Criminal law (sexual offences) bill 2014

[milkman]

This legislation is way worse news for sex workers than clients.

It appears that two girls working together will STILL be criminalised . A €500 fine for 1st offence in the highly unlikely situation that you'll get caught.A €1,000 fine for subsequent catch if dumb enough to get caught.

Sex workers ARE deliberately targeted here ,not clients.

[naturis]

I still don't know how they can proof sexual activity unless they put in secret cameras in the room or burst in and watch you having sex ??

[naturis]

This is the procedure it will follow / has begun following
(For anyone curious about timeframes etc .......or how it actually comes to be legislation)



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so roughly when will it be passed ??

[Yamser]

while this is being discussed by the senead can citizens visit to make there discussions ? or is it just the wankers that are overpaid and robbing us blind that get to make decissions


but hopefully more than half the lads in the senad see escorts and vote no lol

[dob]

More from the bill, flashers and public masurbaters beware!

Head 57 Exposure, sexual behaviour in public, etc.
Provide that -
(1) A person who exposes his or her genital region is guilty of an offence, if he or she does so to cause fear, distress or alarm to another person or intends such, or, having regard to all the circumstances, fear, distress or alarm is likely to be caused to another person.
(2) A person who intentionally engages in sexual activity, whether or not such activity is with another person, in a public place, is guilty of an offence.
(3) Where a member of the Garda Síochána finds a person committing an offence under this section or suspects that a person has committed an offence under this section, the member may arrest such person without warrant.
(4) A person found guilty of an offence under this head shall be liable –

(a) on summary conviction, to a class D fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months, or both; or
(b) on conviction on indictment, to a class C fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years, or both.

[philipkntz]

More from the bill, flashers and public masurbaters beware!

Head 57 Exposure, sexual behaviour in public, etc.
Provide that -
(1) A person who exposes his or her genital region is guilty of an offence, if he or she does so to cause fear, distress or alarm to another person or intends such, or, having regard to all the circumstances, fear, distress or alarm is likely to be caused to another person.
(2) A person who intentionally engages in sexual activity, whether or not such activity is with another person, in a public place, is guilty of an offence.
(3) Where a member of the Garda Síochána finds a person committing an offence under this section or suspects that a person has committed an offence under this section, the member may arrest such person without warrant.
(4) A person found guilty of an offence under this head shall be liable –

(a) on summary conviction, to a class D fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months, or both; or
(b) on conviction on indictment, to a class C fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years, or both.

That is rediculous, a person or couple, even a married couple, could be arrested if a garda suspected that they had made love in a public place. Well I'm guilty several times over, lock me up and throw away the keys. What is the world comming to, it'l soon be more acceptable to rob, rape, terrorise and kill than it is to make love.

Regarding prostitution, even if I was a married man that never visited a working girl. I'd like to have the right to pay a consenting lady for her services, should I become single at some future time.

Its time this government were sent packing.

[xagerate]

so roughly when will it be passed ??

I aint that well up on legal red tape.
Don't know
(My post was primarily to let others just see the amount of stages it has to go through....how quick it can be signed off I don't know)

[dob]

Head 41 Amendment of section 2 of the Act of 1908 (Incest by a female)
Provide that -
The act of 1908, as amended by the 1935 Act, is amended by the substitution of the following section for section 2:
"2. Any female person of or over the age of 17 years who with consent permits her grandfather, father, brother, or son to have carnal knowledge of her (knowing him to be her grandfather, father, brother, or son, as the case may be) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for life or a lesser term of imprisonment


I know incest is fucked up, but do you think the person described above should potentially be sent to prison for life?

[Stephanie]

Head 41 Amendment of section 2 of the Act of 1908 (Incest by a female)
Provide that -
The act of 1908, as amended by the 1935 Act, is amended by the substitution of the following section for section 2:
"2. Any female person of or over the age of 17 years who with consent permits her grandfather, father, brother, or son to have carnal knowledge of her (knowing him to be her grandfather, father, brother, or son, as the case may be) shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for life or a lesser term of imprisonment


I know incest is fucked up, but do you think the person described above should potentially be sent to prison for life?

That's messed up.

So a little girl is raped on an ongoing basis by her grandfather / father / brother , all through her life , all the way to her

late teens , and when she turns 17 and the abuse is still occurring , she can be prosecuted for incest ????? What madness !

The only case where the female could be perceived as a predator is if a mother engages in "carnal knowledge" of her son.

In all other scenarios the female would be a Victim !! To be prosecuted !??


Survivors of incest / adult victims of incest will be much less likely to come forward if they have such thing hanging over them.

Yeay ! More power to the predators !

: Am in equal measure aghast , incredulous , ticked off outraged.

[RodeoMan]

That's messed up.

So a little girl is raped on an ongoing basis by her grandfather / father / brother , all through her life , all the way to her

late teens , and when she turns 17 and the abuse is still occurring , she can be prosecuted for incest ????? What madness !

The only case where the female could be perceived as a predator is if a mother engages in "carnal knowledge" of her son.

In all other scenarios the female would be a Victim !! To be prosecuted !??


Survivors of incest / adult victims of incest will be much less likely to come forward if they have such thing hanging over them.

Yeay ! More power to the predators !

: Am in equal measure aghast , incredulous , ticked off outraged.

when are these laws coming into practice, have they to be voted in or are they active now, in other words can we punt this weekend without the fear of these new laws