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    Quote Originally Posted by Sexy Sandy 69 View Post
    If anyone currently visits an escort whom they suspect is trafficked, they can report this anonymously by ringing a confidential telephone number. When this law comes in, if guys have visited anyone they suspect is trafficked, never in a month of Sundays are they ever going to ring & report this, confidential phone line or not. Therefore, when Ruhuma proclaim that this law will protect trafficked victims, it will not, they are going to be trapped with no-one willing to report their plight. How can this aid or assist trafficked victims? I've also said this many times before, who is helping those trafficked into farming/catering/childcare? No-one, as these industries don't sell as many papers or make the headlines as much as the sex industry does.

    I find the idea of trafficking as abhorrent as anyone else, however, this law does not solve or help trafficked victims. If Ruhuma truly want to help trafficked victims they would listen to the arguments of sex workers, but they don't & never will.

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    great post, my sentiments exactly x

    This new law is a crime in itself against the real victims of trafficking.

    Nat x

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidontour View Post
    I would entirely agree. None of the sex workers I've met appeared in any way coerced and in most cases were more than happy to chat openly and often well over the appointment time. They complained about time wasters, 'do-gooders', the new law and in one case about a reporter, but none of their words or actions suggested coercion.

    Probably not that surprising when the actual figures are looked at. According to TORL, there were ''87 trafficked women selling sex in Galway'' just before Christmas, yet when the Gardai raided 23 premises nationwide the following week, not a single trafficked women was found.

    It comes down to definition. Legally, coercion needs to be proved and since the majority of sex workers in Ireland are not coerced, the NGOs need to justify their funding by redefining trafficking as simply the movement of sex workers. Unfortunately these definitions are not made clear and the public have little real knowledge on the subject.

    The problem with NGOs focusing almost exclusively on sex work and deliberately giving out misinformation is that genuinely coerced victims in other areas, such as labouring, agriculture and childcare are often missed.

    Sooner or later there will be an expose done on the trafficking issue, but in the meantime the ones who suffer are the sex workers who are there by choice. For certain organisations, that is of course the whole point.

    Appointment well over time is a stand out phrase there, U sound like a terrific client

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    Sorry if it's already been said, but the word 'trafficked' has been manipulated so much, it no longer has a significant meaning. We would think (as would the general public) it meant taken against their will and forced into prostitution, but the reality is, if I am given a lift from my house to the airport (as a favour) I am being trafficked as I work in the sex trade.

    This means that if a lady elects to be a sex worker in Ireland and is given support to get here, then she is trafficked, despite the fact that she is actively pursuing the career choice.

    I really think the term needs to be defined for legal reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CurvaceousKate View Post
    Sorry if it's already been said, but the word 'trafficked' has been manipulated so much, it no longer has a significant meaning. We would think (as would the general public) it meant taken against their will and forced into prostitution, but the reality is, if I am given a lift from my house to the airport (as a favour) I am being trafficked as I work in the sex trade.

    This means that if a lady elects to be a sex worker in Ireland and is given support to get here, then she is trafficked, despite the fact that she is actively pursuing the career choice.

    I really think the term needs to be defined for legal reasons.
    FFS!!! I have been a trafficker for years and never realised it. God knows how many times I have given an escort friend a lift from one town to another or to the airport

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catriona View Post
    What's funny about this is often when I have debated Ruhama or others at student debates, such as Mia De Faoite who worked on the streets many years ago say there's no true independents out there and are really constantly being threatened by "gangsters", getting knocks at their door etc. This is when they get really desperate in their arguing and know their losing.

    They'll say anything to win people over to their ideology.
    "The mass of men live lives of quiet desperation" - Henry David Thoreau.

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    Besides the urban myths of 'trafficked women' and 'gangsters' there is one more myth that should be addressed; the'police'. The girls that I have known have got on well with the police and found them to be responsive and helpful when required. It always appeared to me that if a girl was genuinely independent, honest, drug-free and over age, then the police were largely supportive. So, a big 'thumbs up' in that regard. Credit where credit is due.

    Others may have had different experiences, I can only speak about what I have known. I should also say that the girls that I have known have largely worked in Dublin and experiences may be different elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidontour View Post
    Excellent view and excellent quote Meursault. Too bad such concepts are beyond the mental capacity of the average Dail or Stormont member.
    this is it. no offence to men and women who marry, all they are doing is prostituting themselves. like Nietzsche said very few people own themselves. very few people command their own life. we think we are free but not really. the shackles are invisible
    "The mass of men live lives of quiet desperation" - Henry David Thoreau.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabel taylor View Post
    Appointment well over time is a stand out phrase there, U sound like a terrific client
    Yes I can confirm that, he is brilliant, especially due to the fact that he does as he is told and leaves the second the time is up, or when you tell him to. No being slow to get dressed, or taking the piss. He is as straight up as they come.

    I can see how some girls may run over with him though, as he is very easy to talk to and has an intelligent mind. I guess some girls just want a bit of company at the end of a booking? Not really fair to judge him on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CurvaceousKate View Post
    Yes I can confirm that, he is brilliant, especially due to the fact that he does as he is told and leaves the second the time is up, or when you tell him to. No being slow to get dressed, or taking the piss. He is as straight up as they come.

    I can see how some girls may run over with him though, as he is very easy to talk to and has an intelligent mind. I guess some girls just want a bit of company at the end of a booking? Not really fair to judge him on that.
    The irony is that escorting can be a lonely profession. I have found that most escorts like to have a laugh and a chat afterwards and I enjoy their company. I get around the time issue by simply asking 'how are we doing for time?' The escort can either say 'we are ok for a while' or 'sorry, I have to finish now as someone is coming'. Any overtime for me is strictly friendship, I would never abuse the girl by trying anything physical outside the time paid for.

    It is this desire on the part of escorts to communicate and talk about themselves even when they do not have great English that makes it impossible for me to believe that any of the girls that I have met could have been 'trafficked'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mexicanpete View Post
    The irony is that escorting can be a lonely profession. I have found that most escorts like to have a laugh and a chat afterwards and I enjoy their company. I get around the time issue by simply asking 'how are we doing for time?' The escort can either say 'we are ok for a while' or 'sorry, I have to finish now as someone is coming'. Any overtime for me is strictly friendship, I would never abuse the girl by trying anything physical outside the time paid for.

    It is this desire on the part of escorts to communicate and talk about themselves even when they do not have great English that makes it impossible for me to believe that any of the girls that I have met could have been 'trafficked'.
    Plus a lady working under duress does not have that flexibility to talk after time, as she would be told off for wasting time (I imagine). You are right though, it can be very lonely, especially for those that do work alone. If you click with a client and have common ground, then it is up to them if they have a chat afterwards or not. As long as it is not 'expected' and as you have stated, the client is mindful of the time, then it's totally their business.

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