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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo76 View Post
    So, that's it? Acceptable loss? The parent's fault? Sad but lets move on?
    In this particular case yes , very clearly it was the boys' parents fault -- it was their gun the kid used ?

    I would hold his parents just as responsible for this tragedy as the law is holding the 11 year old boy responsible .

    And that goes for any shooting case , for any shooting accident committed by a minor : jail for the guardian .


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    Comparing gun control to vehicular manslaughter is not a very fair comparison, but if you wish to do so lets try:

    You can, and it will soon become the car's fault. It is going to happen that cars will be fitted with alcohol detection systems, such that the car is immobilised and will not start if the driver is intoxicated. Driver-less cars are here now too and will become the norm in the coming decades.

    How to stop a person driving drunk? Engineer in and mandate controls that stop the car from being driven when the driver is intoxicated. Or remove the driver from responsibility during operation of the car. These are technically possible and will happen. This is a real possibility to reduce drunk driver murders down to ~0.

    How to stop a person from shooting a gun at the "wrong person"? Introduce some test for mental health, or stupidity - though I find these will be difficult for most guns to do "on-the-fly" (sarcasm). Another option is to remove high risk guns from circulation. People will always be stupid and mentally ill. People will always get irrationally angry and act impulsively on emotional response. Very, very difficult to design a gun that will compensate for that. Or a human that won't have these flaws.


    Best to try and do some sane and reasonable measure to stop nutjobs letting fly with automatic weapons in a cinema or a school. If he had a hunting knife, or a bolt action rifle, would his civil liberties be in any way impeded? He'd still be able to hunt and defend himself, he just couldn't kill 25-50 people in a matter of seconds.
    Gonzo ,

    You disappoint me with your turn at sarcasm .

    This matter -- in my opinion -- is much more serious than to toy with sarcasm .

    Getting into car makes and models and the future of automobiles !! Tzk .


    In my opinion no civilised society should allow assault weapons into its citizens hands . Period .

    In my opinion an assault rifle is acceptable only on the battlefield or in the hands of law enforcement. .

    No exceptions !


    On the other hand , I also do own a gun. A snub-nose two and a half inch barrel 5 round .38 revolver.

    I like having it , I own it for personal protection , I occasionally go to the shooting range to practice , and it is never

    far from my side when I'm at home . My neighborhood knows I own a gun , I'm very comfortable with it .

    And guess what ? The friendly neighborhood burglar will likely target a home where there is No known gun in the house

    : A shotgun is also an effective home intruder deterrent : have you ever heard a 12 gauge being cocked !?*

    That intruder will be turning on his heels in a mighty rush to get the heck away from your home -- lest it's personal

    business he has with you .



    Hunting rifles are a survival necessity for large swaths of American society . Large parts of Midwest , Northwest ,

    Alaska , Louisiana , Florida , etc. people depend on their hunting to eat . Period .

    But even they don't use assault weapons .


    I think what's going on back home is a disgrace and a tragedy all in one .

    Why oh why would a city dwelling civilian person ever need to own an assault rifle / automatic weapon !?

    (Then again , in knowledgable hands , a semi automatic pistol can be converted into full auto in less than 5 mins )

    They should be outlawed out and done with . Offer a reward for each one turned in . A high reward .

    Would get some guns off the streets --- except the guns in the hands of criminals .

    And then , so , what have we achieved ? Perhaps hope that they will just be killing each other and not target schools ?

    It's a mess .


    When I bought my own gun some 20 years ago , they have just introduced the Brady Bill (I think Clinton pushed it

    through ?) . It required a five day waiting period , so they could do background checks etc.

    But there are Loopholes !!! This debate has been going on for years !!! --- anyone can go to a Gunshow and

    purchase -- for cash -- any weapon on sale . And many times that includes ridiculous weaponry that no sane civilian

    person should ever need nor want imo .

    These are the areas that should need fixing !

    Further : if anyone is even just caught with an assault rifle / automatic weapon in possession , it should mean

    mandatory immediate jail time. First offence , off you go . But of course that would just play into the hands of the

    illegal weapons dealers hands : higher profit etc . So many angles , so many stumbling blocks to a coherent and

    effective legislation.... but , ...

    But wait ! There already WAS a Federal Assault Weapons Ban !! Bush allowed it to lapse in 2004 .




    End of story :

    Would need to reinstate the Federal AWB (assault weapons ban) asap ,

    and do more thorough background checks on all .

    : But you cannot take the (reasonable) guns away from law abiding citizens .
    I do what I want. I cannot do otherwise.

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    As far as gun control is concerned, America is fucked. There are far too many guns in circulation for any reasonable effort to reduce ownership. And when you get idiots like the nra and vince vaughn advocating more guns in a bid to combat gun crime, there is little if no chance of any more controls being brought in. Also weapons manufacturers have too much money to spend on lobbying, the result being that politicians are not minded to change the status quo.

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    I'm am fucking disgusted at these responses

    Not one of ye have mentioned zombies

    Well I guess when it happens your going be the spas who instead of shooting the person comming to eat u in the head ur going be silly and get eaten

    I hope your last taughts are should listen to annabel

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabel taylor View Post
    I'm am fucking disgusted at these responses

    Not one of ye have mentioned zombies

    Well I guess when it happens your going be the spas who instead of shooting the person comming to eat u in the head ur going be silly and get eaten

    I hope your last taughts are should listen to annabel


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    I want a cross bow making arrows is easier when supplies runout reuseable

    Luna thinks I secretly look foward to zombies lol

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    In short give an Idiot or deranged moron a gun and they kill people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie View Post
    You disappoint me with your turn at sarcasm .

    This matter -- in my opinion -- is much more serious than to toy with sarcasm .

    Getting into car makes and models and the future of automobiles !! Tzk .

    Hi Stephanie,

    there was in fact no sarcasm in there. I genuinely mean it about the cars. It is not a clear comparison between drunk driving and reckless gun ownership because there are means that can be implemented to stop drunk driving. However I do not see a clear way to stop idiots or emotionally disjointed people from using a tool that has only one purpose in the wrong manner.


    I work in an industry that examines failures and tries to correct or prevent them from recurring. So to me to say,

    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie View Post
    In this particular case yes , very clearly it was the boys' parents fault -- it was their gun the kid used ?

    I would hold his parents just as responsible for this tragedy as the law is holding the 11 year old boy responsible .

    And that goes for any shooting case , for any shooting accident committed by a minor : jail for the guardian .
    is not acceptable. If this was an isolated case, there may be some validity, but it happens over and over and over and over. The answer stares people in the face but nobody wants to do anything about it.

    I've lived in the States, and I understand most of your opinion, as well as the necessity to have guns as tools - and in the aspects that you go on to state, I agree. It is silly to think that an outright gun ban would work or even be sensible. I think we agree that that automatic weapons have no place in civilian possession. Gotta love David Letterman - miss him

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    Quote Originally Posted by justfrank44 View Post
    As far as gun control is concerned, America is fucked. There are far too many guns in circulation for any reasonable effort to reduce ownership. And when you get idiots like the nra and vince vaughn advocating more guns in a bid to combat gun crime, there is little if no chance of any more controls being brought in. Also weapons manufacturers have too much money to spend on lobbying, the result being that politicians are not minded to change the status quo.
    Says it all really
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabel taylor View Post
    I want a cross bow making arrows is easier when supplies runout reuseable

    Luna thinks I secretly look foward to zombies lol
    Guns don't kill people , clampers do!
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    link please
    Guns don't kill people rappers do.
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