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    The Rising was roundly condemned by many contemporaries, an irony often commented upon in the years since it took place. Yet the reasons for this aren't hard to understand, and should not be dismissed as the work of so-called 'west Brits' and 'Castle Catholics'.


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    Irish unionists and the British authorities were naturally unimpressed by the Easter Rising. But neither were many Home Rule nationalists, who felt that their prospect of getting Home Rule after the war was undermined by events in Dublin; some went so far as to view the Rising as an attack on Home Rule as much as the British.


    Then there were the views of those who were literally on the ground. Many of the insurgents who fought in 1916 recorded the hostility of the families of serving soldiers across the city (some went so far as to say that their British captors had saved them from angry mobs).


    There was a widespread perception (shared by Redmond) that the Volunteers were in cahoots with the Germans; from that point of view, those who fought in the Rising were stabbing other Irishmen – sons, husbands, brothers – in the back, and doing so in relatively safe circumstances at home; as one irate lady on Bridgefoot Street shouted at the young Volunteer Sean McLoughlin, ‘it’s out in Flanders you should be, you bastards’.


    Alongside this was the fact that the Rising had caused massive death and destruction, and disrupted everyday life in the city; Oscar Traynor recalled how he and his fellow Volunteers were accused by one irate Dubliner of being ‘starvers of the people’. Hostility to the Rising on these various grounds was inevitable, and surely understandable.


    It can't just be blamed on 'jackeens' either, for (some) Dubliners were not the only ones hostile to the Rising. Local authorities and the provincial press across the country condemned it and, as Conor McNamara of NUIG has discovered, in Galway a committee of concerned citizens pledged themselves to supporting the British authorities; the Redmondite Nationalist Volunteers even patrolled Galway City with weapons provided by the British army.


    Condemnation of the Rising spread far beyond the city in which the vast bulk of the fighting took place. But such attitudes changed utterly in subsequent weeks and months.


    Gut Sympathies


    There seems to have been more gut sympathy towards the Rising than is often assumed; the testimonies later provided by 1916 veterans to the Bureau of Military History are littered with discreet gestures of sympathy and acts of kindness towards the defeated insurgents.


    James Stephens claimed that at least some Dubliners had a grudging regard —‘almost a feeling of gratitude'—for the tenacity of the insurgents by the Wednesday of Easter Week, ‘for if they had been beaten the first or second day the city would have been humiliated to the soul’. Condemnation was more likely to be heard in a city under military occupation; sympathisers would surely have kept their heads down.


    Many realised that something seismic had happened in Dublin in April 1916, and in less then three years the military defeat of the Easter Rising had been transformed, remarkably, into the political victory of an independence movement with its roots in the Rising.


    The condemnation of 1916 was replaced by outright support in 1918. British arrogance and heavy handedness, a willingness on the part of many Irish people to re-assess the motives and characters of the executed 1916 leaders, and disillusionment with the Home Rule party ensured that by 1918, one Irish nationalist movement had been overtaken by another.


    John Redmond is indeed part of the story of the Easter Rising; both he and his party were amongst its political victims.


    John Gibney is currently Glasnevin Trust Professor of Public History and Cultural Heritage at Trinity College Dublin.


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    There had been several Rebellions before against British occupation of Ireland, but this was the one that finally got a reaction.
    If there had been better lines of communication around the country, they might have been even more successful.

    Even though Dublin was considered an important city in their 'empire' the British allowed a big divide to be created between the rich & poor,
    and there was a lot of poverty and poor conditions in the tenements of Dublin, that only started to really improve after the Free State took over.

    Several countries, previously occupied by the British, subsequently followed Ireland's lead, and eventually got their own independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest View Post
    There had been several Rebellions before against British occupation of Ireland, but this was the one that finally got a reaction.
    If there had been better lines of communication around the country, they might have been even more successful.

    Even though Dublin was considered an important city in their 'empire' the British allowed a big divide to be created between the rich & poor,
    and there was a lot of poverty and poor conditions in the tenements of Dublin, that only started to really improve after the Free State took over.

    Several countries, previously occupied by the British, subsequently followed Ireland's lead, and eventually got their own independence.

    Little known fact is that the rebellion was canceled.

    Only a small hard core element went through with it on the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishdeltaforce View Post
    Little known fact is that the rebellion was canceled.

    Only a small hard core element went through with it on the day.
    The remnant of the Irish volunteers that did not respond to Redmond's call to join the British army were led by Eoin McNeill(a UCD professor and the grandfather of Michael McDowell). The volunteers had been hijacked from the inside by the Irish Revolutionary Brotherhood/IRB(Pearse, McDonagh et al) The rebellion was instigated by the IRB. MacNeill found out about it a day or so before and sent out countermanding orders to stand down. He believed it was futile, that they had insufficient arms and it would be a massacre.
    Originally it was intended 10, 000 men across the country would rise but confusion and the countermanding order meant it was largely confined to Dublin. (There was some activity in Enniscorty and Ferns Co. Wexford and Liam Mellows led a few hundred men on a wild goose chase in Galway.
    In the end Dublin was the main focus of events.
    Some of the ordinary volunteers that marched in to occupy buildings on the Monday probably first thought at first they were just going on their usual marches/manoeuvres that morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishdeltaforce View Post
    Little known fact is that the rebellion was canceled.

