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    Quote Originally Posted by justfrank44 View Post
    What I find depressing is that our so called world leaders cannot come up with a better solution than sending in the bombers, and eventually troops on the ground, who will then be used as political cannon fodder in the future. They spend billions on defence and intelligence, and this is the best they can come up with.
    Because they are dealing with a medieval problem. The biggest and most dangerous lie ever told to man was he will get his rewards in heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeane View Post
    actually..it is not a medieval problem but the most used and best cover up/ excuse ever....
    I would say that resolutions between the Muslim sects are a medieval problem, yes. One of the reasons that England's interference in the original borders was so spectacularly unsuccessful was the failure to understand that. The Russians have always had their own agenda and do does everyone elshe, but it boils down to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy Chambers View Post
    I would say that resolutions between the Muslim sects are a medieval problem, yes. One of the reasons that England's interference in the original borders was so spectacularly unsuccessful was the failure to understand that. The Russians have always had their own agenda and do does everyone elshe, but it boils down to that.
    It has a lot to do with oil too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by casman View Post
    It has a lot to do with oil too.


    Everything comes back to oil, doesn't it? In this case though Russia have been allied with Syria since 1956. They will continue to support Assad. However it wasn't so long ago Assad was being accused of using weapons of mass destruction against his own people. Pe
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    Quote Originally Posted by casman View Post
    It has a lot to do with oil too.
    It,s all to do about oil that,s the sad part.
    If the middle east had no oil or resorces then ISIS would barely be a foot note on the back inside page, we would not be interfering in their affairs and they would not be targeting Europe
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    Britain always loved a good war, never knew when to mind their own business along with the US, Cameron itching to get stuck in, thinking of buying himself a new private plane too and all the while cutting vital money to the NHS where his own people are sick and need extra help,...
    when it comes to war money is no obstacle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genie in a Bottle View Post
    Britain always loved a good war, never knew when to mind their own business along with the US, Cameron itching to get stuck in, thinking of buying himself a new private plane too and all the while cutting vital money to the NHS where his own people are sick and need extra help,...
    when it comes to war money is no obstacle
    They better keep a few quid in the piggybank for the problems they are likely to have at home with terrorists once they send jets to fight abroad .
    Just an observation..............Im not criticising their decision to ramp up the fight abroad,but it will cause issues for them at home for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genie in a Bottle View Post
    Britain always loved a good war, never knew when to mind their own business along with the US, Cameron itching to get stuck in, thinking of buying himself a new private plane too and all the while cutting vital money to the NHS where his own people are sick and need extra help,...
    when it comes to war money is no obstacle
    I cant make out if you are a troll or just a mong.
    A. NHS funding increase 2015 is £8Bn http://www.nhsconfed.org/resources/k...ics-on-the-nhs
    B. War money No such thing, but there is a thing called a defence budget

    And you might want to read this and then feel the total gimp you made yourself out to be.
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...tory/75640706/

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    Quote Originally Posted by justfrank44 View Post
    I wonder is it too late now to leave assad in power. Isis has probably established too strong a base in the country for assad to be able to deal with then alone. And foreign intervention is used as a call to arms by isis.
    It isn't just Assad versus Isis though. The war in Syria started as an Arab Spring type revolution four years ago. It would appear Isis took advantage of the civil war and moved into Syria. And Lucy has a point. We think in terms of countries but religious factions would seem to be as big a factor as nationality. Yes Isis needs to be dealt with, but Western intervention will probably do as much damage now as it has in the past.

    The conflict in Syria has entered its fifth year, a grim anniversary in what has become the worst humanitarian crisis of our time.

    It began on March 15, 2011 when the Syrian government met mostly peaceful protests in several towns and cities with gunfire, beatings and arrest. Eventually, the opposition acquired weapons, soldiers defected, and the uprising transformed into a grinding civil war with ugly sectarian dimensions that sucked in countries across the region and further afield. An estimated 220,000 people have now been killed and life expectancy has dropped two decades to 55 years, according to the United Nations. 3.9 million people have fled the country, and a further 7.6 million have been internally displaced.

    A peaceful solution to the conflict now seems further away than ever, and United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions aimed at pushing President Bashar al-Assad to step down or cease attacking his own people are consistently vetoed by his longtime allies Russia and China. Moderate rebel factions fighting for a democratic system have lost out to Islamist-linked groups and the chaos has allowed extremist militants such as the so-called Islamic State (IS) to seize territory and power.
    https://news.vice.com/article/syria-...-of-a-conflict

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy Chambers View Post
    I would say that resolutions between the Muslim sects are a medieval problem, yes. One of the reasons that England's interference in the original borders was so spectacularly unsuccessful was the failure to understand that. The Russians have always had their own agenda and do does everyone elshe, but it boils down to that.
    Ah come on Lucy. Mister Sykes and Monsieur Picot just drew the proverbial lines in the sand to suit their own imperial interests. They didn't give a hoot about the locals, never mind try to understand them.

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