Paedophile Next Door

[Curvaceous Kate]

Like I said....im gonna have to read more in depth as to the gravity the legislation proposes to put on this law being broken (The purchasing of sex)
You are more up to speed on it than me im happy to admit...but if what you said there is correct,the changes to how things currently work will be a lot bigger than I initially thought. (If breaking the new law was to be in any way seen on a par legally as rape,they might just get what they desire........drasctically reduced numbers of clients)

(Is this the NI or Republic proposals you refer to?)

The principle will be the same, but they will be tailored to the expectations of the governments involved, so there will be variants. We will have to wait and see in both cases.

[xagerate]

The principle will be the same, but they will be tailored to the expectations of the governments involved, so there will be variants. We will have to wait and see in both cases.

I suppose so.
What im unclear about though (maybe you are more informed)...........If the law is introduced in either jurisdiction,have they been talking about it being a law with sufficient gravity that anyone breaking it is fair game to be put on a sex offenders register? Or are they generally talking about fines,threats of possible prison sentences or naming and shaming like other more traditional laws

(I know it wont be concrete till its actually agreed and in law but im curious about what they have been suggesting)

[Curvaceous Kate]

I suppose so.
What im unclear about though (maybe you are more informed)...........If the law is introduced in either jurisdiction,have they been talking about it being a law with sufficient gravity that anyone breaking it is fair game to be put on a sex offenders register? Or are they generally talking about fines,threats of possible prison sentences or naming and shaming like other more traditional laws

(I know it wont be concrete till its actually agreed and in law but im curious about what they have been suggesting)

One of the links provided on this forum was talking about tagging sex offenders (clients), instead of putting them in prison, so yes there is talk of that in Ireland.

[Redkingirish]

Good point Kate, I was thinking more on the lines of "active" paedophiles rather than those who, thankfully, suppress their desires. Unfortunately most people with mental health issues do not realise they have a problem or will not accept help if they suspect they have issues. This is a very difficult issue for society in general as quite a high number of people have a problem but will not address it due to the public perception or stigma involved. FFS, the average A+E department can't cope with major physical injuries quickly let alone unseen mental health problems which are actually life threatening.

At the moment any help offered while serving a sentence is optional. It really should be compulsory.

I would like to pull you up on one thing though. Being a paedophile does not mean you have raped anyone or have any intention of doing so. It does not mean that they act upon their desires. A lot of people fantasies about having sex with a Mother and Daughter or two Sisters, but they may never act upon their desire or have the opportunity.

It is my feeling that anyone who is aware that they have abnormal desire for a child (which this is), then they should be able to ask for help without fear or imprisonment.

[xagerate]

One of the links provided on this forum was talking about tagging sex offenders (clients), instead of putting them in prison, so yes there is talk of that in Ireland.

The way its worded made me believe that Frances Fitzgerald was looking at other issues too while introducing this particular law.........and they threw that into the editorial also.
If it does in fact read that breaking this law will constitute something grave enough to warrant being put on the sex offenders register ,the industry will get a right kick in the arse.

Just have to wait and see

"The legislation is being brought forward by Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald, who is also proposing that sex offenders be electronically tagged in exceptional circumstances. The Sexual Offences Bill, drafted by the Department of Justice, will result in a major expansion of the Irish Prison Service's capacity to roll out electronic tagging."

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/paying-for-sex-to-be-made-illegal-under-new-laws-30771617.html

[Jiberjabber]

One of the links provided on this forum was talking about tagging sex offenders (clients), instead of putting them in prison, so yes there is talk of that in Ireland.

They're talking about tagging prisoners, I'd imagine they mean high risk sex offenders and not punters. At least I hope so, the alternative is just too Orwellian.

PAYING for sex will be made illegal under draft laws coming before the Cabinet today.

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But the proposed legislation will not criminalise the prostitute.
The Criminal Purchase of Sexual Services legislation is expected to be approved by ministers and will be finalised over the coming months.
The proposed legislation will specifically penalise the 'buyer', but not the 'seller'.
The legislation is being brought forward by Justice Minister Frances Fitzgerald, who is also proposing that sex offenders be electronically tagged in exceptional circumstances. The Sexual Offences Bill, drafted by the Department of Justice, will result in a major expansion of the Irish Prison Service's capacity to roll out electronic tagging.
Under the proposals, probation officers attached to the prison service will make an application in court for a prisoner to be tagged.

