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    Some of you are aware that yesterday I went with a couple of other girls to see Minister Frances Fitzgerald, unfortunately she wasn't interested in listening to our concerns. She thinks it's more important to send a message that you "can't buy girls" rather than to give us safe working conditions as making it difficult to work will prevent people from joining the industry. She didn't want to make sex buying "norminative".

    She wanted to make sure people had access to services and doesn't want the new law to prevent that from happening. I tried to push the New Zealand model which has seen reduced demand and also creates a safer working environment.

    Generally she was rather patronising of our opinions and wasn't going to budge on the issue as you know sex workers lives are something worth throwing under the bus to send some empty message.
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    That is a total shame! People like her should not be given any form of power when they are not interested in listening to all sides of a situation.
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    You should contact some journos about this, there a few who are reasonable
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    Even though it was a negative and fruitless meeting with the Minister based on what you've described of how the argument took turn, to get something you want it takes time and patience. I'm talking in general, I don't know the full scale of how long it's been on going. But I despise that character that dismisses even the smallest of thing or the greatest. When one walks in with a situation I can't take sides, regardless of what I might personally think of that specific situation. I have to look at things in the perspective of the person who's carrying the load.

    Don't give up and keep trying. The water charges is a great example of what determination is (aside from the difference of topics, nonetheless it is a situation that got dealt with).
    I'm not crazy. I prefer the term mentally hilarious.

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    that's typical of the clowns that are running the country at the moment, they are so out of touch with reality, its almost comical. its obvious that the people running our country don't give a damn about its people, they don't give a shit about us, so long as we pay our taxes. enda and his cronies are in for an awful shock come the next election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabel taylor View Post
    You should contact some journos about this, there a few who are reasonable
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    Quote Originally Posted by youno2much View Post
    Even though it was a negative and fruitless meeting with the Minister based on what you've described of how the argument took turn, to get something you want it takes time and patience. I'm talking in general, I don't know the full scale of how long it's been on going. But I despise that character that dismisses even the smallest of thing or the greatest. When one walks in with a situation I can't take sides, regardless of what I might personally think of that specific situation. I have to look at things in the perspective of the person who's carrying the load.

    Don't give up and keep trying. The water charges is a great example of what determination is (aside from the difference of topics, nonetheless it is a situation that got dealt with).
    I am relying on the government falling apart about the water charges, before they can introduce this ridiculous idea.

    I have some ideas up my sleeve. I will be putting up another thread with a model letter of TDs and senators to write to. They will need to be typed up and sent per post. I will need people to then follow up and ring these people. The letters content will not need to out people, although if sex workers could give a fake name and explain how the law will negatively impact them and request for them to reconsider the law and look towards the New Zealand as an alternative. We don't want Germany or Holland, as those laws are less than ideal. These letters will need to be posted as TDs and senators take those more seriously than e-mails. I am going to try and request meetings with people via this method and go from there.

    Unfortunately TORL has money on their side and have paid staff to campaign on this since 2011.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catriona View Post
    Some of you are aware that yesterday I went with a couple of other girls to see Minister Frances Fitzgerald, unfortunately she wasn't interested in listening to our concerns. She thinks it's more important to send a message that you "can't buy girls" rather than to give us safe working conditions as making it difficult to work will prevent people from joining the industry. She didn't want to make sex buying "norminative".

    She wanted to make sure people had access to services and doesn't want the new law to prevent that from happening. I tried to push the New Zealand model which has seen reduced demand and also creates a safer working environment.

    Generally she was rather patronising of our opinions and wasn't going to budge on the issue as you know sex workers lives are something worth throwing under the bus to send some empty message.
    Fitzgerald shows her hand immediately with the facile comment that you ''can't buy girls.'' Too right Frances. You also can't ''buy'' hairdressers, painters or chiropractors, but you can buy their agreed services over a set period of time. The nonsense of ''buying'' someone is straight out of the TORL handbook. As is the emotive reference to ''girls''. So no woman or man is a sex worker -- just girls.

    And of course making sex work 'normative' is the kiss of death for any society. Just look at Germany, Netherlands or New Zealand where 'normative' sex work has presumably destroyed the nation. Meanwhile a proud history of censorship and sexual dictatorship from successive theocratic govts, accompanied by endless cover-ups of child rape and sexual abuse has made Ireland into the world leading powerhouse it is today.

    It's interesting that Catriona didn't mention trafficking in her OP. I think the public assumed that this was the main driver of criminalisation. Did Frances push this agenda during the meeting or was it more about her personal distaste for sex work?
    2014 in Northern Ireland:

    Number of reported attacks on sex workers 70

    Number of sex trafficking cases ZERO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catriona View Post
    Some of you are aware that yesterday I went with a couple of other girls to see Minister Frances Fitzgerald, unfortunately she wasn't interested in listening to our concerns. She thinks it's more important to send a message that you "can't buy girls" rather than to give us safe working conditions as making it difficult to work will prevent people from joining the industry. She didn't want to make sex buying "norminative".

    She wanted to make sure people had access to services and doesn't want the new law to prevent that from happening. I tried to push the New Zealand model which has seen reduced demand and also creates a safer working environment.

    Generally she was rather patronising of our opinions and wasn't going to budge on the issue as you know sex workers lives are something worth throwing under the bus to send some empty message.
    Well done for your efforts anyway, Catriona. To say that clients "can't buy girls" is ridiculous; it's not like clients 'own' them once they have paid for them, and the sex worker still reserves the right to do things on her own terms. Comparing sex work to slavery is completely stupid, as they are two separate things. Am I a slave because I rely on my job to keep me sheltered and fed? In that sense, yes, I'm a slave to the money, but it's on my terms what I do and who I do it for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catriona View Post
    Some of you are aware that yesterday I went with a couple of other girls to see Minister Frances Fitzgerald, unfortunately she wasn't interested in listening to our concerns. She thinks it's more important to send a message that you "can't buy girls" rather than to give us safe working conditions as making it difficult to work will prevent people from joining the industry. She didn't want to make sex buying "norminative".

    She wanted to make sure people had access to services and doesn't want the new law to prevent that from happening. I tried to push the New Zealand model which has seen reduced demand and also creates a safer working environment.

    Generally she was rather patronising of our opinions and wasn't going to budge on the issue as you know sex workers lives are something worth throwing under the bus to send some empty message.
    It was worth a try but i'm not surprised, she was never for turning and its all about to be seen to be doing something, scoring points for herself and her party.
    Even if the Bill had not been passed in NI she would still be going ahead and even more so now that it has.
    At least you tried.
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