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[EIFII]

It is my belief that everyone from the man walking the street's to people in every society be it politics, religion, Ifa, businessmen, T.D's, office worker's, gardai, army etc visit escort's and i have no doubt in my mind about that but they are hiding behind their images. They have not got the gut's to speak out and tell the truth that independent escort's are providing a service where as otherwise their would be more rape's e.t.c. Anything that's working perfect in this country they have to come along and fault it someway. Most of these old bag's are past it or else frustrated old cunt's who would love to visit escort's but haven't the balls to do it. Instead they watch porn and pull's they mickey off themselves. Law or no law i will still visit the ladies as i have no other comfort in this prick of a country.

I most strongly disagree and resent your assertion that clients would become rapists were it not for escorts.

That is a very worrying notion, as the whole point of our defence against the proposed legislation is informed consent between willing adults.

[warmcome]

I most strongly disagree and resent your assertion that clients would become rapists were it not for escorts.

That is a very worrying notion, as the whole point of our defence against the proposed legislation is informed consent between willing adults.

i think it's reasonable to suggest that sexual violence could rise if draconian law introduced.
could you guarantee it wouldn't?

[EIFII]

I have read the article, and it nicely summarises a point of view that I think is widely held by members here.

The problem with all of this is that the majority of society does not agree with or see the benefit in payment for consensual sex. However hypocritical, it offends people's notion of social norms, and for them, I imagine, escorting or prostitution is as disgusting or unacceptable as paedophilia. It does not matter how much we may disagree with that perspective, as politicians will normally reflect the majority view in our society. So Minister Fitzgerald is really only doing what would be rational for any other politician in her shoes. The challenge for us punters and escorts alike is to influence public opinion in any way that we can. Unfortunately a lot of the posts on this forum I feel have the opposite detrimental effect, the previous post about clients being potential rapists being a perfect example.
Of course, articles like the one the OP linked should also help...

[EIFII]

i think it's reasonable to suggest that sexual violence could rise if draconian law introduced.
could you guarantee it wouldn't?

No I absolutely do not think that is a reasonable perspective.

I can personally guarantee that I would never ever force myself on a woman if she did not consent to have sex with me. It makes no difference if she is an escort or a "civilian".

I hope all other clients on this forum would be able to offer a similar guarantee.

I note by use of the word "could" the previous poster is issuing an implied threat of an increase in criminal behaviour if "draconian legislation" is passed that none of us want. Unfortunately such threats will not help our cause, and be only counter productive, where the real losers will be the women who fall victim to these rapes

[warmcome]

when we collect all the guarantees, we'll hand them up to Ms Fitzgerald?

[EIFII]

when we collect all the guarantees, we'll hand them up to Ms Fitzgerald?

As I said, a guarantee not to commit a crime is no form of defence or persuasion

[madjack]

No I absolutely do not think that is a reasonable perspective.

I can personally guarantee that I would never ever force myself on a woman if she did not consent to have sex with me. It makes no difference if she is an escort or a "civilian".

I hope all other clients on this forum would be able to offer a similar guarantee.

I note by use of the word "could" the previous poster is issuing an implied threat of an increase in criminal behaviour if "draconian legislation" is passed that none of us want. Unfortunately such threats will not help our cause, and be only counter productive, where the real losers will be the women who fall victim to these rapes

Don't be trying to stir shit, because most members here know what i mean. I do not condone rape by any mean's, you are like the hypocrits in the dail alway's looking for something to argue about.

[warmcome]

As I said, a guarantee not to commit a crime is no form of defence or persuasion

dark night, punter ringing round increased priced escorts. says to himself
"if i'm a criminal anyhow, i'll show them crime..."