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    Just to bring up the old Lisbon Chestnut again.

    The 2nd of april marked the 6th month anniversary of the Irish sheep herd voting Yes.

    At the time I was castigated by certain members for advocating a No vote, in fact I think just me and Westie stood firm on the No vote.

    Most of the yessers said it would bring Jobs and prosperity to our fair land.

    6 months on I am still waiting for the jobs/prosperity.

    Rather than sinking into the quagmire that is Brussels bullshit, we should be having a debate should we be saying bye bye to the EU.

    Why is all the jobs slipping away to the far east.

    Cheap labour costs yes but the EU is becoming an over regulated monster that Employers are finding it harder and harder to comply, so you can't blame them for heading to China, India etc.

    Let me give you an example there is a new health and safety law that says anyone working above 6ft has to undergo a "how to use a step ladder course". What a joke, an employer can take his business to China and work someone for 16 hrs and be within the law, our over regulation is just making it harder and harder to create jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarty View Post
    Just to bring up the old Lisbon Chestnut again.

    The 2nd of april marked the 6th month anniversary of the Irish sheep herd voting Yes.

    At the time I was castigated by certain members for advocating a No vote, in fact I think just me and Westie stood firm on the No vote.

    Most of the yessers said it would bring Jobs and prosperity to our fair land.

    6 months on I am still waiting for the jobs/prosperity.

    Rather than sinking into the quagmire that is Brussels bullshit, we should be having a debate should we be saying bye bye to the EU.

    Why is all the jobs slipping away to the far east.

    Cheap labour costs yes but the EU is becoming an over regulated monster that Employers are finding it harder and harder to comply, so you can't blame them for heading to China, India etc.

    Let me give you an example there is a new health and safety law that says anyone working above 6ft has to undergo a "how to use a step ladder course". What a joke, an employer can take his business to China and work someone for 16 hrs and be within the law, our over regulation is just making it harder and harder to create jobs.

    The Smarty
    Most of the Irish ppl dont have the balls to say goodbye to the EU just in the same way that they were scared into voting for it. I said it before and i am saying it again. We are an Island with a small population and we are neighbours to the US and UK. We are ina very good geographical location. While we shouldnt turn our backs on EU countries, we certainly dont need to be tied up with them. We are well capable of being prosperous on our own even now with the recession. We have gained nothing from Lisbon but others have.Not us.

    Those very same sell out sheep of Ireland probably attended Easter comemorations throughout the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidex View Post
    We have gained nothing from Lisbon but others have.Not us.
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    The causes of Ireland's growth are the subject of some debate, but credit has been primarily given to ... and crucial EU membership – which provided transfer payments and export access to the Single Market. No, Ireland has gained absolutely nothing from the EU....

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    Quote Originally Posted by am386 View Post
    Celtic Tiger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    The causes of Ireland's growth are the subject of some debate, but credit has been primarily given to ... and crucial EU membership – which provided transfer payments and export access to the Single Market. No, Ireland has gained absolutely nothing from the EU....
    how about every decent road/bridge since the 1980s?
    how about every inactive farmer's dole?
    just for starters (eaten bread is soon forgotten!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarty View Post
    Just to bring up the old Lisbon Chestnut again.

    The 2nd of april marked the 6th month anniversary of the Irish sheep herd voting Yes.

    At the time I was castigated by certain members for advocating a No vote, in fact I think just me and Westie stood firm on the No vote.

    Most of the yessers said it would bring Jobs and prosperity to our fair land.

    6 months on I am still waiting for the jobs/prosperity.

    Rather than sinking into the quagmire that is Brussels bullshit, we should be having a debate should we be saying bye bye to the EU.

    Why is all the jobs slipping away to the far east.

    Cheap labour costs yes but the EU is becoming an over regulated monster that Employers are finding it harder and harder to comply, so you can't blame them for heading to China, India etc.

