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    Hi everyone,

    I have read a good few posts about the NSO Bill.
    Can anyone sum up clearly what this bill will change for ladies and clients.
    I'm a foreigner visiting Dublin regularly and would like to know where to stand.

    Thanks.

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    Hi,

    I am moving this to **Sex Work in the Media & Law** Section.

    Amy

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    It is a big bill, but the key change affecting ordinary users of a site like this is that the purchase of sexual services is being criminalised, so that clients potentially run the risk of being taken to court and fined if caught paying for sex.

    A similar law was passed in Northern Ireland, and so far has not made any noticeable difference. There has been almost no enforcement of it. Opinions differ as to whether the same will happen in RoI.

    If you want more detail, search on this site or Google, for "Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Bill 2015".
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    From my previous reading of it €500 fine for the first offence, €1000 second offence.
    The fine for sex with trafficking victim doubled/possible jail time.
    No change for offences of soliciting in public places, brothel keeping etc (i.e. TORL "aim" of decriminalising the sex worker, as in Sweden)

    However the prostitution section of the bill is only a small part of the bill that includes new sexual offences, increased punishments for child sex, coercion of vulnerable people, child prostitution, incest and other nasty sex crimes that all right thinking people will agree with.

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    This is being discussed at second stage in Dáil Eireann today -

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp...3799&&CatID=60

    I'm not sure when it will be voted on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbagehot View Post
    When this comes into law, my short career as a punter in Ireland will be over permanently.
    Meh. Mine only really started a couple of years into it up here.

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    its not fair,two of my regular have said they will leave Ireland when law is in as their regular clients said they would quit visiting and then not worth their while and could be dangerous, i hope it doesnt come in

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbagehot View Post
    Somone I met over the weekend may have changed my mind on this. But the only way around it I see is to have a few hotel-based regulars. Apartments and houses are gonna get raided. At least with the hotel and someone you know well from before the law will be less likely to be staked out, less likely to be raided as a brothel, and if the ladies can ensure that there needs to be no discussion of business, then ultimately no evidence of purchase.
    You are as likely to be stopped in the hotel lobby coming out of an encounter as anywhere else, what if the hotel/ hotel security inform the Pigz?
    The safest bet will be outcalls with well established ladies to your home!

    Swedish blokes living near Denmark, arrange outcalls to their home with escorts based in Denmark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbagehot View Post
    Yeah, well that's not gonna happen. Out calls to home that is. DHL can hardly find me, and they have to ask the neighbours. Police can hang around the lobby all they want. Unless they have evidence of payment for a sexual service all they can do is harass and I don't see hotels taking too kindly to their lobbies being used as interrogation centres for all makes coming and going.
    Would that point also not apply to being questioned coming out of an apartment? And BTW the Pigz are experts at harrassing people! Re Hotel lobby scenarios, the most likely thing is that the hotel will quickly cop that a lady is using a room and after punter 2 or 3, there will be an intervention by hotel management/security and the game will be up and that may include a chat with the Pigz!
    The attitude of hotels will possibly change to being a lot less tolerant when the new law comes in and they may be liable themselves as landlords might be also if the nutter insane recommendations of the JOC report are slyed into the law at committee stage, which BTW also suggested (apparently directly from the submission of one of the major TORLER groups, styling itself as a protector of women working in sex work) that anybody downloading an escort related site, such as the one we are now on, should be traeted as the legal equivalent of a Child Molester downloading scenes of children being raped and abused! And that anybody would include, punters, curious teenagers and sex workers who might be looking for sexual health and dangerous punter warnings from such an escort website!
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