Justice at last

[Spanky Panky]

I still remember clearly watching it all unfold live on RTE as an 8 year old and it was horrendous then but more so as the years went by and I learned what really happened.
I think the reason it has some sort of affect on football fans, not only Liverpool fans, is because it could have happened to any group of supporters. If the Nottingham Forest fans had been given the Leppings Lane end that day, they would have suffered the tragedy. If the other Semi Final had been played at Hillsborough instead of Villa Park, it could have been Everton or Norwich fans. This tragedy was looming for years as many older football fans who attended games in the 70s and 80s have stated. Had it been a few years later in the 90s, when it was more accessible for Irish fans to go to games in England, particularly match trips organized by local youth teams, it could have been someone you know. As unlikely as that scenario may have been, it wasn't outside the realms of possibility and that's why all football fans are somewhat, however little, affected by the fact that 96 people went to watch their team and never came home. JFT96.

I don't think it has much to do with supporting English teams, personally for me, it's the fact that it was a huge loss of innocent lives, members of the general public going along to watch a game of footie & 96 not returning home to their significant others. I, cannot fail, to have empathy for those families, I cannot imagine what it must've be like, waiting for loved ones to return, families torn apart, some members surviving, some not. A tragic loss. I, sincerely hope that this judgement can now finally mean closure for those families who have never given up, who have carried on fighting even when at some stages, I presume they would've thought that the odds against them winning, weren't favourable.

Sandy x

Thank you both, they are very thoughtful explanations and I suppose are at the heart of why it affects people so deeply. That what should have been a nice family day out became such a tragedy is awful. I too feel sympathy for the families that lost loved ones that day.
Some of my empathy becomes eroded when I hear Liverpiol fans singing to United fans about planes crashing on runways and United fans singing back about Hillsborough and Heysel. And those are mostly lifelong hardcore fans. I am a cynic by nature though but I hope today brings closure to those who mourn.

[redforever]

It does a little, thanks.
Corruption and cover ups in the establishment are an accepted part of life for me though and I don't have an allegiance to any EPL team in particular so I was curious why you feel such a bond with a foreign team. It's probably either something you get or you don't though.
The reporting by the Sun was reprehensible I agree but as much as one would expect from tabloids.
Do you have strong feelings about Heysel, or Sakho being popped for PEDs? What kind of ban do you think he deserves?

As regards Heysel yes indeed I have sympathy for the families of the 39 supporters who were killed that night. .
But unlike Hillsborough people have been brought to account over the proceedings that night

The president of uefa and his general secretary at the time were threatened with jail terms while the general secretary of the Belgium football association received a six month suspended sentence with matters regarding ticketing segregation and a crumbling stadium
while 14 liverpool supporters received three year prison sentences for involuntary manslaughter
To a certain extent justice has prevailed in this matter and there was no lies no cover up

As for Sakho he hasn't been found guilty of any offence yet as it is still under investigation but I'm sure if he is found guilty of any wrong doing the punishment will fit the crime

[grypwr85]

Thank you both, they are very thoughtful explanations and I suppose are at the heart of why it affects people so deeply. That what should have been a nice family day out became such a tragedy is awful. I too feel sympathy for the families that lost loved ones that day.
Some of my empathy becomes eroded when I hear Liverpiol fans singing to United fans about planes crashing on runways and United fans singing back about Hillsborough and Heysel. And those are mostly lifelong hardcore fans. I am a cynic by nature though but I hope today brings closure to those who mourn.

With regards to the fans singing about other teams tragedies, that's just despicable behaviour but unfortunately there will always be that in football between rival teams. I would hope in the future we will see permanent bans handed out to fans who are caught behaving this way.

Back to Hillsborough, the fact that it was covered up for over 2 decades, a cover up which went right up to the British government, is why it gets so much attention over other football tragedies. I'm not saying whether this is right or wrong, but it's been more than just a football disaster, it was also a justice disaster.

[bettercallsaul]

Jury concludes all 96 victims of the Hillsborough disaster were unlawfully killed
Great day if not a sad day for all the victims families

Well done to all the families of the 96 who have fought for the last 27 years for justice






Bad luck to chief inspector duckenfield and his police buddies on their attempted cover up




ynwa

Delighted today finally came for the people that deserved it,true football fans always knew and always respect how Liverpool fans remember and supported the Family's ,you really will never walk alone.

[Best Before]

Jury concludes all 96 victims of the Hillsborough disaster were unlawfully killed
Great day if not a sad day for all the victims families

Well done to all the families of the 96 who have fought for the last 27 years for justice






Bad luck to chief inspector duckenfield and his police buddies on their attempted cover up




ynwa

Great day for the Club and its supporters. Finally the wrongs have being righted and the campaigners can move on with their lives.

[Not Tyler Durden]

A good day for justice. I hope those campaigners will finally have a chance to grieve.

[redforever]

Everyone of the English papers front pages this morning are given over to the justice story except two . . .


Yep you guessed it The Scum is one of them

[Best Before]

Moved to sports thread!!

E.I. haven't got a clue.

[redforever]

Moved to sports thread!!

E.I. haven't got a clue.

Your spot on their bb

[LuckyLu]

Moved to sports thread!!

E.I. haven't got a clue.

the only thing you have to do is ask,
no problem with moving it back.

have a fab day