Sweden . Collapse ?

[Cassandra]

I wouldn't let a rabid dog into my yard , however sorry I might feel for his plight .


Any difference ??





(No , I'm not calling people 'dogs' , it is merely an analogy ) .

Yeah on my shoddier phone, but article title is provided.
I get that analogy but that's why I used the example of an adopted child rather than a dog rabid or otherwise.
The issue in Sweden isn't really letting them in, they're there, they're still coming it's that it's not as an integrated society as it should be.
The efforts to make it so aren't being taken.

You can't just be tolerant of forgieners you got a encourage them to be tolerant and accepting of your way of life. A welcoming attitude is all it should take but hey, it takes a bit more.
Then when you have less of a them and us stance,everyone chills. Society moves along.

It makes a difference, why is there more racially motivated crime in the States than in the Uk?
for all our high fulutin' America is still very much a segregated society. (Remember the hub bub over the cheerios commercial?)

Society is built of the back of migrants,after that migrant women, and after that women like us.

I'd never suggest all migrants or refugees are innocent - people being people and all - but to suggest they're responsible for any countries economic collapse (or societal,whatever) is silly and wrong. Last I checked you're not the silly sort.

[Stephanie]

Yeah on my shoddier phone, but article title is provided.
I get that analogy but that's why I used the example of an adopted child rather than a dog rabid or otherwise.
The issue in Sweden isn't really letting them in, they're there, they're still coming it's that it's not as an integrated society as it should be.
The efforts to make it so aren't being taken.

You can't just be tolerant of forgieners you got a encourage them to be tolerant and accepting of your way of life. A welcoming attitude is all it should take but hey, it takes a bit more.
Then when you have less of a them and us stance,everyone chills. Society moves along.

It makes a difference, why is there more racially motivated crime in the States than in the Uk?
for all our high fulutin' America is still very much a segregated society. (Remember the hub bub over the cheerios commercial?)

Society is built of the back of migrants,after that migrant women, and after that women like us.

I'd never suggest all migrants or refugees are innocent - people being people and all - but to suggest they're responsible for any countries economic collapse (or societal,whatever) is silly and wrong. Last I checked you're not the silly sort.

Thank you xx



On some other points I respectfully disagree with you xxx

'They' DO NOT WANT TO INTEGRATE .

Instead , 'THEY' want to spread their own beliefs and 'legal' system to OUR shores (Sharia in Europe , Sharia in US) .

All the many thousands and soon millions of 'refugees' coming to your land (Europe) are not looking to work !

They're looking to live off of whatever country they end up in -- hence Sweden , Germany , Finland have been popular

destinations with their very generous Welfare Provisions .

I am not against Immigrants ; the whole Nation of the United States had been built on various 'immigrants' : slavery ,

English , Irish , Italian , etc. waves of influx of many many thousands of people .

But !!

The difference was : those migrating to US in the past (English , Irish , Italian , Polish , etc. ) CAME TO WORK .

This wave is different .

They are antagonists to the existing society that is in place in these respective countries .

I smell trouble. I fear big trouble in the next few years / decades in Europe .





At this point I'm hoping to get a couple more 'hands-on' years out of my farm -- raise and ride a filly ,

have my flower garden , have my veggie garden to pick lunch from ; my swimming pool and acres of land .. ,

take my pack on walks in the fields and forests , then I will abandon it and abandon Europe and

head back home --- if the then current administration is a halfway 'can-do' outfit .


Otherwise , the world is my oyster and I just might go The Beach route xxx

[Cable87]

The GateStone Institute. Really? C'mon.

.www.bbc.com/news/magazine-1959237 on mobile but it's titled Swedens Rape Crisis under Spot light.

It's funny, for a group of people (escorts and punters) often misrepresented by many, including some so called institutes of our own, we're all rather quick to do the same

Sorry Cassandra, not sure what the problem here is. I only posted the link, didn't write it.

I'd never heard of The GateStone Institute before; I take it by you reaction that you have, and that you find them in some way to be disreputable or untrustworthy?

I'm sure this information can be found or corroborated from other sources if you find this one to be inadequate.

[Stephanie]

Turns out I had it bookmarked here on my tablet.

Article is in English. Here it is:


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

: "Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa."

Why they do that ?? X


Violent Crime increase : 300 %

Rape increase by : 1,472 % !!!





