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Than i will charge for the phone conversation 100€ 1 min, 200€ 2mins, than come over and we have free sex. Having sex freely is not illegal..Originally Posted by UglyMugs.ie
"...only criminalise ‘sexual services’ where the buyer is physically in the presence of the seller, i.e. it will not criminalise the buying of remote services like phone sex or webcam sex."
bollocks (09-12-14), happygolucky (09-12-14), scotty123 (19-12-14)
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You might have something there Marsha.Originally Posted by marsha
Or you could become a sex therapist and we could all
Get a severe bout of Erectile Dysfunction.
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I had a similar conversation with one of my client about this, how to hand the money without actually handing it? Pay on a website online and come over after, maybe it could work?
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PayPal maybe.
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It will mean the end of the poor auld Envelope of cash
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NO NO NO NO NO!
Too many records, too much of an audit trail, and it can - and will - be used against you in court. As will everything else they find on your computer and phone(s).
That's why the threat of going to court is sufficient to make most people plead guilty and pay up.
The only online payment that might work is Bitcoin, and that's only if the escort's computer does not tie the payment back to the client or identify the client in any way. Ever.
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What do you think the paypal payment would be headed under? Sex worker? Could it not be under 'Masseur' 'therapist' 'counselling' 'life coach' etc. Surely a Sex Worker with half a brain would create a business name that was acceptable, normalised and not something that screams... sex for sale!???? Maybe?
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Kate, in a reasonable world you'd be right. And in a reasonable world busybodies wouldn't be trying to interfere in what happens between consenting adults in private
Unfortunately "payment" in Irish law covers anything you can think of.
The definition of "sexual services" will probably be as wide as possible, certainly at the beginning unless the Attorney General steps in to narrow it. I don't expect her to be minded to do so, they'll probably leave it to the courts. The government will certainly aim for it to include "massage" and BDSM, so basically it'll be whatever the judge says it is until proven otherwise.
The PayPal approach has some problems:
First, in Ireland there are only two ways to get money out of a PayPal account, either a) send it to someone else which is of limited use or b) transfer it to a bank account. You can only link a PayPal account to one bank account at a time, and thanks to our wonderful anti-money-laundering law that links back to your real name and address.
Second, Paypal (being run by American Prudes and under pressure from the US DoJ) will not deal with anything related to "sexual services". It's in their T&Cs. If they get so much as a hint that the account holder is doing anything remotely sexy, for example by their own monitoring or a tip-off email or anonymous phone call, they will suspend the account immediately. It is practically impossible to get the account unfrozen. Any money in the account will be lost, you'll never see it again. The bank account can also be frozen in some circumstances.
Third, any other email addresses linked to that account will also come under suspicion and any linked accounts are likely to be frozen as well.
Fourth, you can't set up a business PayPal account without a VAT number, and anything remotely like massage or coaching will sooner or later get the account frozen "temporarily" while they "review" it and make you send in copies of training certificates etc.
Trust me, you really really don't want to go down the PayPal route.
Last edited by liffey; 10-12-14 at 16:51.
mature abby (11-12-14)
Does anyone remember those farms which straddled the border, and the farmer had a choice as to which gate to sell his animals from.
Maybe escorts could benefit
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Oh, and I forgot to mention...
When PayPal freezes your account, you get a nice email telling you all about it, and giving you 7 or 10 days (I don't remember which, it's very short) to provide whatever paperwork they want. That might include bank statements, by the way.
Failure to comply by the deadline will result in your account being closed.
Have a nice day, and your custom is important to us...
Last edited by liffey; 10-12-14 at 21:28.
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