Lists - Food for thought

[Lynne]

To all involved, here is my thought on the "lists"

I have been an escort for close on 7 years, both as a independant lady residing in London and also as a touring independant lady in various european countries as well as here in ireland. I was in fact one of the first ladies to travel over to ireland on a regular basis, in these seven years i have made an untarnished and exellent reputation for myself with regards to discretion and service, i consider myself a down to earth and genuine lady who is maticulous when it comes to etiquette. As all of you know i never once gotten involved in message board squabbles, however now that this whole situation has come to light and gotten out of hand i feel i need to be dignified and make my honest statement of the fact.

In these seven years, I have heard of and been the victim of violent attacks, verbal abuse and theivery by clients. Not pointing fingers at anyone in particular but these types of activities occur on a regular basis (we as girls i.e. advertisers, have our own private section, on both this and the other site, where we regularly report these incindences to help each other from experiencing trauma of this nature).
What we do is just as dangerous, if not more, than being on the frontlines in war...at least in war you know who your enemy is because in this game you dont. Everyday we put our lives and physical health on the line, simply by opening the door and welcoming you into our life for a short while, because this is an intimate industry where acts happen behind closed doors, however I daily meet gentlemen which I dont know from a bar of soap, they could be serial killers, wife beaters or carry a variety of sexually transmittable dieases that could affect my life and future... not only do I have to deal with all of this... but on top of it that, there are ladies who like to stir the pot and post unscrupless messages without any proof just to pull other girls down. I have to deal with hotels that are always on the lookout for ladies, however in all my years i have never been asked to leave, been kicked out, thrown out or told off by any member of hotel staff. In actual fact i have used the same locations for numerous years, as many of my regular gents will verify.

Because of these prevailant dangers, I now find a useful means of protection (i.e. the list which i was asked to join) is getting blamed for what?... absolutely nothing.....! This list merely allows us to make judgement calls when it comes to accepting appointments... (as i said our lives are on the line). How many of you gentlemen out there can honestly say that this list has caused you any harm... no physical, emotional or social harm has come your way since this list has been in circulation, and believe me its been around for a while...

If you think about it in context... this list gives you more access to girls than anything else, girls are more trusting of you because there is record of you being a gentleman and a good client... this list is only a protection measure and any of you that are worried need to rather do more of a background check on your choice of escort rather than spend your energy crying about some list that has never once harmed you in any way. Your name has never appeared on this list, nor your full number......thus no evidence. In america, for instance, if you wanted to see a lady you have to give your full real name, drivers id or some form of actual identification when wanting to meet a lady, there is also a site which registers gentleman and stores their details so other ladies can verify them in much the same way. Any lady who regularly travels to the states will verify this also.

If you were so naive to think that we never kept your numbers on your phones in the first place...then you are mistaken to begin with... Every lady i know of will not meet a gentleman without a mobile phone number, witheld numbers and landlines cannot make an appointment. You hence freely give us the number you punt with when you call us, we keep it as a frame of reference to know that it is you calling when you arrive at our hotel or apartment. With the referencing system that was in place last year, lots of ladies were only meeting verified clients. How do you think you got verified? For example: i call another lady and ask her do you remember bob, you met him in dublin, 6 months ago.... how on earth will she honestly be able to verify him without a phone number...?

As said so many times before, if you are worried about giving your number out, then why call from a number that you dont want exposed. Most gentlemen have 2 different numbers, one for his personal life and another for his private life.

All this list has effectivley done is put all the girls good and verified phone numbers into one spread sheet, with no names, half the number showing if you're a good guy... so why the tears...

If you look at this in perspective, whomever it was that leaked this list to the clients who are claiming that they have a copy on this messageboard, is in fact the person you should be worrying about, and who is clearly happy to share this information with other clients. I have only used the list to my own safety requirements, and tried to help others who might have been a bit nervous to meet a new client. I have never abused the information nor have i given its details to anyone. Whomever gave out the list does not have discrection in mind.

Lots of Thought
Lynne
xoxo

[Lynne]

Alyssa whom is currently in New zealand, agrees with what i have written and will post shortly with her own response. She is Unfortunately unable to get to a laptop at present but will do so in due course, as she arrives to ireland on Friday.