    Only a small hard core element went through with it on the day.
    I would have thought it was a reasonably well known fact that the Rising was originally planned for Easter Sunday.
    It's funny to think about it now, that a notice was put into the Sunday newspaper to let Volunteers know that the 'drills' were cancelled.
    Imagine having to buy a newspaper to find out that you weren't going into battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alcatel View Post
    The remnant of the Irish volunteers that did not respond to Redmond's call to join the British army were led by Eoin McNeill(a UCD professor and the grandfather of Michael McDowell). The volunteers had been hijacked from the inside by the Irish Revolutionary Brotherhood/IRB(Pearse, McDonagh et al) The rebellion was instigated by the IRB. MacNeill found out about it a day or so before and sent out countermanding orders to stand down. He believed it was futile, that they had insufficient arms and it would be a massacre.
    Originally it was intended 10, 000 men across the country would rise but confusion and the countermanding order meant it was largely confined to Dublin. (There was some activity in Enniscorty and Ferns Co. Wexford and Liam Mellows led a few hundred men on a wild goose chase in Galway.
    In the end Dublin was the main focus of events.

    Some of the ordinary volunteers that marched in to occupy buildings on the Monday probably first thought at first they were just going on their usual marches/manoeuvres that morning.
    Can you imagine?

    Wow!!

    How history would have been so different!
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    The seven signatories of the Irish Proclamation (from the left):
    Padraig Pearse, James Connolly, Thomas Clarke, Thomas MacDonagh, Sean MacDermott, Joseph Plunkett & Eamonn Ceannt
    All of the above men were executed by the British Government for their efforts in trying to secure a free Ireland!

    At four minutes past noon on Easter Monday, April 24th, 1916, from the steps of the General Post Office Patrick Pearse read the Proclamation of the Republic:



    POBLACHT NA h-EIREANN
    THE PROVISIONAL GOVERNMENT OF THE
    IRISH REPUBLIC
    TO THE PEOPLE OF IRELAND

    IRISHMAN AND IRISHWOMEN: In the name of God and of the dead generations from which she receives her old tradition of nationhood, Ireland, through us, summons her children to her flag and strikes for her freedom.

    Having organized and trained her manhood through her secret revolutionary organization, the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and through her open military organizations, the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizen Army, having patiently perfected her discipline, having resolutely waited for the right moment to reveal itself, she now seizes that moment, and, supported by her exiled children in America and by gallant allies in Europe, but relying in the first on her own strength, she strikes in full confidence of victory.

    We declare the right of the people of Ireland to the ownership of Ireland, and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies, to be sovereign and indefeasible. The long usurpation of that right by a foreign people and government has not extinguished the right, nor can it ever be extinguished except by the destruction of the Irish people. In every generation the Irish people have asserted their right to national freedom and sovereignty; six times during the past three hundred years they have asserted it in arms. Standing on that fundamental right and again asserting it in arms in the face of the world, we hereby proclaim the Irish Republic as a Sovereign Independent State. And we pledge our lives and the lives of our comrades-in-arms to the cause of its freedom, of its welfare, and of its exaltation among the nations.

    The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irish woman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities of all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally, and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority in the past.

    Until our arms have brought the opportune moment for the establishment of a permanent National Government, representative of the whole people of Ireland and elected by the suffrages of all her men and women, the Provision Government, hereby constituted, will administer the civil and military affairs of the Republic in trust for the people.

    We place the cause of the Irish Republic under the protection of the Most High God, Whose blessing we invoke upon our arms, and we pray that no one who serves that cause will dishonour it by cowardice, inhumanity, or rapine. In this supreme hour the Irish nation must, by its valour and discipline and by the readiness of its children to sacrifice themselves for the common good, prove itself worthy of the august destiny to which it is called.
    Signed on behalf of the Provisional Government,


    THOMAS J. CLARKE
    SEAN MAC DIERMADA THOMAS MACDONAGH
    P.H.PEARSE EAMONN CEANNT
    JAMES CONNOLLY JOSEPH PLUNKETT

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    Up the uvf lol
    Stop talking shite and get on with it

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    Quote Originally Posted by notbadforanoldman View Post
    Up the uvf lol
    As long as it's up over the border where all the Nordies belong in their 6 counties pen. Lol.
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    Hail to the chief.
    Mickey D takes the salute.
    Nice day for a fancy dress party in Dublin.
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