Lisbon Treaty Part 12

[Smarty]

Just to bring up the old Lisbon Chestnut again.

The 2nd of april marked the 6th month anniversary of the Irish sheep herd voting Yes.

At the time I was castigated by certain members for advocating a No vote, in fact I think just me and Westie stood firm on the No vote.

Most of the yessers said it would bring Jobs and prosperity to our fair land.

6 months on I am still waiting for the jobs/prosperity.

Rather than sinking into the quagmire that is Brussels bullshit, we should be having a debate should we be saying bye bye to the EU.

Why is all the jobs slipping away to the far east.

Cheap labour costs yes but the EU is becoming an over regulated monster that Employers are finding it harder and harder to comply, so you can't blame them for heading to China, India etc.

Let me give you an example there is a new health and safety law that says anyone working above 6ft has to undergo a "how to use a step ladder course". What a joke, an employer can take his business to China and work someone for 16 hrs and be within the law, our over regulation is just making it harder and harder to create jobs.

The Smarty

[luther]

[Westsidex]

Just to bring up the old Lisbon Chestnut again.

The 2nd of april marked the 6th month anniversary of the Irish sheep herd voting Yes.

At the time I was castigated by certain members for advocating a No vote, in fact I think just me and Westie stood firm on the No vote.

Most of the yessers said it would bring Jobs and prosperity to our fair land.

6 months on I am still waiting for the jobs/prosperity.

Rather than sinking into the quagmire that is Brussels bullshit, we should be having a debate should we be saying bye bye to the EU.

Why is all the jobs slipping away to the far east.

Cheap labour costs yes but the EU is becoming an over regulated monster that Employers are finding it harder and harder to comply, so you can't blame them for heading to China, India etc.

Let me give you an example there is a new health and safety law that says anyone working above 6ft has to undergo a "how to use a step ladder course". What a joke, an employer can take his business to China and work someone for 16 hrs and be within the law, our over regulation is just making it harder and harder to create jobs.

The Smarty

Most of the Irish ppl dont have the balls to say goodbye to the EU just in the same way that they were scared into voting for it. I said it before and i am saying it again. We are an Island with a small population and we are neighbours to the US and UK. We are ina very good geographical location. While we shouldnt turn our backs on EU countries, we certainly dont need to be tied up with them. We are well capable of being prosperous on our own even now with the recession. We have gained nothing from Lisbon but others have.Not us.

Those very same sell out sheep of Ireland probably attended Easter comemorations throughout the country.

Sincerely,
Westside.

[am386]

We have gained nothing from Lisbon but others have.Not us.

Celtic Tiger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The causes of Ireland's growth are the subject of some debate, but credit has been primarily given to ... and crucial EU membership – which provided transfer payments and export access to the Single Market. No, Ireland has gained absolutely nothing from the EU....

[warmcome]

Celtic Tiger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:

The causes of Ireland's growth are the subject of some debate, but credit has been primarily given to ... and crucial EU membership – which provided transfer payments and export access to the Single Market. No, Ireland has gained absolutely nothing from the EU....

how about every decent road/bridge since the 1980s?
how about every inactive farmer's dole?
just for starters (eaten bread is soon forgotten!)

[Smarty]

how about every decent road/bridge since the 1980s?
how about every inactive farmer's dole?
just for starters (eaten bread is soon forgotten!)

My friend i see you have been listening to the propganda machine of Fianna FAIL for too long.

Great they paid for roads in the beginning when Ireland did'nt have an arse in her trousers.

But........ For the last 15 years or so Ireland has been a nett contributor to the EU.
That basically means that we have been paying in more to Brussels that we have been taken out.

Plus we hav'nt a chance at getting any money like we were used to in the early days as countries like Romania and Bulgaria have their begging bowls out.

[Alec Horan]

My friend i see you have been listening to the propganda machine of Fianna FAIL for too long.

Great they paid for roads in the beginning when Ireland did'nt have an arse in her trousers.

But........ For the last 15 years or so Ireland has been a nett contributor to the EU.
That basically means that we have been paying in more to Brussels that we have been taken out.

Plus we hav'nt a chance at getting any money like we were used to in the early days as countries like Romania and Bulgaria have their begging bowls out.

Shhhhhh Smarty - your gonna blow the plan- Get poor again so that we can become a net receiver like in the good/bad old days.

[carlos marvado]

My friend i see you have been listening to the propganda machine of Fianna FAIL for too long.

Great they paid for roads in the beginning when Ireland did'nt have an arse in her trousers.

