The elepant in the room

[Lucy Chambers]

there was a very public court case about entrapment

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/an...-26800900.html

I cna't remember if these charges were dismissed later on?

Ya, but that's ROI. Any idea on the north.? God knows what they have cooked up at Stormont. I'm pretty sure they were charged in Limerick and taken to court, weren't there suicides?

[Dub Lad]

I've no idea about the North as for the suicide, I thought there was one man, I just googled it and it did show up but I did come across this opinion peace

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/an...-26803145.html

[TonyStark]

A client told me that both entrapment and phone tapping is illegal in Northern Ireland. Anybody know if true?

Not sure about that but if true and they are intending on jumping on fellas leaving apartments or hotels being staked out which would be known as entrapment then it's a bit funny that they are intending to do us committing some "illegal" by illegal means lol

As for the new law when it comes, if a policeman asks me what I was doing in an apartment, I'll ask what business is it of theres. I'm not gonna hang myself and it's up to them to prove I've done anything wrong. As a cute Serbian lady once told me, when I was worried about walking past people on the way to her room, "you're going to see a friend, what's the problem?"

I'm not sure if I'm gonna go dark for a few months when the new law comes in, but if I'm still visiting friends, they will be friends I've already been with who are probably members here that can be contacted by pm until the police bugger off to catch people actually commiting crimes.

[Lucy Chambers]

Not sure about that but if true and they are intending on jumping on fellas leaving apartments or hotels being staked out which would be known as entrapment then it's a bit funny that they are intending to do us committing some "illegal" by illegal means lol

As for the new law when it comes, if a policeman asks me what I was doing in an apartment, I'll ask what business is it of theres. I'm not gonna hang myself and it's up to them to prove I've done anything wrong. As a cute Serbian lady once told me, when I was worried about walking past people on the way to her room, "you're going to see a friend, what's the problem?"

I'm not sure if I'm gonna go dark for a few months when the new law comes in, but if I'm still visiting friends, they will be friends I've already been with who are probably members here that can be contacted by pm until the police bugger off to catch people actually commiting crimes.

That wouldn't be entrapment. Entrapment would be to pretend to be an escort and place an advert, that type of thing. Waiting outside apartments is surveillance,

[Danish Pia]

OK, found it

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-30029190.html



Northern Ireland are not allowed to use phone tapping or surveillance unlike England.

[Lucy Chambers]

OK, found it

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-30029190.html



Northern Ireland are not allowed to use phone tapping or surveillance unlike England.

They aren't allowed to use surveillance? I can't imagine they will be able to do that, they are supposedly looking for traffickers.

[TonyStark]

That wouldn't be entrapment. Entrapment would be to pretend to be an escort and place an advert, that type of thing. Waiting outside apartments is surveillance,

OK, found it

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-30029190.html



Northern Ireland are not allowed to use phone tapping or surveillance unlike England.

I guess my misunderstanding of entrapment, which sounds completely illegal, is actually illegal as well.

If surveillance is illegal, then how are the police going to catch anyone because they would have to be watching an apartment for fellas on their phones and leaving apartments 30 mins later lol

[Danish Pia]

They aren't allowed to use surveillance? I can't imagine they will be able to do that, they are supposedly looking for traffickers.

That is what the senior officers state in the article.

[Dub Lad]

I've said this alot, the only change that will happen with this law will be to discourage people from visiting escorts, they'll do this once I think.

They will arrest 1 person, that person will be dragged to court, they will be shamed, they will make the 6:01 evening news, the headlines will read "man arrested in first case with new laws" something like that, the new lady will narrate the story as the video plays of you being taken into court.. "50 year old Damien with an address in swindles town".

The question is, will you be "that" person. After that I really can't see the gardai doing much more, after all they have more important things to do like stopping school children in the pissing rain cycling to school at 8am on foothpaths....

[Danish Pia]

I guess my misunderstanding of entrapment, which sounds completely illegal, is actually illegal as well.

If surveillance is illegal, then how are the police going to catch anyone because they would have to be watching an apartment for fellas on their phones and leaving apartments 30 mins later lol

My thought is that the police thinks the law is an arse which it is. Of course they have to use surveillance for most crimes.