What to say or do if caught by the Garda?

[Dom Dunn]

You can buy a cheap (20 or less) pay-as-you-go mobile in Tesco (for example), and buy top up vouchers, all without presenting ID. If you pay cash (and don't use a loyalty card!), you have a phone which cannot be traced back to you.

Have it from good authority that the main emphasis is going to be raids on well known brothels. Too much work and resources required to deal with independents. Also constitutional issues about phone surveillance for minor criminal activity plus would be difficult to prove that sex had taken place in most situations. This is not the case for a raid on a brothel which currently take place anyway the big difference of course is that your ass will end up in the dock alongside the working girls. One point worth noting is that in reality very few girls operate outside of a technical brothel under current Irish legislation. I was quite surprised recently to discover a well known classy escort who I always assumed operated solo from an upmarket apartment was actually sharing with another well known classy escort. This of course constitutes a brothel and as such could in law at least be raided under old and proposed new legislation. Whatever way you look at it this is very bad news but as I have said previously there is a good chance the law will be made redundant or be watered down as a result of legal challenge. In the meantime enjoy your last few legal rides!!!

[HardOnCommand]

When is this law coming in?

[Dom Dunn]

It is going through the Seanad at present. I don't think it has been debated in Dail yet?. With Christmas break coming up and a possible election in early Feb it may not be passed until after new govt is formed. To guess I would say April/May. The bad news is that this reprehensible piece of legislation is coming down the tracks regardless of who is in power as sadly it seems to have wide cross party support. As stated previously the courts are the only hope of preventing or circumventing this nonsense.

[dragonjay]

I don't give a fuck about the new law tbh. I'm horny all the time and single so I have needs fuck the guards.

[milkman]

It is going through the Seanad at present. I don't think it has been debated in Dail yet?. With Christmas break coming up and a possible election in early Feb it may not be passed until after new govt is formed. To guess I would say April/May. The bad news is that this reprehensible piece of legislation is coming down the tracks regardless of who is in power as sadly it seems to have wide cross party support. As stated previously the courts are the only hope of preventing or circumventing this nonsense.

Has two stages to pass so possible it might not become law before election though i've no doubt Fitzgerald is keen to have it done and dusted on her watch. Best chance of its exclusion would probably be FG re-elected with Leo v 9who is against the law) or possibly Simon Coveney to get Min of J. Ultimately , the law is coming though the challenge in the courts is a certainty . I believe the commencement of the NI Challenge is in Belfast High Court in Feb 2016 .
Don't know much about the law but would be seriously surprised if the law was upheld in court - state simply doesn't have the right to compromise the sexual consent of voluntary adults.

My prediction - the law introduced within 3/4 months . Almost all focus on well-known brothels . NI law to be repealed within 15 months(hopefully David Ford still NI MoJ as he is keen to overturn) . RoI law repealed within 24 months though whether RoI MoJ will be as enthusiastic?

[alcatel]

I don't give a fuck about the new law tbh. I'm horny all the time and single so I have needs fuck the guards.

Like a man in uniform, do you ?

[alcatel]

Has two stages to pass so possible it might not become law before election though i've no doubt Fitzgerald is keen to have it done and dusted on her watch. Best chance of its exclusion would probably be FG re-elected with Leo v 9who is against the law) or possibly Simon Coveney to get Min of J. Ultimately , the law is coming though the challenge in the courts is a certainty . I believe the commencement of the NI Challenge is in Belfast High Court in Feb 2016 .
Don't know much about the law but would be seriously surprised if the law was upheld in court - state simply doesn't have the right to compromise the sexual consent of voluntary adults.

My prediction - the law introduced within 3/4 months . Almost all focus on well-known brothels . NI law to be repealed within 15 months(hopefully David Ford still NI MoJ as he is keen to overturn) . RoI law repealed within 24 months though whether RoI MoJ will be as enthusiastic?

Good post, though in the south, if the proposed law is deemed constitutional /in line with the constitution, I doubt there would be any rush to repeal it.

[milkman]

If the constitutional challenge failed then the touted route would be European Court of Human Rights . Will be interesting to follow the legal shenanignas .

Definitely,if the law is deemed constitutional ,then no RoI MoJ will repeal. A two year review of the imminent law is being suggested ,but given the way most politicians have been utterly doe-eyed to TORL , zero chance that the review would be any way independent.

The entire debate over the last few years gives a good idea how difficult life must have been for the likes of single mothers or out-of-wedlock kids in the past with the overwhelming power of the Church and deferential politicians. Nowadays, through social media and a more liberal press, various sides can be heard though media manipulation is often part of the course.
Back 50 years ago, those single mothers had absolutely nothing or nobody to help their case . Amazing women whose voice was deliberately silenced through shame.

[the traveller]

If you ask me, Milky, not a lot has changed in the last fifty years. This whole process has been a joke from before the start to the finish.

[Dom Dunn]

If the constitutional challenge failed then the touted route would be European Court of Human Rights . Will be interesting to follow the legal shenanignas .

Definitely,if the law is deemed constitutional ,then no RoI MoJ will repeal. A two year review of the imminent law is being suggested ,but given the way most politicians have been utterly doe-eyed to TORL , zero chance that the review would be any way independent.

The entire debate over the last few years gives a good idea how difficult life must have been for the likes of single mothers or out-of-wedlock kids in the past with the overwhelming power of the Church and deferential politicians. Nowadays, through social media and a more liberal press, various sides can be heard though media manipulation is often part of the course.
Back 50 years ago, those single mothers had absolutely nothing or nobody to help their case . Amazing women whose voice was deliberately silenced through shame.

A review HA HA. I am sure the supporters of this crap law are already preparing(probably with the aid of state funds) for this eventuality. The usual distortions, fabrications and lies will be trotted out no doubt.