Limerick CRAWLING WITH STREET GIRLS

[Doozer]

Because these ones are, That wasnt a generalisation but an actual fact.
I know for a fact that one of the girls working is a heroin addict.
Two more are alcoholics.

As for pimped out yes they all are. There a few pimps doing the round
The Irish ones have a guy on a bike who cycles between each girl on different blocks the others have forgein ones on the phone to them and meeting them sporadicilly

Again, juat to add I I am talking about the Irish ones who are boozed/drugged out of it

[LaBelleThatcher]

Doozer,

Two women with drink problems and one heroin addict = all streetworkers?

How do you know the guys on bicycles are pimps?

How do you know the foreign women are talking to pimps on the phone?

How many foreign languages do you speak and how do you get close enough to listen in to private conversatios?

It seems to me more likely that you have an overactive imagination, there are also a significant number of fairies at the bottom of my garden.

This kind of nonsense is what TORL feed on to have the power that they do to impose on all our lives...

[Doozer]

Doozer,

Two women with drink problems and one heroin addict = all streetworkers?

How do you know the guys on bicycles are pimps?

How do you know the foreign women are talking to pimps on the phone?

How many foreign languages do you speak and how do you get close enough to listen in to private conversatios?

It seems to me more likely that you have an overactive imagination, there are also a significant number of fairies at the bottom of my garden.

This kind of nonsense is what TORL feed on to have the power that they do to impose on all our lives...

If I thought for one second I was wrong I wouldnt post

I know some are pimps, as two have approached me to offer me a girl
Two alcos and one jubkie , of course do not equal all street girls, but I wasnt on about all street girls, I was talking about the Limerick street girls , or more specificly the Irish ones, of which there isnt many.

I know well the guy on the bicycle is a pimp, just as I know the lads with the other irish girls are pimps too, hell I even know where they all stay.

Limerick is a fairly small city Belle, its not hard too see whats going on

Please do not insult my intelligence here Belle
Of course I dont know eastern European lanuages, however I have eyes, night after night the same guys drop the girls off and wait two blocks away., apporaoch them every few hours, sometimes taking money from them.


If you see fairies at the bottom of your garden I think its time to see a professional

[LaBelleThatcher]

I know Limerick well Doozer and I have even worked there. I know how close knit it is too...

How do you *know* the lad on a bicycle is a pimp, precisely? Or any of the others? Knowing where someone stays is not quite the same thing...and how do you even know that really?

You must spend an awful lot of your valuable time observing and following street workers.

How do you *know* the men are taking money from the foreign girls? Do they wave bundles of notes at them? Or just count it ostentatiously in the street...perhaps spreading the notes out on the pavement?

"It's not hard to see what's going on" are usually the famous last words of speculative elderly women in rural villages.

This is all exactly the kind of half baked speculation that fuels TORL

It seems to me you are exactly as blindly bigoted against street workers as TORL want people to be against you.

[Doozer]

I know Limerick well Doozer and I have even worked there. I know how close knit it is too...

How do you *know* the lad on a bicycle is a pimp, precisely? Or any of the others? Knowing where someone stays is not quite the same thing...and how do you even know that really?

You must spend an awful lot of your valuable time observing and following street workers.

How do you *know* the men are taking money from the foreign girls? Do they wave bundles of notes at them? Or just count it ostentatiously in the street...perhaps spreading the notes out on the pavement?

"It's not hard to see what's going on" are usually the famous last words of speculative elderly women in rural villages.

This is all exactly the kind of half baked speculation that fuels TORL

It seems to me you are exactly as blindly bigoted against street workers as TORL want people to be against you.

Im there with my binoculers and camoflage fatigues hiding in the bushes

I know where they stay as one lad shouted out the window at me of said address to offer me a girl, bleedin cheeck of him. really

The girls were giving money to the guys at the street corner

These are not the old girls that you may have worked with, a lot of the newer ones are of the younger vairety. So whatever you think you knew back in your day Belle, things have changed

Are you saying that no street walker in Limeirck is pimped out
That all street walkers in Limerick are doing this for the same reasons as escorts, and not because they are dependent on some substance? Seriously?

Ill tell you what
Come down to Limerick and Ill show you exactly what I mean.

Ill point out the pimps, alcos and junkies, and seperate them from those who arent
I will show you both Irish and Foreign pimps

Im sure your Limerick contacts would be happy to see you and too

Lastly can we have a discussion which doesnt end with you taking a swipe at me and calling me " Blindly biggoted against street walkers"

[LaBelleThatcher]

Doozer,

I am now going to demonstrate the precision with which a drunken, drug addled pimped out street slut can choose to hold and target their anger, because there are too many good people here who would never think as you do who do not need, or deserve their noses rubbed in the the home truths I want, SO VERY BADLY, to rub yours in.