[Patricia]

Thank you for coming on and explaining things from your perspective.

However, I take issue with a couple of your points.

Because of these prevailant dangers, I now find a useful means of protection (i.e. the list which i was asked to join) is getting blamed for what?... absolutely nothing.....! This list merely allows us to make judgement calls when it comes to accepting appointments... (as i said our lives are on the line). How many of you gentlemen out there can honestly say that this list has caused you any harm... no physical, emotional or social harm has come your way since this list has been in circulation, and believe me its been around for a while...

If this list was not secret, i.e. if the gents on it had agreed to be on it, I think far less people would see a problem with it. The real problem is that the gents on it did not consent to being on it.

Also, it could threaten the privacy of many. Now it is being circulated and probably journalists and god knows who else has seen it.

Irish mobile numbers all start 087/086/085 etc, after that there are only 7 digits. 6 of these digits were included on the list, therefore it is easy to guess the numbers.

And what about the cases where more notes were written about the guy, like his name or occupation or whatever? I know in most cases notes weren't added, but they were in some.

If you think about it in context... this list gives you more access to girls than anything else, girls are more trusting of you because there is record of you being a gentleman and a good client... this list is only a protection measure and any of you that are worried need to rather do more of a background check on your choice of escort rather than spend your energy crying about some list that has never once harmed you in any way. Your name has never appeared on this list, nor your full number......thus no evidence.

You are sounding cocky now which will do you no favours.

Fair play for coming on here and putting your perspective across, but I think you need to reconsider your views as I don't think this list was harmless or fair on clients.

Pat x

[Lynne]

thank you pat for your response, it is appreciated. As i said i am holding my hands up and saying yes i was on the list and did join it once it was created. I will not apologise for my safety.
I dont mean to sound cocky or rude, i just wanted to come out and say my say in a dignified manner.
I apologise to anyone i may have offended, i have never posted a full description of a gent, nor a full number of a good client, nor a name. if anything i have described one or two people as very nice.

[experienced punter]

I think its an absolute disgrace & offers escorts the opportunity to do what they wish maliciously with this list, myself I've always given my real name as I always got outcalls so u have to give to give details of hotel room no.etc I've been naive all along discretion my arse

[Patricia]

Whilst I don't agree with this list, I do understand that ladies are concerned for their safety.

We considered setting up a bad clients list type thing a while ago, but essentially we found it would be very problamatic legally, with all the data protection issues, so ended up abandoning the idea.

This is a difficult issue.

[annasavicha]

What can u comment on fact that during discussion on the board girls found out that 'hotel'turns into brothel' and started to wonder 'how to get rid of them without loosing friends?'

[Noah]

The question of lists at this time has been raised and it probably could not have come at a worse time.
Regular posters and watchers will know that a recently banned user, Chelsea supporter, was trying to extract information from clients, then holding onto this information for her own stupid crusade, however , as one punter showed, one he fed her all the incorrect details and she subsequently posted them in a blog, she was exposed for the fraud that she is.
Having my details on a list does'nt bother me to much, i have a punting phone on silent when its charged, i give my real name and thats is, no more, if i am in the company of a fine young woman, if she asks what do i do, i tell that i am on a break from training with the space programme, that usually ends the conversation about the personal stuff, she knows i'm lying, however i may yet get selected for Irelands first inter-galatic flight, watch this space. that was a terrible pun..

If there's one thing i admire in people, its honesty, i may not agree with them, but i won't knock some-one for being honest, fair play to Lynne and her honest assertions about the dreaded " List".

also , its a bit naive of the punters to think that Girls would'nt have a discussion amongst themselves , its only to point out the weirdos, deviants and sick motherfuckers that exist in not just our society, but are unfortunately universal.
If your on the same wave lenght as the girls, then you have nothing to be concerned about.

[annasavicha]

will not apologise for my safety.
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What about apporox 10.000 people who now feel they might be affected if list end up in wrong people hands?

As i am aware some punters have it too.

[Noah]

I am scratching my head as to why a punter would give hoest information to a Girl, it's not going to evolve into a relationship for God's sake, it your details are false then you have nothing to be concerned about.