Whyyyyyy would a peaceful prosperous country willingly expose its own High Tax Paying , civilised Citizens to such ??? x

[Cable87]

: "Forty years after the Swedish parliament unanimously decided to change the formerly homogenous Sweden into a multicultural country, violent crime has increased by 300% and rapes by 1,472%. Sweden is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa."

Why they do that ?? X


Violent Crime increase : 300 %

Rape increase by : 1,472 % !!!





Whyyyyyy would a peaceful prosperous country willingly expose its own High Tax Paying , civilised Citizens to such ??? x

These are interesting and important questions, with no easy answers.

Although I know it will be far too brief to do it adequate justice, and even then it's only speculation on my part, but I have to believe that there are three key factors that contribute to the decisions of the Swedish government and their decision to take in more foreign nationals:

1. Population decline. It has been known for years that in Sweden-- and all the Scandinavian countries for that matter-- that the population has been declining, and that for a generation, Scandinavian countries have had some of the lowest birthrates in the world. This has led to the government to come to the realization that the high standard of living and social system can only be maintained with a minimum sustainable level and number of workers paying taxes into the system. Low birthrates of native populations has put governments into the often unpopular decision of letting in the few people who actually are willing to come to Scandinavia. Despite the 'high standard of living', the weather is cold, and the locals are often as cold as the weather, particularly towards non-cacasians.


2. Pressure from the E.U. (read:Germany) In the current crisis, the E.U. has been putting tremendous pressure on member states to take in refugees and to take part in the quota system being proposed. The political pressure that Germany can put on other E.U. member states should not be underestimated.

3. Political Correctness. Despite actually being quite racist societies, Scandinavian countries certainly do not want to APPEAR TO BE racist (even though they are). The political left parties of Scandinavia, I often suspect, while never publicly admitting it, secretly find themselves in agreement with what the right says openly about how difficult (if not impossible) integration will be, particularly with so many people from Muslim countries entering. It's likely that within a generation, seeing as native Scandinavians are technically having negative birthrates (birthrates too low to maintain current population levels), while Muslim populations will likely be out-breeding the locals by a ratio of 3 to 1. This will fundamentally change the very essence of national/cultural identity in Scandinavia, and that for many is the scariest possibility of them all.

[Stephanie]

[Mister Anderson]

Why Sweden's economy is set to boom in 2016


http://www.thelocal.se/20151222/why-is-sweden-set-for-an-economic-boom-in-2016





Refugee crisis could boost Swedish economy



http://www.thelocal.se/20151116/refugee-crisis-could-boost-swedish-economy



Sweden's rape rate under the spotlight


http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372









Alex Jones, Infowars.com, and the Gladstoneinstitute as trustworthy sources ? ... Do you also believe that the Bush Adminstration carried out 9/11

[Mister Anderson]

The GateStone Institute. Really? C'mon.

.www.bbc.com/news/magazine-1959237 on mobile but it's titled Swedens Rape Crisis under Spot light.

It's funny, for a group of people (escorts and punters) often misrepresented by many, including some so called institutes of our own, we're all rather quick to do the same

Sometimes we seek out affirmation, however tenuous, that those inner fears are all valid. Mostly we just like talking shit ...

[Cassandra]

This is all one could ask for from Internet Santa,a nice civil debate on things that matter. Unfortunately there's geese to pluck, dresses to pick up and so much tinsel to vacuum (how does it get everywhere?) before the big do, so I'll pick up with you all boxing day. Hopefully this peaceful tone maintains.
Merry Christmas all x

[Cassandra]

Now where was I?
Um, yeah.
Now being forever between as it seems to some, you see alot. It's not at all unlikely that many of these young men of fighting age would rather kiss the backside of theocracy goodbye than bring it with.

It's rather odd to think many don't want to work as more so than any other recent influx of immigrants these are the educated smartphone jocking middle class of their nations.
It's rather odd to think collapse is on its way. The last being caused by the gilded prince of the west falling over I think it more likely the next will be caused by these same princes attempting to hold on to power long lost. For Europe to survive what's needed is to ignore the spoilt prince and continue to foster good working relations with it's neighbours.

We're all migrants now. How many of us here,even my broke(ish) artsy ass,spend a great deal of our time elsewhere?
Something had to challenge the EU sooner or later,and I think this refugee 'crisis' is a rather easy one to deal with. The exposed lack of cohesion amongst actual Eu members not so much.

Fragmented thoughts but fuck it I'm on vacation