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[The Libertarian]

so it is definitley beening brought in jan ?
i thought it was still beening discused and if so.... and probley not in for a yr or so

There is a Sexual Offences Bill before the Dail in this session before Christmas to protect vulnerable persons from sexual exploitation, but I had assumed that was to clarify further the legal prohibitions on taking advantage of people with intellectual/mental disabilities and grooming children for abuse! Our gobshites of politicians may try to conflate this with consensual commercial sex work, but I doubt it and so it will probably be in the next session before it's voted on!

[The Libertarian]

What will we do if the proposal to legally equate anyone - punter/sex worker who downloads an escort related site such as EI to a child molester downloading scenes of children being raped, is enacted? It would also represent a clear attack on regular porn!
It would be the legal equivalent of making talking about robbing a bank a more serious crime then actually robbing one!
Mind you, It would be unconstitutional because they couldn't put engaging with an escort as legally equivalent to child rape!

[Catriona]

Lord Morrow said the law will only be enforced probably earliest mid-2015.

[Remo2020]

From what I understand of Sherry's post, it sounds like the Gardai will try out sting operations and use this website to advertise false profiles in order to do that.

I assume, it is the Garda reserve force Sherry means when she says "some girl from the garda /eastern europen, franch, japanis---they have!!!".

She is indeed right, they do have many female, foreign reservists who would make the perfect honeytraps. I could be wrong, but I think many people assumed sting operations would be next to impossible because they assumed the regular full time Gardai (mostly men) would be trying to organise them and no punter would be stupid enough to fall for it.

I think many people assumed that the police wouldn't have the resources to carry out this impending law and they are probably right. But the reserve force could easily do this and do it better than the regular Gardai given the facts outlined above and by Sherry with regard to their foreign, female recruits.

But what if you ring a number and it is indeed say for example a lovely sounding Eastern European woman who answers? What if said lovely Eastern European gets you all the way into a fake apartment and gets you to hand over cash and then informs you she is indeed a Guard? The game is well and truly over then.

I think people are wrong to assume that the Gardai wont use reservists to carry out stings.

I also think EI need to cut the crap with the reviews policy they have at the moment about not activating reviews if it not the girl in the pictures. This will be vitally important going froward if people have suspicions about profiles being honeytraps or stings.

EI also need to drastically up their game when it comes to verifying profile pictures as genuine, as one mistake is one too many and far too many get verified as "genuine" when its obvious it's a famous pornstar or model. That's just not good enough.

That's *If* the legislation is brought in which looks like a certainty at this stage and *if* the law enforcement in this country do want to make an concerted effort.

Thats true ...what about new clients ready to punt...

[The Libertarian]

Lord Morrow said the law will only be enforced probably earliest mid-2015.

So the Southern equivalent may well be up and running before then!

[redone7010]

Entrapment with fake escorts is most likely the way the garda will go. They did it in Limerick with a female garda posing as a street walker, and prosecuted all the punters who approahed her.All found guilty, fined and names and addresses published in the local paper.
Looka like, if you`ll excuse the pun, the game is up folks.

[The Libertarian]

Entrapment with fake escorts is most likely the way the garda will go. They did it in Limerick with a female garda posing as a street walker, and prosecuted all the punters who approahed her.All found guilty, fined and names and addresses published in the local paper.
Looka like, if you`ll excuse the pun, the game is up folks.

I think there will be a variety of ways including perving outside apartments waiting for punters to come out! Really disgusting stuff, policing consenting adults!

[matt1959]

Just curious if money changes hands but no activity takes place how do cops get a conviction maye i am missing something but i am not overly worried using a website to meet is not a crime to get conviction do they not need to catch someone in the act. To me this will be very difficult

[rubberbootlvr]

Trouble is in the Limerick cases it was on street prostitution in a residential area.
The punters approached the undercover Ban Gardai and solicited them not vice versa.
Remember too that "entarpment" does not exist in Irish law and it is not mentioned in the statue books so this can be a double edged sword for both punters and AGS.
AGS can set up a sting operation,and contary to Hollywood reality dont have to tell you when challanged that they are undercover . Also it is questionable can "yellow pack Gardai"[As the full time AGS refer to their part time colleuges..Yellow pack was a cheap line of foodstuffs and household needs in an Irish chain of supermarkets back in the 1980s.So to refer to something in Ireland as Yellow pack means doing it on the very cheap.Garda reserve forces can only be used with full time Gardai present and cant ASFIK be used in undercover or high risk operations either.
There was a good post on how you can defeat a sting operation here and I'd advise anyone to read it.
Also any honey trap Ban Gardai should be posted here on EI on a "wall of shame".So everyone knows who's who.
Trying to push escort websites into the category of kiddie porn sites wont work as it isnt the same type of offence and just shows what kind of fukwitted politicans we have who havent a clue how the net functions.All in all with a bit of creativity and cop on I dont see this legislation being that much of a threat to anyone.

[rubberbootlvr]

Just curious if money changes hands but no activity takes place how do cops get a conviction maye i am missing something but i am not overly worried using a website to meet is not a crime to get conviction do they not need to catch someone in the act. To me this will be very difficult

The passing of money is enough to prove intent to get an arrest in a sting operation.
In very rough lay mans terms for a solicitation bust to be successful you have to gave the following;
There must be three things for it to be considerd a ligit sting operation [In the USA that is,there is no mention of entrapment in Irish law so it might be a whatever we fancy ourselves and can get away with over here in a court room]

Willingness to go along with the crime...IE a girl approaches you on the street and offers you a "good time" for X amount[Enticement]...You have the option of walking away or going along with the deal that you know is illegal.Or you approach said girl by any means and method and solict her to comit a crime.

Discussion of intent to comit the crime or plan the crime.AKA procurement.,and finally producing monies to pay for the crime.

So ladies, you will have to ask for payment after the fact somehow or the other. No undercover cop would be able to go thru with a sexual act and have a case that any lawyer couldnt punch out of court.Same as no undercover drug bust would stand up if the undercover officer did a few lines with the dealers to prove they are one of them.