Another stupid article in Irish examiner

[celticden]

u never seen so big gap? My brother when he got married his wife was 19 and he was 32. My cousin she is 21 and her bf is 34 . My best friend when she was 20 her bf was 34.. my grandmother was 17 when she married my grandfather who was 35 ... and so on... maybe u didnt met couples with age difference but i did. Country is not related in any way. Preference for older men have nothing to do with escort job and with any job. Some girls at 20 will go for their own age but not all of them ... people have different taste for older or younger.. not everybody ant someone same age plus is known girls get mature earlier then boys. A girl at 20 yo will find a guy 20 yo very imature and will be attracted to someone older ..a real man.. as boys at 20 are just... boys...at list i rember when i was 19 me and my friends all the time look to boys 24-25 as they where sexier and more attractive then boys from our class same age with us who looked like kids lol

Well there lucky guys alot of men would really love a younger lady I don't mind older or younger both attract me but no I never seen it, its not that common here like where would a 19 year old and 32 year old meet socially?? actually there probably would be a bit of a stigma here with an age gap that big but I don't have to worry old or young I don't get much attraction from them hahaha

[circumcised guy]

TBH you have given me a new viewpoint.

Stephanie, Do you think there are trafficked girls in Ireland?

Idf are you been serious with that question? Of course there are and as much as i think Ruhama's figures are greatly exaggerated we have to realise that it is a fact and as much as we would like to believe it doesn't happen we guys have to open our eyes. I'm remembering when I first started out in this game meeting ladies who were quite obviously not happy or doing it unvoluntarily. I'm ashamed to say I didn't always leave but that is when I was younger and unwise and yes horny as fuck. There are a few instances that stick in my mind in particular that I have great regret in not trying to do something about and reporting the location to the guards. One in particular when with a very beautiful and friendly young lady we were interrupted a couple of time by a knock on the door and her having a exchange of words with someone on the other side in their language which was obviously not pleasant and clear that it was to put pressure on her to hurry up with me as there was another customer. One of my biggest regrets I have was not doing anything to help that lady out but as I said I was more stupid back then and only thinking of myself.

[philipkntz]

I've no doubt that there are trafficked sex workers in Ireland, but I do my best to avoid them.
I'm quite sure that if I treated women badly and showed interest in non consensual sex, that I would be introduced to a different scene.

[Petros]

So there is a special market for trafficked people? What do clients do - ring up and specify that they want to see someone who is here against their will

They ring up for the 50e Full Service and then knock the girl about because they are not satisfied .

They ring up for massage service and then intimidate the girl into providing Full Service and then leave a Review rating down Value for Money .

That is the demographic seeking out the trafficked and disadvantaged , seeking the downtrodden .

Yep , as you say : They ring up ....

My question was not if there are trafficked people who are forced to work in the sex industry here but if there is a "Special market" for trafficked people who are forced to work in the sex industry!

It seems to be common knowledge that there are trafficked people here in Ireland, but are they brought here and substituted into the market place instead of non trafficked people in order that the traffickers can make money off them from unsuspecting clients or are they being trafficked here purely with the intention of attracting clients who are looking for trafficked people?

The article implies the latter which would be very worrying if true. It's bad enough to think that there might be trafficked girls out there and clients were going to see them but had no idea they were trafficked - but if clients were specifically looking for girls who were trafficked and forced to work against their will is far worse and sickening to think about!

[Kalib]

Idf are you been serious with that question? Of course there are and as much as i think Ruhama's figures are greatly exaggerated we have to realise that it is a fact and as much as we would like to believe it doesn't happen we guys have to open our eyes. I'm remembering when I first started out in this game meeting ladies who were quite obviously not happy or doing it unvoluntarily. I'm ashamed to say I didn't always leave but that is when I was younger and unwise and yes horny as fuck. There are a few instances that stick in my mind in particular that I have great regret in not trying to do something about and reporting the location to the guards. One in particular when with a very beautiful and friendly young lady we were interrupted a couple of time by a knock on the door and her having a exchange of words with someone on the other side in their language which was obviously not pleasant and clear that it was to put pressure on her to hurry up with me as there was another customer. One of my biggest regrets I have was not doing anything to help that lady out but as I said I was more stupid back then and only thinking of myself.

