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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewie View Post
    Because they are prepared to work for a lot less than Irish people. If you come here and share a house with 6 to 8 people your rent even in Dublin can be as low as €25/35 a week not a long term thing but if you are willing to put up with it for a few years work your arse off you can go home with a nice nest egg to buy a house start a business. You will be working for probably less than minimum wage no over time rates no benefits.
    Irish people can't and shouldn't have to work like that these people are being exploited.

    As for your fear of the unions I disagree I think the unions are voicing reasonable opposition to government policies that will throw this country into a deeper recession. Cutting wages across the board is not the solution reform of the public service including redundancies where necessary would be my choice. Just taking money from public servants will only mean that there is less money all round at the end of the day Public servants spend their wages in private enterprises.

    People are spinning public service pay using averages to justify wage cuts anyone who has even a passing knowledge of statistics knows averages mean fuck all. For example a hospital consultant with 7 nurses each nurse earns €40,000 and the consultant earns €250000 thats €530,000 between them at an average of €66,250 it completely distorts the figures. A 10% pay cut across the board will save 53,000 but will make a huge dent in 40,000 but still leave the consultant on €225,000

    Wage cuts for high earners but anyone below 50,000 should be left alone.

    The big problem is the Euro people are afraid to say it and the pro Euro lobby will do anything but admit it the Euro is valued far to high for what Ireland needs and the Euro low interest rates are what got us into this mess in the first place. We have lost control of our currency and the basic tools any government would use to control the economy. So we are in being forced to cut wages to lower costs compared to our neighbours were as the UK for example has allowed Sterling to devalue.

    Trace the causes of this crisis and they stem from us joining the Euro and loosing control over our interest rates the government had no tools to try and slow the property boom and tried to use stamp duty as an economic tool to slow the property boom but instead made the economy dependent on property taxes that have now disappeared.

    All the gobshites that voted for the Maastricht Treaty back in 1992 and ignored the warnings about getting rid of our own currency are who I blame.

    Of course theses people will tell you we would be screwed without the Euro we would have gone the way of Iceland but the truth is we would never have ended up here if it was not for the Euro.
    Explain how the Euro has impacted on the property bubble please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blankmannn View Post
    Explain how the Euro has impacted on the property bubble please?
    We had no control over our interest rates when we should have been highering them to make borrowing more expensive the ECB was actually lowering them to try and kick start the French and German economies.
    This fueled property prices and also made cheap money available to our banks who threw it around like snuff at a wake.
    The other side effect is that the government tried to use stamp duty as an alternative to interest rates Bertie Ahern has confirmed this himself. What they actually did was make people borrow more cheap money to pay stamp duty and made the nation dependent on a once off tax which has now disappeared leaving us with a €20 billion hole in our income.
    Its the Crips and the Bloods all over again

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post
    Don't worry, the clouds are lifting. Or so the European Commission says.

    RTÉ News: Recession ending in Europe - EC
    which is complete bollox. There's probably a programme of Government to talk ourselves OUT of recession. So, while you're being evicted from you're home or carted off by the Guards cause the sheriff didn't get his tax bill paid, because you haven't the money to pay it, but he doesn't give a shit, .... SMILE during all this, think happy thoughts and act like YES, things are finally picking up.

    My arse!

    Anyone in their right mind would go on the dole. Entrepreneurism is dead in this country. You are rejected for TRYING to make something of yourself. The Roma Gypsies have this figured down to a T. DO NOTHING and BENEFIT from it!

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    BOI are now looking for more money from the gov to cover their losses.Fuck the ppls loses as long as banks are covered.

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    Exactly. Now they are going to cut the socail welfare and the health budgets even more
    but itsa all ok as long as the banks get bailed out. Ridiculous
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    Quote Originally Posted by doozer121 View Post
    Exactly. Now they are going to cut the socail welfare and the health budgets even more
    but itsa all ok as long as the banks get bailed out. Ridiculous
    they get away with anything now.They will cut everything by 5 -10 %.Everything and bring in other charges slowly.What they dont realise is they are discouraging ppl from working.It literally wont be worth ppls whiles going to work soon.

    They dont get it,
    Westside.

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    Unfortunately, this country cannot afford to allow one of the main banks to go bust as it would shatter our rating with foreign companies who we rely on so much for employment.
    The real problem was the banks weren't regulated as they should have been when things were 'good'. It suited Bertie Ahern and his Government to have credit flowing freely, but it was recklessness on the last Governments part to allow it happen. Now we can see it flowed too freely resulting in astronomical prices being paid for houses for instance. And in an effort to convince people that they could still afford these astronomical prices, 35 and 40 year mortgages became the norm, quite simply because if they were any less, the monthly payments would be too high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarty View Post
    This problem has been trashed out here before.
    Did you mean "thrashed"?

    No, after reading more of the thread, perhaps you really did mean "trashed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gordo View Post
    Did you mean "thrashed"?

    No, after reading more of the thread, perhaps you really did mean "trashed".
    Apologies El Gordo spell checker is acting up.

    Nice to see the only comment you have on this important subject is a spelling mistake

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    People are spinning public service pay using averages to justify wage cuts anyone who has even a passing knowledge of statistics knows averages mean fuck all. For example a hospital consultant with 7 nurses each nurse earns €40,000 and the consultant earns €250000 thats €530,000 between them at an average of €66,250 it completely distorts the figures. A 10% pay cut across the board will save 53,000 but will make a huge dent in 40,000 but still leave the consultant on €225,000


    What Nurses earn €40,000!!! - with pension & taxes that would cost the taxpayer at least €50,000 and that means it take about 3 people in the private sector on the average industrial wage to support that one Nurse. Don't get me started on Consultants or wosre TD's...... This country has lost the run of itself and become a joke!!!

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