You resent TORL misrepresenting and vilifying your world and preferences to present themselves as superior to you, yet you wish to reserve the right to misrepresent and vilify the world and preferences of others, in order to present yourself as superior to them.

That is not just bigotry, it is also hypocrasy that thoroughly deserves everything TORL want, so badly, to rain down upon you...which is where I have to pull myself up sharply and remind myself that most of the people they want to impose upon certainly DO NOT deserve it.

I have only never met a street worker anywhere who was "pimped out" outside of disasterous personal relationship choices. That is a myth the likes of TORL created and you promulgate.

Street Work vs indoor work is almost exactly equivalent to car boot sales vs ebay...neither is better than the other, neither is more, or less, exploited than the other, both share similar motivations and similar net incomes...effectively doing exactly the same job in a different way to suit the individual and their circumstances.

Street work is, in fact, the only kind of sex work you can do with any form of dependence upon third parties. That is neither a *good* thing, nor a *bad* thing, just a *fact* thing.

It is also one of the main reasons why I chose (yes, I "chose", if a situation where you would rather swim in slurry that take one option counts as a choice - but that is *my* issue, not a generic moral judgement) street work over indoor work. I am autistic, I cannot work or integrate with third parties...they do not like me and I do not like them. Working with other women in a massage parlour was an ordeal for me akin to a prison sentence. Having to play the interpersonal marketing games and negotiate the various cliques and social groups necessary to work through EI or similar is literally impossible to me. But to go out on to the street, interact in a simple, basic, clearly defined way with clients and go home with money was well within my capability.

The other reason why I chose street work is that I cannot pretend enthusiasm for selling sex. I do not resent it, I CERTAINLY DO NOT look down on, much less resent, any man who wishes or needs to buy it, but I find it on par with a visit to the dentist and honestly cannot pretend otherwise.

The reason I chose to sell sex at all is because I had no other way to make enough money to survive...but, to you, that means I am an inferior being who needs to be forced to submit to Ruhama and be subject to all the sick, twisted things you would not wish on your worst enemy as long as you felt they were fully human, instead of having my right to earn a living and survive protected as I can assure you I deserved.

The reasons other women chose street work over indoor work tended to be remarkably similar to my own, if with different root causes (ie, they certainly were not all autistic, but had different reasons for preferring the total independence of the streets).

The reasons they chose to sell sex were absolutely indistinguishable from the reasons escorts do insofar as I know them. They wanted to pay bills, give their kids a better life, save up for their own businesses.

I wonder why it is so important to you to dismiss street work as somehow inferior, desperate and dirty compared to indoor work? The work you actually do from the street is far more detached and less invasive. Clients have lower expectations, they do not expect enthusiasm or participation, just civility...why is that particularly dirty and desperate? You hardly ever have to remove your clothes...PLEASE tell me you are not trying to suggest it is sleazy to keep your clothes on?

Are you quite sure it is not more that street workers are not reinforcing your fantasies and you think they deserve to be punished for that?

Are you quite sure you do not want the right to sell sexual services (as well as any for of basic respect) taken from anyone who does not affect enthusiasm for it?

The right to sell sex should NEVER have to depend on enthusiasm for multiple sexual partners. That is the biggest lie TORL and friends ever tell. The right to sell sex should depend entirely on the conscious, informed choice to sell sex.

Now, your bigotry and hypocrasy have utterly disgusted me. I need to find something that doesn't to look at to take the taste away.

[LaBelleThatcher]

During the reading on Thomas Pringle's bill TD Padraig McLochlainn explained to us all that women must be prevented from selling sexual services to:

"...men that they do not love, men that they have no affinity with..."

...too many people, at heart, want decriminalization and harm reduction to be dependent on pretending otherwise...

[Doozer]

Doozer,

I am now going to demonstrate the precision with which a drunken, drug addled pimped out street slut can choose to hold and target their anger, because there are too many good people here who would never think as you do who do not need, or deserve their noses rubbed in the the home truths I want, SO VERY BADLY, to rub yours in.

You resent TORL misrepresenting and vilifying your world and preferences to present themselves as superior to you, yet you wish to reserve the right to misrepresent and vilify the world and preferences of others, in order to present yourself as superior to them.

That is not just bigotry, it is also hypocrasy that thoroughly deserves everything TORL want, so badly, to rain down upon you...which is where I have to pull myself up sharply and remind myself that most of the people they want to impose upon certainly DO NOT deserve it.

I have only never met a street worker anywhere who was "pimped out" outside of disasterous personal relationship choices. That is a myth the likes of TORL created and you promulgate.

