Sex assault incident in Kerry....

[nicegirlsarenice]

Sex assault victim asks locals not to judge her - The Irish Times - Mon, Dec 21, 2009

I think this girl/woman is milking it for all it's worth. Does there not seem anything odd to you about this...

I think she led him on, he was probably drunk out of his head and now she's playing the victim. Real victims don't say things like what's she's saying. They're not all dramatic like she is being, and they really hate the people who committed the act against them. They don't ask the locals "please don't judge me"... they get on with their lives.

"She added that Foley had effectively got five years for sexually assaulting her, but that she had to live with that for life." ==> what a dramaqueen. She's playing to the media, parroting away what she heard she's supposed to feel like. People like her disgust me.

It was only a single incident. She wasn't raped. I know it's a very serious thing, but she doesn't have to live with it for the rest of her life. She'll forget about it.

He got five years in prison for that? I think it's ridiculous. I blame the media and the unnatural way we're brought up. It's all messed up. People are so extremely sexually repressed that they don't understand how to deal with things like this. The judge probably thinks he's such a valiant knight putting 'scum of the earth' away while the girl thinks she's a courageous woman. And worst of all, people are unable to think for themselves.

Well that's all I have to say on it. But before you come in on your high horse, just think that some day you too might be the real victim, the person noone believes because it's not "the cool thing to do nowadays". And spare a thought of that poor man sitting inside in jail tonight because of something that he did on the spur of a moment.

[Doozer]

Sex assault victim asks locals not to judge her - The Irish Times - Mon, Dec 21, 2009

I think this girl/woman is milking it for all it's worth. Does there not seem anything odd to you about this...

I think she led him on, he was probably drunk out of his head and now she's playing the victim. Real victims don't say things like what's she's saying. They're not all dramatic like she is being, and they really hate the people who committed the act against them. They don't ask the locals "please don't judge me"... they get on with their lives.

"She added that Foley had effectively got five years for sexually assaulting her, but that she had to live with that for life." ==> what a dramaqueen. She's playing to the media, parroting away what she heard she's supposed to feel like. People like her disgust me.

It was only a single incident. She wasn't raped. I know it's a very serious thing, but she doesn't have to live with it for the rest of her life. She'll forget about it.

He got five years in prison for that? I think it's ridiculous. I blame the media and the unnatural way we're brought up. It's all messed up. People are so extremely sexually repressed that they don't understand how to deal with things like this. The judge probably thinks he's such a valiant knight putting 'scum of the earth' away while the girl thinks she's a courageous woman. And worst of all, people are unable to think for themselves.

Well that's all I have to say on it. But before you come in on your high horse, just think that some day you too might be the real victim, the person noone believes because it's not "the cool thing to do nowadays". And spare a thought of that poor man sitting inside in jail tonight because of something that he did on the spur of a moment.

Ah come on now Nicegirls, getting raped or being sexualy assaulted does damage you psychologicaly. I dont think she will foreget about it. She may in fact never be able to trust men again or feel comfortable alone with men for the rest of her life. Since when does rape have to happen on more than one occasion for you to classify it as rape?

Now you are right about the laws having to be at at least tweaked a bit. The law does come to favour the womans side and conderms the man for any unwanted advances towards a woman. That does seem fair enough in principle, but the reality can be different to the theory. For example if a woman is scorened and wants to get revenge she could always play the rape card and the man could go down for it. Or both parties could be intoxicated and the woman in theory could say that she doesnt remember giving consent or totaly denies consent and it is up to the man to prove his innocence on the accusation of rape

[nicegirlsarenice]

On second thoughts maybe my original post was a bit inflammatory and biased. I would redo that post if I could, but at the same time I think there is something very strange about the case. I think that if it's shown that he did sexually assault her, like if there was some sort of witness involved, that he should be put away for a long time, maybe not 5 years though as that still sounds a bit much for me if she partially consented herself.

The point is that we don't know what happened. She said she felt sick and because of this the judge said: “No reasonable man could believe a girl or woman in a condition like this could reasonably consent to a sexual encounter of any kind,” he said.

I ask you, and not saying whether he did the offence or not but, is that statement taken on its own not a load of crap? Women can and do consent to sexual activity before and after getting drunk and feeling sick all the time. I certainly hope there was more "evidence" than that!!!

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Ah come on now Nicegirls, getting raped or being sexualy assaulted does damage you psychologicaly. I dont think she will foreget about it. She may in fact never be able to trust men again or feel comfortable alone with men for the rest of her life. Since when does rape have to happen on more than one occasion for you to classify it as rape?