WTF!
If you thought she was not happy or doing it involuntary you should have left.

[philipkntz]

My question was not if there are trafficked people who are forced to work in the sex industry here but if there is a "Special market" for trafficked people who are forced to work in the sex industry!

It seems to be common knowledge that there are trafficked people here in Ireland, but are they brought here and substituted into the market place instead of non trafficked people in order that the traffickers can make money off them from unsuspecting clients or are they being trafficked here purely with the intention of attracting clients who are looking for trafficked people?

The article implies the latter which would be very worrying if true. It's bad enough to think that there might be trafficked girls out there and clients were going to see them but had no idea they were trafficked - but if clients were specifically looking for girls who were trafficked and forced to work against their will is far worse and sickening to think about!

Just like paedophile rings exist, I believe this is true. The better side of the sex market is being driven underground by legislation, but I have no doubt that their is a deeper, murkier layer. I haven't seen any evidence though, just whispers from a few escorts.

[Stephanie]

TBH you have given me a new viewpoint.

Stephanie, Do you think there are trafficked girls in Ireland?

Hi IDF x

My apologies for the late check-back on the thread ..been busy x

To answer your Q , yes , I do believe there are some trafficked individuals in our business .

: just as there are Innumerable trafficked Au Pairs and kitchen staff , countless housekeeping staff in large

tourist hotels , etc. NONE of those situations are acceptable !

Fair wage and fair freedom of movement should be an inalienable right in ALL sectors of labor .


Over the past few years human trafficking has become the 'go-to' subject , it is All Over media (cnn etc.) .

Is the situation worse now than it was in the past , or we are just more aware / better informed -- or better hyped ??

: False claims by "rescued" girls
Some of the girls and young women whom Mam rescued from slavery were used in testimonials promoting Mam's foundation, but at least one of those girls later "confessed that her story was fabricated and carefully rehearsed for the cameras under Mam's instruction," Newsweek reported. -- sound familiar ?? : Ruhama does same ?

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/30/wo...n-hero-resign/

https://www.google.ie/search?q=somal...hrome&ie=UTF-8

Why is it that when human trafficking is discussed the conversation is Always curved back to the sex industry ??

There are more indentured / forced laboreres worldwide than victims of sex trafficking . (Quatar Construction !!)

There are more child-labor vicitims worldwide than victims of sex trafficking .. etc.

^^^ Of course One doesn't make the Other right or 'less bad' !! ,

but to answer you , yes , I am sure there are some girls who come over with promises

of 'big income' doing this business and end up being used up and not much better off

when they go home , than they were when they arrived .


And once again : What is Trafficked ?? -- Assisted ? Forced ? Disappointed ? Coerced ?

What Is Trafficked ?

[Stephanie]

Just like paedophile rings exist, I believe this is true. The better side of the sex market is being driven underground by legislation, but I have no doubt that their is a deeper, murkier layer. I haven't seen any evidence though, just whispers from a few escorts.

Took the words out of my mouth .

I was going to make same comparison / analogy re pedophile rings .

And I will still contend that men seeking the 50e punt will be more likely to be in the demographic that specifically seeks 'trafficked' victims .

That is not to say that low income men seeking services are all abusers .

That also is not to say that an abuser will not visit higher end providers .

However , higher end providers are much less likely to fall vicitim to a 'trafficking' victimology .

In my humble opinion .

[Dom Dunn]

Stephanie didn't make a blanket comment.

She answered a question about one aspect. Who is it that seeks out abused girls and, how do they do it.

That's all.

Yes she did make a blanket comment and is well used to making them on a wide range of topics.

[GOSHH]

non consensual sex

Its great to see people aware of all the different types of things that are happening in Ireland...i just want to say that i believe there is no such thing as non consensual sex because sex, by its definition is consensual. Without consent it is not sex...it is assault.