Criminalising punters: Talk on Radio

[Curious k]

Creative, as in turn up as a client to interview the escort? Or creative as pretend to be an escort and entrap clients? How far would you like this creative to go? Nonsense. Much better the gentleman asks politely for willing people. Or victims. Stop being so defensive it smacks of hysteria.


@Andy. I would be happy to have a chat, via email. Drop me a message and I can supply my email address.

You've completely taken my point out of context. Don't start talking garbage about entrapment and hysteria, I've suggested nothing to suggest so.

Of course you're willing to give him an interview, and I wonder what your view point on the subject is. Ridiculous, everyone knows your viewpoint as it something that directly affects you, so of course your view is easily dismissed by the opposing parties pushing for this law to be introduced.

To be honest, I've only given my opinion and it's a good one. Why? Because I know how things like this work. Escorts needn't get touchy because I'm speaking about a public matter, and suggesting the public got involved.

I'm not gonna bother talking about this again, as I'm coming off as some bad guy, because people aren't getting my points, or just don't wanna hear the truth. Sam was right when he said fair play to that guy because nobody else was doing anything and anyone that does is pushed aside. So you stick with that if you like, but the counter arguments sound terrible and are gaining no support. Either start thinking of coming from a different angle, or forget about it.

Pray all you want that I'm not part of your defence, but the people I've heard speak on the subject so far haven't exactly done it any favours. In fact, if it continues in the circle I referred too, surely the introduction of the law is a dead cert. Which is why I suggested bringing in objective third party views, both good and bad.

[Curious k]

Come again?

Surely if it adds to the chorus then it is to be welcomed rather than scorned? You also can't presume that the opinions and reasoning of both punters and escorts is tacitly understood by Joe Public, that's not how it works. Your argument for creative journalism may well be something separate unless you are familiar with this journalist's work, otherwise you're making presumptions regarding the context these interviews will be presented in.

But yes, maybe interviews from the general public should also be included to balance it.

"Come again"? I already said it, so I don't know what you want me to do?

You might think it is welcomed, but it's the same thing over again, and that's not a great debate. Am I familiar with his work? Certainly not! But I do now he's a Belfast Journalist that did nothing for the subject in it's earlier introduction stages, now suddenly the law is passed in Belfast he wants to hear from clients, all confidential of course. Maybe people on hear should be more weary of him than me. I've already spoke on other threads that freelance journalists will have a field day with this law, and he's no different, IMO.

Of course Joe Public is aware of an escorts viewpoint on this subject. In fact, what's stopping Joe Public believing that the escorts and clients speaking highly of the industry aren't illegal traffickers themselves, or others working for such to protect a crime ring? The only way is to include third parties. Give people a voice. At least it takes the bias out of the current arguments both for and against.

[Curvaceous Kate]

You've completely taken my point out of context. Don't start talking garbage about entrapment and hysteria, I've suggested nothing to suggest so.

Of course you're willing to give him an interview, and I wonder what your view point on the subject is. Ridiculous, everyone knows your viewpoint as it something that directly affects you, so of course your view is easily dismissed by the opposing parties pushing for this law to be introduced.

To be honest, I've only given my opinion and it's a good one. Why? Because I know how things like this work. Escorts needn't get touchy because I'm speaking about a public matter, and suggesting the public got involved.

I'm not gonna bother talking about this again, as I'm coming off as some bad guy, because people aren't getting my points, or just don't wanna hear the truth. Sam was right when he said fair play to that guy because nobody else was doing anything and anyone that does is pushed aside. So you stick with that if you like, but the counter arguments sound terrible and are gaining no support. Either start thinking of coming from a different angle, or forget about it.

Pray all you want that I'm not part of your defence, but the people I've heard speak on the subject so far haven't exactly done it any favours. In fact, if it continues in the circle I referred too, surely the introduction of the law is a dead cert. Which is why I suggested bringing in objective third party views, both good and bad.

Do you remember Mary? She has been on several radio shows as a member of the general public and giving her point of view. Sadly her point of view was purely moral and did not account for anything other than the stereotypes given out there and she was not prepared to listen or reason with what was being said.