    Let me give you an example there is a new health and safety law that says anyone working above 6ft has to undergo a "how to use a step ladder course". What a joke, an employer can take his business to China and work someone for 16 hrs and be within the law, our over regulation is just making it harder and harder to create jobs.

    The Smarty
    I don't think that the current job losses have anything to do with the Lisbon treaty or whether we happened to have voted yes or no on it.

    As far as the EU being overregulated is concerned, those EU member states that are highly regulated are doing a damned sight better than some of the mediteranean countries and ourselves who were loosely regulated. In general, the Northern European states are better regulated, have better social, health, education services etc, and are less prone to hanging their futures on a speculative peg.

    As for jobs being transferred from Ireland to other countries, if you were an executive of a multinational, and wage rates were rising in this country at three or four times the rate of those of our nearest neighbours, you would'nt be too keen to invest here and neither would your shareholders. It's all fine and well claiming that we have a low attractive corporation tax rate here, but if lower transaction, employment and service costs in neighbouring states mean that much greater profits can be generated abroad, then our tax rates are meaningless.

    China is not a very good example to use of health and safety regulations............just read up on their recent history of mining disasters.............though the Chinese do have a very distinct advantage over us..........if the brothers and sisters in the CPSU tried the same tact with the comrades over there, they would find that their place of employment would be transferred to Prison Factory No 12 in some exotic location in central China.

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    The government needed a yes vote and knew that if they played on the weaknesses of the day they would get what they wanted.
    Now that they have it do you think for one second they're going to allow the Irish people to possibly vote it out?
    No chance.
    The Irish were pressurised into voting yes by others who didn't have the balls to put it to their own people, such as the French.
    I think we're going to see another raft of company closures as we wont come out of the big R quickly enough.
    Depressing or what.
    I'm off to look at some porn and try to cheer myself up now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carlos marvado View Post
    I don't think that the current job losses have anything to do with the Lisbon treaty or whether we happened to have voted yes or no on it.
    Thats true but our recovery will. The more we give away the less we can play with. We were told that we needed to vote YES for economic recovery. I have to ask the obvious, where is the recovery?

    that says it all,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mymisters View Post
    The government needed a yes vote and knew that if they played on the weaknesses of the day they would get what they wanted.
    Now that they have it do you think for one second they're going to allow the Irish people to possibly vote it out?
    No chance.
    The Irish were pressurised into voting yes by others who didn't have the balls to put it to their own people, such as the French.
    I think we're going to see another raft of company closures as we wont come out of the big R quickly enough.
    Depressing or what.
    I'm off to look at some porn and try to cheer myself up now!
    The gov wanted a YES vote because its another stepping stone to a single EU parliament and a world goverment. From here their little club can get wealthier and wealthier. Politics is no longer about democracy (assuming it ever was) its a business plaon and simple.

    The most ruthless business of all,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Westsidex View Post
    Most of the Irish ppl dont have the balls to say goodbye to the EU just in the same way that they were scared into voting for it. I said it before and i am saying it again. We are an Island with a small population and we are neighbours to the US and UK. We are ina very good geographical location. While we shouldnt turn our backs on EU countries, we certainly dont need to be tied up with them. We are well capable of being prosperous on our own even now with the recession. We have gained nothing from Lisbon but others have.Not us.

    Those very same sell out sheep of Ireland probably attended Easter comemorations throughout the country.

    Sincerely,
    Westside.
    Instead of being in a good location we are in a terrible location, we are on the periphery of Europe
    and the Atlantic is between us and US we have no road access to anywhere (uk has channell tunnel)
    we must use the most expensive ways of importing and exporting goods either by air or by sea. The
    advantage of countries with road access is huge everthing we import/export must be handled several
    times(loaded unloaded) aswell as everything having to travel greater distances. We dont have the option
    for instance of exporting fresh produce as the time factor will beat us. The advantage of having a large
    market convenient cannot be overstated and as we are really export led economy because our
    domestic market is very small it affects us greatly. Transport is a huge added cost to our exports
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