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    Quote Originally Posted by WTAT View Post
    Woah there Neddy!
    Jesus killed a child? That's a new one on me and I've lapped up all those bullshit dead sea scrolls, holy Grail books .
    Where did u hear that?
    Some say according to the Infancy Gospel of Thomas..................

    Have a look at the 3rd last paragraph of this........

    MORMON 007 DO THE NAG HAMMADI WRITING AND DEAD SEA SCROLLS CONFIRM MORMONISM or IS EINAR E

    Here's a bit of light reading for you.........

    The Gospel of Infancy Thomas


    as translated by Harold Attridge & Ronald F. Hock in the book
    The Complete Gospels, Harper Collins, ©1992

    Boyhood deeds of our Lord Jesus Christ

    1 I, Thomas the Israelite, am reporting to you, all my non-Jewish brothers and sisters, to make known the extraordinary childhood deeds of our Lord Jesus Christ - what he did after his birth in my region. This is how it all started:

    2 When this boy, Jesus, was five years old, he was playing at the ford of a rushing stream. (2) He was collecting the flowing water into ponds and made the water instantly pure. He did this with a single command. (3) He then made soft clay and shaped it into twelve sparrows. He did this on the sabbath day, and many other boys were playing with him.
    (4)But when a Jew saw what Jesus was doing while playing on the sabbath day, he immediately went off and told Joseph, Jesus' father: "See here, your boy is at the ford and has taken mud and fashioned twelve birds with it, and so has violated the sabbath."
    (5)So Joseph went there, and as soon as he spotted him he shouted, "Why are you doing what's not permitted on the sabbath?"
    (6)But Jesus simply clapped his hands and shouted to the sparrows: "Be off, fly away, and remembe' me, you who are now alive!" And the sparrows took off and flew away noisily.
    (7)The Jews watched with amazement, then left the scene to report to their leaders what they had seen Jesus doing.

    3 The son of Annas the scholar, standing there with Jesus, took a willow branch and drained the water Jesus had collected. (2)Jesus, however, saw what had happened and became angry, saying to him, "Damn you, you irreverent fool! What harm did the ponds of water do to you? From this moment you, too, will dry up like a tree, and you'll never produce leaves or root or bear fruit."
    (3) In an instant the boy had completely withered away. Then Jesus departed and left for the house of Joseph. (4)The parents of the boy who had withered away picked him up and were carrying him out, sad because he was so young. And they came to Joseph and accused him: "It's your fault - your boy did this."

    4 Later he was going through the village again when a boy ran and bumped him on the shoulder. Jesus got angry and said to him, "You won't continue your journey." (2)And all of a sudden, he fell down and died.
    (3)Some people saw what had happened and said, "Where has this boy come from? Everything he says happens instantly!"
    (4)The parents of the dead boy came to Joseph and blamed him saying, "Because you have such a boy, you can't live with us in the village, or else teach him to bless and not curse. He's killing our children!"

    5 So Joseph summoned his child and admonished him in private, saying, "Why are you doing all this? These people are suffering and so they hate and harass us." (2)Jesus said, "I know that these are not your words, still, I'll keep quiet for your sake. But those people must take their punishment." There and then his accusers became blind.
    (3)Those who saw this became very fearful and at a loss. All they could say was, "Every word he says, whether good or bad, has became a deed - a miracle even!" (4)When Joseph saw that Jesus had done such a thing, he got angry and grabbed his ear and pulled very hard. (5)The bot became infuriated with him and replied, "It's one thing for you to seek and not find; it's quite another for you to act this unwisely. (6)Don't you know that I don't really belong to you? Don't make me upset."