But........ For the last 15 years or so Ireland has been a nett contributor to the EU.
That basically means that we have been paying in more to Brussels that we have been taken out.

Plus we hav'nt a chance at getting any money like we were used to in the early days as countries like Romania and Bulgaria have their begging bowls out.

We were Romania or Bulgaria back in 1973 and we did a fine job with the begging bowl for the best part of three decades. If Germany, France and the Benelux countries had'nt been prepared to make net transfers to Ireland, we would'nt have the infrastructure that we have today. It was always obvious that as our GNP or GDP rose to above the EU average that we were going to start to be net contributors. At least in the EU, the richer are expected to contribute to the poorer, whereas here, Joe Soap is expected to allow himself to be screwed to bail out wealthy reckless gombeens.

The fact is, if this country had been run from Brussels for the past 15 years, we would'nt be in the mess we are in today. Fianna Fail are nothing more than a bunch of opportunistic parish pump priming self serving gombeens. Where their predecessors failed to destroy the fledgling Free State back in 1922-23 by force of arms, the current crop have succeeded in bankrupting the Republic through sheer ineptitude, incompetence and corruption. It parallels the classical story of the rise and fall of a business dynasty..........the first generation creates the business, the second consolidates it, and the third blows it.

[ber]

Most of the Irish ppl dont have the balls to say goodbye to the EU just in the same way that they were scared into voting for it. I said it before and i am saying it again. We are an Island with a small population and we are neighbours to the US and UK. We are ina very good geographical location. While we shouldnt turn our backs on EU countries, we certainly dont need to be tied up with them. We are well capable of being prosperous on our own even now with the recession. We have gained nothing from Lisbon but others have.Not us.

Those very same sell out sheep of Ireland probably attended Easter comemorations throughout the country.

Sincerely,
Westside.

Instead of being in a good location we are in a terrible location, we are on the periphery of Europe
and the Atlantic is between us and US we have no road access to anywhere (uk has channell tunnel)
we must use the most expensive ways of importing and exporting goods either by air or by sea. The
advantage of countries with road access is huge everthing we import/export must be handled several
times(loaded unloaded) aswell as everything having to travel greater distances. We dont have the option
for instance of exporting fresh produce as the time factor will beat us. The advantage of having a large
market convenient cannot be overstated and as we are really export led economy because our
domestic market is very small it affects us greatly. Transport is a huge added cost to our exports

[carlos marvado]

Just to bring up the old Lisbon Chestnut again.

The 2nd of april marked the 6th month anniversary of the Irish sheep herd voting Yes.

At the time I was castigated by certain members for advocating a No vote, in fact I think just me and Westie stood firm on the No vote.

Most of the yessers said it would bring Jobs and prosperity to our fair land.

6 months on I am still waiting for the jobs/prosperity.

Rather than sinking into the quagmire that is Brussels bullshit, we should be having a debate should we be saying bye bye to the EU.

Why is all the jobs slipping away to the far east.

Cheap labour costs yes but the EU is becoming an over regulated monster that Employers are finding it harder and harder to comply, so you can't blame them for heading to China, India etc.

Let me give you an example there is a new health and safety law that says anyone working above 6ft has to undergo a "how to use a step ladder course". What a joke, an employer can take his business to China and work someone for 16 hrs and be within the law, our over regulation is just making it harder and harder to create jobs.

The Smarty

I don't think that the current job losses have anything to do with the Lisbon treaty or whether we happened to have voted yes or no on it.

As far as the EU being overregulated is concerned, those EU member states that are highly regulated are doing a damned sight better than some of the mediteranean countries and ourselves who were loosely regulated. In general, the Northern European states are better regulated, have better social, health, education services etc, and are less prone to hanging their futures on a speculative peg.

As for jobs being transferred from Ireland to other countries, if you were an executive of a multinational, and wage rates were rising in this country at three or four times the rate of those of our nearest neighbours, you would'nt be too keen to invest here and neither would your shareholders. It's all fine and well claiming that we have a low attractive corporation tax rate here, but if lower transaction, employment and service costs in neighbouring states mean that much greater profits can be generated abroad, then our tax rates are meaningless.

China is not a very good example to use of health and safety regulations............just read up on their recent history of mining disasters.............though the Chinese do have a very distinct advantage over us..........if the brothers and sisters in the CPSU tried the same tact with the comrades over there, they would find that their place of employment would be transferred to Prison Factory No 12 in some exotic location in central China.