Street Work vs indoor work is almost exactly equivalent to car boot sales vs ebay...neither is better than the other, neither is more, or less, exploited than the other, both share similar motivations and similar net incomes...effectively doing exactly the same job in a different way to suit the individual and their circumstances.

Street work is, in fact, the only kind of sex work you can do with any form of dependence upon third parties. That is neither a *good* thing, nor a *bad* thing, just a *fact* thing.

It is also one of the main reasons why I chose (yes, I "chose", if a situation where you would rather swim in slurry that take one option counts as a choice - but that is *my* issue, not a generic moral judgement) street work over indoor work. I am autistic, I cannot work or integrate with third parties...they do not like me and I do not like them. Working with other women in a massage parlour was an ordeal for me akin to a prison sentence. Having to play the interpersonal marketing games and negotiate the various cliques and social groups necessary to work through EI or similar is literally impossible to me. But to go out on to the street, interact in a simple, basic, clearly defined way with clients and go home with money was well within my capability.

The other reason why I chose street work is that I cannot pretend enthusiasm for selling sex. I do not resent it, I CERTAINLY DO NOT look down on, much less resent, any man who wishes or needs to buy it, but I find it on par with a visit to the dentist and honestly cannot pretend otherwise.

The reason I chose to sell sex at all is because I had no other way to make enough money to survive...but, to you, that means I am an inferior being who needs to be forced to submit to Ruhama and be subject to all the sick, twisted things you would not wish on your worst enemy as long as you felt they were fully human, instead of having my right to earn a living and survive protected as I can assure you I deserved.

The reasons other women chose street work over indoor work tended to be remarkably similar to my own, if with different root causes (ie, they certainly were not all autistic, but had different reasons for preferring the total independence of the streets).

The reasons they chose to sell sex were absolutely indistinguishable from the reasons escorts do insofar as I know them. They wanted to pay bills, give their kids a better life, save up for their own businesses.

I wonder why it is so important to you to dismiss street work as somehow inferior, desperate and dirty compared to indoor work? The work you actually do from the street is far more detached and less invasive. Clients have lower expectations, they do not expect enthusiasm or participation, just civility...why is that particularly dirty and desperate? You hardly ever have to remove your clothes...PLEASE tell me you are not trying to suggest it is sleazy to keep your clothes on?

Are you quite sure it is not more that street workers are not reinforcing your fantasies and you think they deserve to be punished for that?

Are you quite sure you do not want the right to sell sexual services (as well as any for of basic respect) taken from anyone who does not affect enthusiasm for it?

The right to sell sex should NEVER have to depend on enthusiasm for multiple sexual partners. That is the biggest lie TORL and friends ever tell. The right to sell sex should depend entirely on the conscious, informed choice to sell sex.

Now, your bigotry and hypocrasy have utterly disgusted me. I need to find something that doesn't to look at to take the taste away.

thats a very long.winded apology . If.I'm honest.I haven't.read all that. I will later and.ill argue points against it then . I have only skimmed it .

Anyway from what I have read , you think I look down on street walkers , now.I mentioned that the irish / limerick street walkers were.alcoholic and.junkies. This didn't mean that I think every street walker is.the same .

You then started,, after.equating me with torl , for.going against.your point of view and.threathend to rub my nos.in it .

Then you went and gave me.your.lifes story as a street walker. I assume you think I look down on you too (which is crap )

I wasn't looking down on the profession more the sinister stuff like booze and.drugs , like.some.would.if.they were thieves (not saying they are btw )

And all while deflecting my previous questions and offers

[LaBelleThatcher]

If this is your question:

Are you saying that no street walker in Limeirck is pimped out
That all street walkers in Limerick are doing this for the same reasons as escorts, and not because they are dependent on some substance? Seriously?

Then this was, most definately, your answer:

The reasons they chose to sell sex were absolutely indistinguishable from the reasons escorts do insofar as I know them. They wanted to pay bills, give their kids a better life, save up for their own businesses.

If you want me to meet you in Limerick I have no problem doing so...I just do not think I would be able to keep my temper with your selective TORL mythology, that is just as deceitful and destructive as the more eclectic kind...and I haven't put my whole life down on the line to fight this issue because I can restrict my temper to polite criticism face to face.

[Doozer]

If this is your question:



Then this was, most definately, your answer:


If you want me to meet you in Limerick I have no problem doing so...I just do not think I would be able to keep my temper with your selective TORL mythology, that is just as deceitful and destructive as the more eclectic kind...and I haven't put my whole life down on the line to fight this issue because I can restrict my temper to polite criticism face to face.

You are over simplifying things there Belle

Do come to Limerick
Educate me, who knows I may even give you an insight that you never thought of