He didn't rape anyone, rape was never used, not even attempted rape. It was "sexual assault". Calling it rape is slander... rape is much worse. And lots of things damage you psychologically, people get on with it.

The girl is not playing a victim she is a victim she was sexually assaulted and left half naked, semi consious with bruises all over her body.

Her skin might have got scraped as she fell over herself. Semi-conscious? Obviously because she was drunk!! Don't say "bruises all over" if you're not sure how many there were.

I do agree that the media ran with this, but the "poor man" as you call was instrumental in this whereby over 50 of his "supporters" filed passed him in court after his sentencing and shook hands with him and hugged him and wished him luck, this in full view of the girl in this case.

Yeah and they had his full version of the story, we don't. Usually when people do something like that there's a reason for it.

You say that this girl is milking it for all it is worth ! worth what ? this is not Hollywood, she is gaining nothing.

"victims" on rare occasions get it into their heads sometimes and run with it. It might be only 1 in 1000 people that does it or has the mentality to do it, but some people get the victim mentality into their heads and love that feeling. If you look at what she's saying, to me it sounds dramatic. I personally just don't go for it, but that's just my opinion.

I've had some experience with something that's in some ways similar to it. I strongly believe that some people who pretend they're "victims", 1/1000, like the whole process of it. They like going to the police station, making out the report, they like the feeling of having been "violated" and having to be the courageous person getting on with their lives in spite of it all. They feel it gives them a 1-up in society. Again it's just a very, very rare type of already psychologically unstable person but it can happen. They like the attention. They like that whatever they do or feel is right. They are bored, so they love the drama of it. You mentioned Hollywood... well for them it turns into Hollywood. Even if she doesn't admit it to herself. I'm telling you because it's the truth, either that or she was so brainwashed by the media. And I have had experience with something not where I did anything wrong, but with a girl acting like such a victim before.

but that does not excuse what happened.

Okay fine, I'll u-turn on my sympathy for him being drunk. But if that's the case, then you can't have too much sympathy for her being drunk either.

Man ur some piece of work, with ur f..... up view on what happened in Kerry,
if the same thing happened to your sister/mother, u wouldn't be talking the shite,
the POOR MAN in jail carried a drunk lady behind a skip, undressed her, DENIED IT,
until cctv proved otherwise and u think it's ok, go back to ur cave !!!!!!

The CCTV evidence offered wasn't much or it would be all over the headlines of the case. The CCTV evidence certainly didn't prove her dragged her behind the skip and forcibly undressed her like you're saying it did.

sexual assault is the silent crime in society too much is unreported the cowardly scumbags who commit this use all kinds of excuses to get lenient sentences it ruins a woman of the gift of life it destroys her whole self
nicegirlsarenice you have a lot to learn buddy.....

But at the same time we can't use one guy as a scapegoat where they were both drunk and there was no evidence. It's wrong. You have to have decent evidence to convict someone.

Of course I sympathise entirely with the complainant if she really was sexually assaulted and knew what was happening all the time. But what about how she's talking about bringing another legal case against the people who showed up to shake his hand???

Surely be to god if they were legally allowed to be there in court at that time, that they are entitled to shake his hand if they want??? You can't use every single thing against him, maybe he had good reason to be there??? What if he was hated in the community and nobody would stand up for him, nobody would give him a character reference, would you say that proves that he was a bad guy as well? I think character references are kind of unfair as well, it's the evidence that should be looked at.

If the alleged "victim" is upset then that's something she's feeling inside herself. I don't think you should be able to say "you're upsetting me" and then that be used in evidence against someone. No, you have to deal with the facts, to deal with what actually happened. That's why I'm always against the idea of "victim impact statements", but it's just my opinion on the matter.

[Drake Ramora]

Your man was a typical small town hard man..

Know a couple of his friends through Facebook and take it from me he got what he deserved..

[Doozer]

He didn't rape anyone, rape was never used, not even attempted rape. It was "sexual assault". Calling it rape is slander... rape is much worse. And lots of things damage you psychologically, people get on with it.

If you actually reasd my post youll find I saud rape or sexual assualt. I wasnt claiming she was raped, I was saying that both damage you psychologically. its true lots of things damage you psychologicaly. This isnt some minor incedent that you can dust yourself off afterwards and get on with it. After going through an expeirence like that some peopel suffer from mental truama and can develop phobias and loose trust in people .

