Ad thread rules.

[El Gordo]

It's now about three months since the new ad thread rules were announced. I think it's time to ask whether they were an improvement or not. Personally I would say no, for reasons I'll list below, but I would be interested in hearing what other people have to say.

I find the advertising forums very boring now. I almost never read anything there. They used to be interesting.

More importantly, the old advertising threads were very useful to me in selecting escorts. The new ones are largely useless. You can learn quite a bit both about someone's English and about someone's personality from the boards. When I think about escorts I've really liked, most of them are ones I decided to visit partly because of their boards posts. And it was more often the replies rather than the original ad post. Of course escorts can still post to General Chat, but very few of them do.

The new rules are also a minor nuisance in two ways. I used to alert escorts, usually by pm, if I saw a problem with an ad, like a broken link for example. I quickly stopped doing this once the new rules came in, because there's not much the escort can do. She can't post a correction in a reply, and she can't post another thread for 24 hours. She could ask a mod to edit the post, but few of them do this. Also, I used to use the "reply" button even when I wanted to ask a question by pm rather than on the boards. It was very convenient; it gives you a window with the original message in quote tags, which you can then copy and paste into your pm. With the new system that no longer works.

So the new rules make the site less enjoyable and less useful for me. Is there any upside to them? As far as I can tell they were put in place at the request of two groups of people:
- escorts with very poor English, who were tired of losing business to escorts whose English is good enough to carry on an intelligent conversation, on the boards or in person.
- members, neither punters nor escorts, who never understood that this is an escort advertising site and who are shocked to see escorts advertising on it.

Maybe I'm missing something. If you like the new rules, and aren't in either of the two groups above, then please post why you think the new rules should be retained.

[Quarterpoundher]

They are not intended nor need to be interesting or entertaining, they are for "advertising" services and not for entertainment.

I don't know who you are referring to as people who are neither client or escort as I have never seen any state they were shocked that an escort site has escort ads on it.

What sort of rubbish is that? I don't recall one person saying they were shocked to see ads on an escort site.

All I saw was mostly ads being used to attack the escort or post non service drival for page after page or else ads being kept on top by the escort or by lackies of hers with never ending "hey babe when you in town" posts. When she stated in black and white when she was in town on the same thread.

Its much fairer to all Escorts now and unless holy war about it goes on in the Escort forum as far as I know they are in the main happy with it. I already asked E-I a few weeks ago if they could ask in there how was it going and if happy, I don't know if E-I did that but at the end of the day its down to the Escorts to determine if it ends or not as its their advertising space that they are paying for and it was previously being massively abused by various people for various reasons ranging from innocent banter that had the effect of bumping the same ad right on through to people actively bumping ads for other reasons.

[El Gordo]

You don't see escorts, qph. That's fine with me. I have no objection. But one consequence of this is that you don't always understand those of us who do. This is not purely mechanical. We do actually talk to the escorts. At least I do, and I assume most clients do. You say the ads are not meant to be interesting or entertaining. You are simply wrong. Some escorts are better at it and some are worse, but all escorts would like their ads to be both, because it suggests to prospective clients that the appointment itself will be similarly interesting and entertaining. In other words, that it will not simply be wanking with another person present. I don't blame you for not understanding this, but you should be willing to accept the fact.

Just to be clear, this thread is not an attempt to have a go at you or anyone else. It is an attempt to change the rule, or, at a minimum, to get a satisfactory explanation for it.

[Quarterpoundher]

You are the one that said ads are no longer entertaining, that is I presume because that sometimes a bit of banter happened on an ad and that by definition requires more then one person IE the other posters.

The problem was that banter was causing unfairness to others who were not interested in banter or for any of many other reasons.

That being stopped is not stopping Escorts creating entertaining ad posts if they wish. There is also no reason why any of the escorts who did reply on ad threads in banter cannot do the same thing on the forum just as nothing stopping people who used to post on the ads having banter with her on forum.

The point is that ad section is exactly that, an ad section and is not a forum and ad section has to be maintained on an equal footing for all Escorts who are paying to use it.

Pls so not claim to know my understanding on this for me, you cannot know, do I say you do not understand a particular issue?

I understand what you mean perfectly well as if I was a punter and I have said this many times before I would base my choices on gauging a person on how she puts herself across in her posts and having some interaction with her first. I would not darken the door of a complete stranger in a million years without at least having some banter here.

But that does not require me or anyone from having to do that in ad section, it would be great if that section was not abused as it massively was but the fact is it was and if opened again the same would happen and at the end of the day the ones that would take part are the ones that take part out here and any smart escort would know that a few posts here are as good as any paid for advert in portraying herself as someone that most men want which is mainly someone friendly and engaging and up for a laugh.

They don't even need an ad if they are willing to take part out here.

[El Gordo]

The point is that ad section is exactly that, an ad section and is not a forum and ad section has to be maintained on an equal footing for all Escorts who are paying to use it.

The advertising forum is a forum. I get to it by going to the dark green bar and clicking "Forum", which takes me to http://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/forum.php. Patricia's post, announcing the new rules, was titled "Advert Forums Rules". So claiming it's not a forum is just silly.

The problem was that banter was causing unfairness to others who were not interested in banter or for any of many other reasons.