[annabel taylor]

Paedophiles are most definately rapists in that non consensual/forced sex is rape. To prey on a minor/adolescent is wrong on every level. However, I do believe that a custodial sentence is not the simple answer to what is a physcological affliction. Incarceration will not change their persona or desires, merely delay the inevitable until their release into society. Surely in this age of advanced medicine and supposed counselling, some form of treatment should be devised to deter the convicted upon their release rather than the " off you go mate, times served " mentality which seems to prevail with no thought of preventative rehabilitation.
x

Not all paedophile will act on it, the show touched on what do we do with them, they have never harmed a child never looked at pork but are attracted

[Redkingirish]

Agreed AT, my assumptions were based on practising paedophiles, not the latent ones. As I previously stated, mental health issues need addressed properly, not swept into prison to reappear years later.

[Stephanie]

Agreed AT, my assumptions were based on practising paedophiles, not the latent ones. As I previously stated, mental health issues need addressed properly, not swept into prison to reappear years later.

I posted on this very issue a month ago >>>

https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...37#post1447137

(when I mention my education and experience , I was speaking of professional experience)


Pedophiles simply cannot be reformed.

Imo pedophila is simply the attraction and a sexdrive that is directed at the wrong segment of society.

Up until the not too distant past , homosexuality was regarded a mental illness. Now we know that for the most part it is innate.

This argument does not excuse pedophiliac behavior (!) , it is simply an effort to try to explain the mechanism.

: Think of your own sexdrive : you are attracted to women / men , yes ? Can you change that at will ?

How about if someone told you that from today on it is wrong , it is against the law illegal to follow through on your

sex drive / sexual attraction ?

Effectively this would mean lifelong celibacy. Could you , would you do it ?

As a decent human being if you understood that your actions would be hurtful and damaging to the other party ,

you would refrain. Clearly not every person is a decent human being , but I am convinced that there are

many many pedophiles out there who do not offend. I'm sure it must be a lifelong struggle.


The though is repulsive , the act is inexcusable. But I do not think the thought and desire can be eradicated.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia



Imo mandatory 24/7 monitoring of all convicted pedophiles would be the most effective method in preventing further

assaults , crimes against children. Monitoring the school in the neighborhood (where the offender was seen leering in

windows) is simplistic and non-effective. While the nice gardai are keeping an eye on the school , the offender

can just mosy on over to another area or other town , and do his misdeeds.

Monitoring of the offender (!) is the key.

Further , I feel that pedophiles who willingly come forward to the police or social services before committing a

crime should be given all the social psychological support possible , in order to avoid them becoming an offender.

This might mean intense extensive counseling , perhaps housing assistance where they could be moved to a

neighborhood without schools etc.

So : two pronged prescription -- constant monitoring and zero tolerance of those who have offended , and full-on

social support of those who are decent enough to struggle against their desires and who aim to not abuse.

Nothing else will work imo. You can hang one high , it will not deter the next.


Also , if there was open acknowledgement of this condition as a disease , the secrecy surrounding it might diminish ,

pre-offenders might be more willing to come forward.

And then of course there are still medical options of chemical castrations for those willing . ( an unwilling individual

who is subjected to chemical castration has many ways about it to counter the effects of the hormones injected ,

thereby nullifying its effects. In individuals who have offended , and have no clear intent to modify their behavior ,

only physical castration might show any result. Then they might turn into murderers if left to their own devices. )


This my humble opinion x

[Stephanie]

And further :


Imo de stigmatizing the desire and offering supportive social services and ongoing supportive counseling might go a long

way in preventing abuse. De stigmatizing should not mean indiscriminate 'acceptance' of this deviant desire , imo it is not

'right' to have such desire , but alienating the non-offenders and making criminals of them even without them having

committed a crime imo is counterproductive for society at large in the long run.

Even if just one pedophile could be prevented from abusing in the first place , it might mean one victim for sure , but might

mean dozens of victims that did not become victims , all down to preventative social services. I think an attempti at

prevention is the only reasonable measure.



At the same time though I think it should be emphasized that felons who have been convicted of pedophiliac child abuse

should automatically be liable for lifelong constant monitoring. May that be an ankle bracelet or physical surveillance

by authorities.

The question of civil liberties of course comes up and it's a rightful argument , but I think if one has failed to control

himself once , he should automatically forfeit that particular right.

There are circumstances where the rights of the state surpass the rights of the individual.


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