[nicegirlsarenice]

Well I don't mean to sound like the bad guy here, but maybe they should lose trust in people. Maybe they had too must trust in people to begin with. Suppose something happened to me and I lost trust in people. Then it would be my decision not to trust people over it and I would in theory do better from not trusting them.

Yes it was a horrible and terrible thing for him to have done, if in fact he did do it and it wasn't consensual, and he should be put away for a long time. If he's known for this type of behaviour and he did deserve it... then yes he does deserve the sentence.

Also escorts get actually sexually/physically assaulted regularly and people are rarely prosecuted.

[luther]

I'm not going to bother picking you up on every stupid comment or remark you're made here. There are far to many..........

But one thing I will say, you have referred in your previous posts to "alleged victims" and "people who pretend they are victims".......etc etc..........

And also saying "if in fact he did do it".............

As it stands, he has been found guilty in a court of law in this country, and has been sentenced for this crime, so there is no alleged victims in this case, it has been shown that he did in fact do it..........

Unless you have information, or evidence to the contrary...........

In which case, I suggest you make this known to the authorities............

Unless you consider yourself a higher power than the judicial establishment in this country..........

[Mousey]

"victims" on rare occasions get it into their heads sometimes and run with it. It might be only 1 in 1000 people that does it or has the mentality to do it, but some people get the victim mentality into their heads and love that feeling.

God help me, but I actually agree with that particualr statement. You see it all the time regarding knackers and minorities etc. I think the mistake nicegirls made was directly associating this behaviour with this particular victim - nicegirls, you would have been far better making this point as a general topic for a debate. There doesn't seem to be a doubt in anyone's mind that this poor woman was indeed a victim of a sexual assault.

[Lou Cefer]

I think you are a fool.

The girl is not playing a victim she is a victim she was sexually assaulted and left half naked, semi consious with bruises all over her body.

The guy is a danger to women.

Stop blaming the victim.

[Milfminx]

Sex assault victim asks locals not to judge her - The Irish Times - Mon, Dec 21, 2009

I think this girl/woman is milking it for all it's worth. Does there not seem anything odd to you about this...

I think she led him on, he was probably drunk out of his head and now she's playing the victim. Real victims don't say things like what's she's saying. They're not all dramatic like she is being, and they really hate the people who committed the act against them. They don't ask the locals "please don't judge me"... they get on with their lives.

"She added that Foley had effectively got five years for sexually assaulting her, but that she had to live with that for life." ==> what a dramaqueen. She's playing to the media, parroting away what she heard she's supposed to feel like. People like her disgust me.

It was only a single incident. She wasn't raped. I know it's a very serious thing, but she doesn't have to live with it for the rest of her life. She'll forget about it.

He got five years in prison for that? I think it's ridiculous. I blame the media and the unnatural way we're brought up. It's all messed up. People are so extremely sexually repressed that they don't understand how to deal with things like this. The judge probably thinks he's such a valiant knight putting 'scum of the earth' away while the girl thinks she's a courageous woman. And worst of all, people are unable to think for themselves.

Well that's all I have to say on it. But before you come in on your high horse, just think that some day you too might be the real victim, the person noone believes because it's not "the cool thing to do nowadays". And spare a thought of that poor man sitting inside in jail tonight because of something that he did on the spur of a moment.

I am not charging in on my high horse but I am struggling to understand your post and the one sided view you have of this case, "It was only a single incident, she was not raped" ?? , does that make it ok ?
You say that this girl is milking it for all it is worth ! worth what ? this is not Hollywood, she is gaining nothing.

I do agree that the media ran with this, but the "poor man" as you call was instrumental in this whereby over 50 of his "supporters" filed passed him in court after his sentencing and shook hands with him and hugged him and wished him luck, this in full view of the girl in this case.

While I would not give any credence to a priest giving him a character reference , this "poor man" obviously thought it would help, but that backfired on him big time.

You say that this girl led him on and that he was drunk and this was on the spur of the moment, I would suggest that you read more details of this case , the spur of the moment actually started much earlier in the night when they met ............. of course alcohol was involved , but that does not excuse what happened.

If this man is such a wonderful son/brother/fiancee , why was he not celebrating his birthday with his fiancee and friends instead of alone and drunk .

I do really hope niccegirlsarenice that nothing like this ever visits your door, or to any female relative or friend of yours , but then if it is only a single incident and not rape , then it will be okay