Education

[BootSlick55]

E-I Survey:

"This survey has shown that the average Irish punter is... highly educated"

74% of punters are college-educated according to the survey. Yet the general level of eruditon, grammar and punctuation of the posts on this forum ranges from sub-standard at best to lamentable.

So, with the recent furore in the press over supposed grade inflation in 3rd level (it was reported that out of 1,000+ CVs sent to Dell, not one was error-free)... is the Irish education system failing badly? And, will this impact on the recovery potential of the Irish economy?

Or, is the survey inaccurate? (Maybe people were too stupid/illiterate to comprehend which button to press)

I wouldn't expect any of us to be perfect in this regard, but at least the basics of grammar etc. should be present in reasonably educated people.

Should the birch and buggery be re-introduced to primary/secondary school?

[pigsmickey]

Perhaps a lot of these CVs are from non English speakers, but prob highly qualified in their field....


As for this...
Should the birch and buggery be re-introduced to primary/secondary school?

Thats a hole diffferent story!!!

[whiteknight111]

Theres a big diiferenace between the way I wroye on this forum
and the way I wriet for work/business love letters emails etc.

In a busniess email I would use spell and gramnmar checker and double check what I wrote
when i post here i just type very fast and click post.
It because thre is no consequnce what so ever excpet loss time and it shows a level of contempt for the forum
U maybe confuss normal comms with comms here comprendeo
Anyway spelling and grammer are largley obslete thakas to word processor what matters now is maths amd scinece skill

[ber]

E-I Survey:

"This survey has shown that the average Irish punter is... highly educated"

74% of punters are college-educated according to the survey. Yet the general level of eruditon, grammar and punctuation of the posts on this forum ranges from sub-standard at best to lamentable.

So, with the recent furore in the press over supposed grade inflation in 3rd level (it was reported that out of 1,000+ CVs sent to Dell, not one was error-free)... is the Irish education system failing badly? And, will this impact on the recovery potential of the Irish economy?

Or, is the survey inaccurate? (Maybe people were too stupid/illiterate to comprehend which button to press)

I wouldn't expect any of us to be perfect in this regard, but at least the basics of grammar etc. should be present in reasonably educated people.

Should the birch and buggery be re-introduced to primary/secondary school?

I Think in the main technology is responsible and alot of it is carlesness more than anything else,computers (spell check etc) are being left take the
responsibility and txting the bain of any language, get into a bad habit not easy get out of it. The very same applies to figures , calculators have
ruined our ability to do simple arithemitic, previous generations working in say retail could add lists of figures in a flash, but nowdays with fancy tills they would be hard pushed to add together 4 or 5 numbers. All this is the price of progress i guess

[whiteknight111]

I Think in the main technology is responsible and alot of it is carlesness more than anything else,computers (spell check etc) are being left take the
responsibility and txting the bain of any language, get into a bad habit not easy get out of it. The very same applies to figures , calculators have
ruined our ability to do simple arithemitic, previous generations working in say retail could add lists of figures in a flash, but nowdays with fancy tills they would be hard pushed to add together 4 or 5 numbers. All this is the price of progress i guess

We have also lost the ablity to hunt boar with spears, light fire with stone flint and troat tickling
not to mention when was the last time you made a Bow From a Sapling or A Horsetail Pan Flute.

Don't worry within the next generation Machines will become self-aware and then proceed to wipe us out
;

[pigsmickey]

light fire with stone flint and troat tickling
Here is an eg. of the prob. I know that u meant to type trout tickeling but some might think its throat tickling.... from the inside too

[Mousey]

Bad grammar and punctuation really pisses me off. But I am a polite chap, so I hold back. Oh God, how I hold back.

[ber]

I suppose another thing to be taken into account here is that Education and Intelligence are but distant relations

[whiteknight111]

light fire with stone flint and troat tickling
Here is an eg. of the prob. I know that u meant to type trout tickeling but some might think its throat tickling.... from the inside too

Trout tickling is the art of rubbing the underbelly of a trout using fingers.[1] If done properly, the trout will go into a trance-like state after a minute or so, and can then easily be thrown onto the nearest bit of dry land.[2] The technique was a common practice used by boys, poachers and working men in times of economic stress, particularly during the 1930s depression-era.[3][4] Poachers using the method required no nets, rods or lines or any other incriminating equipment if apprehended by the police or gamekeepers.

Thomas Martindale's 1901 book, Sport, Indeed, describes the method used on trout in the River Wear in Northumberland:
“

The fish are watched working their way up the shallows and rapids. When they come to the shelter of a ledge or a rock it is their nature to slide under it and rest. The poacher sees the edge of a fin or the moving tail, or maybe he sees neither; instinct, however, tells him a fish ought to be there, so he takes the water very slowly and carefully and stands up near the spot. He then kneels on one knee and passes his hand, turned with fingers up, deftly under the rock until it comes in contact with the fish's tail. Then he begins tickling with his forefinger, gradually running his hand along the fish's belly further and further toward the head until it is under the gills. Then comes a quick grasp, a struggle, and the prize is wrenched out of his natural element, stunned with a blow on the head, and landed in the pocket of the poacher.
”

In Scotland the technique is more often called "guddling" or sometimes "ginniling". The practice is currently illegal under most circumstances in Britain. A related method of catching catfish by hand is called noodling in the U.S.A.
[edit] In history and fiction

Trout tickling has an ancient history. The Greek writer Oppian writing in his Halieutica, the greatest work of antiquity on angling, refers to catching trout by hand in the following lines:
“ The fish in careless ease supinely laid,
The grappling fingers of the swain invade.
Up from the deep he springs and bids the prey
Recant his error in aerial day. ”

Aelian, a Greek writer of about 230 A.D., writes in his De Natura Animalium (as published in England in 1565): "If men wade into the sea, when the water is low, end stroking the fish nestling in the pools, suddenly lay hands upon and secure them." While in Francis Beaumont and John Fletcher's Rule a Wife and Have a Wife, a ribald comedy dating from 1624, Estifania remarks "Were comes a trout that I must tickle, and tickle daintily"

The technique is also mentioned in several of Shakespeare's plays: in Twelfth Night, the servant Maria refers to the approach of the hated Malvolio, head of Olivia's household, with the words "for here comes the trout that must be caught with tickling" (Act 2, Scene 5). Maria and others are conspiring to trap Malvolio into acting foolishly by forging a love letter from Olivia.

Trout tickling is also mentioned in later works: Mark Twain wrote about catching catfish in a similar manner while mentioning that salmon and certain other species can also be lured and caught in this way. It is also described as a poaching method in Roald Dahl's classic novel Danny, the Champion of the World, in Linda Buckley-Archer's science fiction novel Gideon the Cutpurse, and in the video game Theme Hospital as a hobby of many of the staff for hire.

[Reggie]

Bad grammar and punctuation really pisses me off. But I am a polite chap, so I hold back. Oh God, how I hold back.

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Au contraire Mousey , you were very outspoken on said topic in the short past ,
albeit under a differing pseudonym.