    6 A teacher by the name of Zacchaeus was listening to everything Jesus was saying to Joseph, and was astonished, saying to himself, "He is just a child, and saying this!" (2)And so he summoned Joseph and said to him, "You have a bright child, and he has a good mind. Hand him over to me so he can learn his letters. I'll teach him everything he needs to know so as not to be unruly."
    (3)Joseph replied, "No one is able to rule this child except God alone. Don't consider him to be a small cross, brother."
    (4)When Jesus heard Joseph saying this he laughed and said to Zacchaeus, "Believe me, teacher, what my father told you is true. (5)I am the Lord of these people and I'm present with you and have been born among you and am with you. (6)I know where you've come from and how many years you'll live. I swear to you, teacher, I existed when you were born. If you wish to be a perfect teacher, listen to me and I'll teach you a wisdom that no one else knows except for me and the one who sent me to you. (7)It's you who happens to be my student, and I know how old you are and how long you have to live. (8)When you see the cross that my father mentioned, then you'll believe that everything I've told you is true."
    (9)The Jews who were standing by and heard Jesus marveled and said, "How strange and paradoxical! This child is barely five years old and yet he says such things. In fact, we've never heard anyone say the kind of thing this child does."
    (10)Jesus said to them in reply, "Are you really so amazed? Rather, consider what I've said to you. The truth is that I also know when you were born, and your parents, and I announce this paradox to you: when the world was created, I existed along with the one who sent me to you."
    (11)The Jews, once they heard that the child was speaking like this, became angry but were unable to say anything in reply. (12)But the child skipped forward and said to them, "I've made fun of you because I know that your tiny minds marvel at trifles."
    (13)When, therefore, they thought that they were being comforted by the child's exhortation, the teacher said to Joseph, "Bring him to the classroom and I'll teach him the alphabet."
    (14)Joseph took him by the hand and led him to the classroom. (15)The teacher wrote the alphabet for him and began the instruction by repeating the letter alpha many times. But the child was quiet and did not answer him for a long time. (16)No wonder, then, that the teacher got angry and struck him on the head. The child took the blow calmly and replied to him, "I'm teaching you rather than you're teaching me, and your condemnation is great. To you these letters are like a bronze pitcher or a clashing cymbal, which can't produce glory or wisdom because it's all just noise. (17)Nor does anyone understand the extent of my wisdom." (18)When he got over being angry he recited the letters from alpha to omega very quickly.
    (19)Then he looked at the teacher and told him, "Since you don't know the real nature of the letter alpha, how are you going to teach the letter beta? (20)You impostor, if you know, teach me first the letter alpha and then I'll trust you with the letter beta." (21)He began to quiz the teacher about the first letter, but he was unable to say anything.
    (22)Then while many were listening, he said to Zacchaeus, "Listen, teacher, and observe the arrangement of the first letter: (23)How it has two straight lines or strokes proceeding to a point in the middle, gathered together, elevated, dancing, three-cornered, two-cornered, not antagonistic, of the same family, providing the alpha has lines of equal measure."

    Etc etc etc..............
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    The Gospel of Thomas is part of the Apocrypha - that is, a book that is not included in the Bible. When the monk Athanasius (in 348, if I remember correctly) was choosing what books to include in the Bible, he picked the ones we have today and left others out. There's no definite guarantee that any of the Evangelists actually were the ones writing down their own Gospels (although I think they say that Matthew is probably the most reliable account), and there's no guarantee that the Apocryphal Gospels of Thomas, Judas Iscariot, Anonymouse or anyone else are wholly authentic

    The veil of history was drawn over what really happened in the Holy Land 2,000 years ago. That's why believers run on faith.

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    Default Well said Mousey

    The Motto of the Catholic Church is
    fides quarem Intellectm- faith seeking understanding

    No proof just faith
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    Default Well done Doozer.......

    You've just answered all your own questions with one word.............

    Faith............
    "It's far easier to fight for principles than to live up to them."
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    True but still wanted the tread to go on that bit longer
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    OFF TOPIC AS USUAL.........

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    [QUOTE=_GOD_;178973]My dear child- The reason for this is that by the time of the flood most dinosaurs had become extinct and any that survived evolved into birds
    evolved into birds--quite a metamorphis

    and god any opinion on darwins theory of evolution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by _GOD_ View Post
    My dear child- The reason for this is that by the time of the flood most dinosaurs had become extinct and any that survived evolved into birds.
    Whenever I see somebody of a "religious persuasion" starting a sentence with "My dear child" I get a little concerned!

    You, my bro, have a lot to answer for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _GOD_ View Post
    My dear child- The reason for this is that by the time of the flood most dinosaurs had become extinct and any that survived evolved into birds.
    all the dinosaurs had long long long gone by the time the ark was being built .dont you remember ------dòh

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