Paedophile Next Door

[Curvaceous Kate]

I've just been watching this on ch. 4.

What I'm most surprised about is the fact that there is a blanket assumption that anyone who is attracted to children (paedophile) is a rapist. This also reminded me of the way the law will be going, which says anyone who pays for sex is a rapist.

Here is the programme > Paedophile Next Door

I can't understand why they think it is a radical idea to help someone who has acknowledged they are attracted to young children combat their desires and keep on the straight and narrow.

One thing that did come to light that I did not understand before, is that a paedophile could easily be attracted to any female of any age, so they are not restricted to young people to have sexual desire and that in my mind makes it a lot easier to combat and distract from.

What are your feelings on this topic? Please bear in mind that when the law changes and clause 6 is included, you will be tarred with the same brush as these people, so maybe time to take a little more time to understand how it must feel to be in that position, to be having the finger pointed at you, even when you would never dream of acting upon your desires and would never hurt someone or have sex without consent.

Do we think too simplistically generally on sexual matters or should there be a blanket assumption that anyone who is a paedophile will offend and should be put in prison?

[xagerate]

If youre right in what you say ,I gotta read this clause 6 fast.

[Curvaceous Kate]

If youre right in what you say ,I gotta read this clause 6 fast.

The fact that they are making it a criminal offense to buy sex should tell you that this is what it is about. They are making the assumption that no woman would choose to be a sex worker, therefore there is no consent, which leads to rape.

[Meursault]

The fact that they are making it a criminal offense to buy sex should tell you that this is what it is about. They are making the assumption that no woman would choose to be a sex worker, therefore there is no consent, which leads to rape.

they are selling it as that. i also think its a pre election gimmick (FG desperate for votes) and also economical in that they want to compel men to marry and have families. The new justice minister is a pseudo-feminist and sees prostitution as wrong, but marriage as positive, even though they are pretty much the same thing

[xagerate]

The fact that they are making it a criminal offense to buy sex should tell you that this is what it is about. They are making the assumption that no woman would choose to be a sex worker, therefore there is no consent, which leads to rape.

Like I said....im gonna have to read more in depth as to the gravity the legislation proposes to put on this law being broken (The purchasing of sex)
You are more up to speed on it than me im happy to admit...but if what you said there is correct,the changes to how things currently work will be a lot bigger than I initially thought. (If breaking the new law was to be in any way seen on a par legally as rape,they might just get what they desire........drasctically reduced numbers of clients)

(Is this the NI or Republic proposals you refer to?)

[Curvaceous Kate]

Like I said....im gonna have to read more in depth as to the gravity the legislation proposes to put on this law being broken (The purchasing of sex)
You are more up to speed on it than me im happy to admit...but if what you said there is correct,the changes to how things currently work will be a lot bigger than I initially thought. (If breaking the new law was to be in any way seen on a par legally as rape,they might just get what they desire........drasctically reduced numbers of clients)

(Is this the NI or Republic proposals you refer to?)

The principle will be the same, but they will be tailored to the expectations of the governments involved, so there will be variants. We will have to wait and see in both cases.

[xagerate]

The principle will be the same, but they will be tailored to the expectations of the governments involved, so there will be variants. We will have to wait and see in both cases.

I suppose so.
What im unclear about though (maybe you are more informed)...........If the law is introduced in either jurisdiction,have they been talking about it being a law with sufficient gravity that anyone breaking it is fair game to be put on a sex offenders register? Or are they generally talking about fines,threats of possible prison sentences or naming and shaming like other more traditional laws

(I know it wont be concrete till its actually agreed and in law but im curious about what they have been suggesting)

[mykey]

Well put. The Swedish model has failed and these people rush to adopt it. WTF.

[Redkingirish]

Paedophiles are most definately rapists in that non consensual/forced sex is rape. To prey on a minor/adolescent is wrong on every level. However, I do believe that a custodial sentence is not the simple answer to what is a physcological affliction. Incarceration will not change their persona or desires, merely delay the inevitable until their release into society. Surely in this age of advanced medicine and supposed counselling, some form of treatment should be devised to deter the convicted upon their release rather than the " off you go mate, times served " mentality which seems to prevail with no thought of preventative rehabilitation.
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I've just been watching this on ch. 4.

What I'm most surprised about is the fact that there is a blanket assumption that anyone who is attracted to children (paedophile) is a rapist. This also reminded me of the way the law will be going, which says anyone who pays for sex is a rapist.

Here is the programme > Paedophile Next Door

I can't understand why they think it is a radical idea to help someone who has acknowledged they are attracted to young children combat their desires and keep on the straight and narrow.

One thing that did come to light that I did not understand before, is that a paedophile could easily be attracted to any female of any age, so they are not restricted to young people to have sexual desire and that in my mind makes it a lot easier to combat and distract from.

What are your feelings on this topic? Please bear in mind that when the law changes and clause 6 is included, you will be tarred with the same brush as these people, so maybe time to take a little more time to understand how it must feel to be in that position, to be having the finger pointed at you, even when you would never dream of acting upon your desires and would never hurt someone or have sex without consent.

Do we think too simplistically generally on sexual matters or should there be a blanket assumption that anyone who is a paedophile will offend and should be put in prison?

[Curvaceous Kate]

Paedophiles are most definately rapists in that non consensual/forced sex is rape. To prey on a minor/adolescent is wrong on every level. However, I do believe that a custodial sentence is not the simple answer to what is a physcological affliction. Incarceration will not change their persona or desires, merely delay the inevitable until their release into society. Surely in this age of advanced medicine and supposed counselling, some form of treatment should be devised to deter the convicted upon their release rather than the " off you go mate, times served " mentality which seems to prevail with no thought of preventative rehabilitation.
x

At the moment any help offered while serving a sentence is optional. It really should be compulsory.

I would like to pull you up on one thing though. Being a paedophile does not mean you have raped anyone or have any intention of doing so. It does not mean that they act upon their desires. A lot of people fantasies about having sex with a Mother and Daughter or two Sisters, but they may never act upon their desire or have the opportunity.

It is my feeling that anyone who is aware that they have abnormal desire for a child (which this is), then they should be able to ask for help without fear or imprisonment.