In this matter, why would Andy come on here to ask for members of the public? How do you know this avenue was not already being covered? Would it not have been better to have asked if he was also interviewing members of the public and reiterate that you feel that would be a more balanced view than to assume that it is not being addressed?

He came here to get the voice of the clients and the Escorts. I just don't see how that can be criticized, as he would find it much harder to get that in Tesco or at the local library. He came to the right place.

I'd also like to say that it is wrong and unfair to assume that all Sex Workers are going to have exactly the same view. This is not true. There are some that champion legalisation, some decriminalization and others think it is going to be business as usual. We all have a right to an opinion and we are all individuals. Please do not talk about us like a collective.

[Jiberjabber]

"Come again"? I already said it, so I don't know what you want me to do?

You might think it is welcomed, but it's the same thing over again, and that's not a great debate. Am I familiar with his work? Certainly not! But I do now he's a Belfast Journalist that did nothing for the subject in it's earlier introduction stages, now suddenly the law is passed in Belfast he wants to hear from clients, all confidential of course. Maybe people on hear should be more weary of him than me. I've already spoke on other threads that freelance journalists will have a field day with this law, and he's no different, IMO.

Of course Joe Public is aware of an escorts viewpoint on this subject. In fact, what's stopping Joe Public believing that the escorts and clients speaking highly of the industry aren't illegal traffickers themselves, or others working for such to protect a crime ring? The only way is to include third parties. Give people a voice. At least it takes the bias out of the current arguments both for and against.

I get ya, thanks for elucidating. You have more faith in Joe Public's lack of bias than I do.

[Lucy Chambers]

You've completely taken my point out of context. Don't start talking garbage about entrapment and hysteria, I've suggested nothing to suggest so.

Of course you're willing to give him an interview, and I wonder what your view point on the subject is. Ridiculous, everyone knows your viewpoint as it something that directly affects you, so of course your view is easily dismissed by the opposing parties pushing for this law to be introduced.

To be honest, I've only given my opinion and it's a good one. Why? Because I know how things like this work. Escorts needn't get touchy because I'm speaking about a public matter, and suggesting the public got involved.

Snip

There was no context to your point. You were framing your reply in a very defensive way but the crux, get creative about interviewing, is somewhat skewed. Also after seeing many exposes on escorts, I don't like the idea of creativity to gain insight into my work. Hence my comment. Your average person on the street won't admit to seeing prostitutes or being one so I'm afraid you are left with the not very interesting people who do actually work in the industry. Sorry about that, wheres a good Mori poll when you need one?


One thing I did pick out of your rant was that you understand how these things work. Well then me duck, get off the computer and do something then, because I'm afraid harrying posters here is of limited value. Unless of cause that is all you intend to do, in which case, wisht.

[Mickey O leary]

Too little too late really as the Bill is passed and that's it.
Them lousy lot is Stormont couldn't care less now.

[Empirical]

Given the law change which will make it a criminal offence to buy sex I'm going to interview a few of the escorts from this site and other for a radio programme.

I'm also interested in talking to escort's clients.

Are you willing to express how you feel about the new laws, and what you will do once they are enacted? I'd really like to include your voices.

You can message me if you are willing to talk.

Of course I will protect the anonymity of those who are willing to contribute if they want.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Andy

1. Look at the survey which the DoJ got QUB to do.

2. If still interested, send me a PM.

[liffey]

1. Look at the survey which the DoJ got QUB to do, and which the politicians then ignored.

2. If still interested, send me a PM.

Fixed that for you, Empirical, sorry

[Prickly]

I would prefer that the media would look at and question the legality of this sort of legislation, the whole subject of lobbying and the statistics / research that's being tossed about. It's great interviewing clients and escorts - if your object is to entertain - but why not interview barristers, human rights people and those who have conducted independent research. Lobbying and 'consultation' has had it's day - the only thing that will stop the wheels turning now is legal action.

[dob]

Creativity example.
Years and years ago, when the well know chick lit author Kathy Kelly worked as a 'journalist' for the Sunday world, she attended the women's health project posing as a sex worker and spoke with some of the women queuing up for health checks and free condoms, and naturally wrote some of their stories.
Some time later one of these women was on a radio talk show talking about her life and was absolutely livid about Katy kelly conning her into providing prurient details for her story.