There is no fairness issue. There never was. The rules were the same for all escorts before. The rules are the same for all escorts now. The issue is not fairness.

it would be great if that section was not abused as it massively was

Where was the massive abuse of the old system? People weren't playing "drop one, keep one" on it. For the most part, the replies to ads were relevant. You can see the list of threads in the Female Independent Escorts section, sorted by number of posts, here. The one for Touring Escorts is here. For anyone who doesn't want to bother following the links:
- There were never many replies, compared to General Chat or Soap Opera.
- There was not any sudden increase before the rules were changed. Most of the threads with lots of replies were 2008 or earlier. You can see from the list below that almost all were for escorts who are now retired.
- There is nothing to suggest than any particular escort's ads were dominating the advertising forums. If you look at the twenty most replied ad threads, they were started by sexybabehere (77), Blondy (44), Busty Malena (42), Gabriela.Brazil (40), nikki (40), donna (40), Gabriella.Brazil (40), SEXY_SPAIN (37), Blondy (36), punkchick (36), Blond chick NIKKY (36), exclusive.emma (36), ennisneedslife (35), Miss X (35), xxsandraxx (34), Busty Carmen (32), Damien (32), Monica_3891 (30), Packo (30), and Mia (29).

You can also sort threads by the number of times they have been viewed. If you look through the 200 most viewed ad threads you will see that all of them are from before the rules changed. Escorts want people to read their ads. The new rules are clearly not working from that point of view. I don't know about Patricia, but if I were running an escort advertising site and people weren't looking at the ads then I would start to get worried.

[Quarterpoundher]

It was not a forum as it was not subject to the same rules as in gen chat, what would never be deleted on gen chat was deleted in ad section.

IE if an escort who was being given a hard time on her paid for ad then it was within her rights as it was her ad paid for with her money to have it removed. The same thing said to her on gen chat if within the rules conduct would never be deleted.

Do you as the creator of a thread on gen chat have the right to have something deleted that is being critical of you??? No... but the escort could if someone was critical of her rates on the ad she had the right to have that removed as she did not have to put up with having to pay for an ad and have that said on it but the same thing said on gen chat would not be deleted so how can the two possibly be forums?.

Do you have to pay 250 euro a month to create a thread on gen chat??? No

Would you have been allowed to create a thread in any ad section if not an escort???. No

So to suggest that ad section was a forum just as gen chat is and subject to same rules is absolute nonsense, it never was for the simple reasons and examples I have outlined.

[El Gordo]

Will someone please post something relevant to this thread?

If you want to deny that that ad forum is a forum, then fine. I don't care. Call it whatever the **** you want. That is not the issue.

There is a reason escort are paying for those ads. It's because they want people to read them. As I said in my last post, the rules changed in a way that make me much less likely to read them. From the list of threads, sorted by number of times viewed, which you can see here and here, it is clear that many other people are also not reading them much. I will say it again, since it seems not to have sunk in, of the 200 most viewed ad threads, all of them, without exception, are from before the rules changed. People are not reading the ad forums the way they used to, because they are no longer worth reading. That is the issue.

[Anna23]

There is no fairness issue. There never was. The rules were the same for all escorts before. The rules are the same for all escorts now. The issue is not fairness.



Where was the massive abuse of the old system? People weren't playing "drop one, keep one" on it. For the most part, the replies to ads were relevant. You can see the list of threads in the Female Independent Escorts section, sorted by number of posts, here. The one for Touring Escorts is here. For anyone who doesn't want to bother following the links:
- There were never many replies, compared to General Chat or Soap Opera.
- There was not any sudden increase before the rules were changed. Most of the threads with lots of replies were 2008 or earlier. You can see from the list below that almost all were for escorts who are now retired.
- There is nothing to suggest than any particular escort's ads were dominating the advertising forums. If you look at the twenty most replied ad threads, they were started by sexybabehere (77), Blondy (44), Busty Malena (42), Gabriela.Brazil (40), nikki (40), donna (40), Gabriella.Brazil (40), SEXY_SPAIN (37), Blondy (36), punkchick (36), Blond chick NIKKY (36), exclusive.emma (36), ennisneedslife (35), Miss X (35), xxsandraxx (34), Busty Carmen (32), Damien (32), Monica_3891 (30), Packo (30), and Mia (29).

You can also sort threads by the number of times they have been viewed. If you look through the 200 most viewed ad threads you will see that all of them are from before the rules changed. Escorts want people to read their ads. The new rules are clearly not working from that point of view. I don't know about Patricia, but if I were running an escort advertising site and people weren't looking at the ads then I would start to get worried.

So you are saying , that people don't look at the ad section as much as they used to because of the change of rules?
Well, this cannot be good for an advertising site and for their paying advertisers.

Bytheway , I've looked at some of these old threads you posted a link to and I've noticed, that surprisingly the very same people who say there was a massive abuse via banter, are the ones who engaged in this banter regularly. I don't understand what is their problem now. And I don't care. What I would care about though as a paying advertiser, I would like my ads to be read and seen and I wouldnt expect new rules to be implied to avoid this.

[carlos marvado]

You don't see escorts, qph. That's fine with me. I have no objection. But one consequence of this is that you don't always understand those of us who do. This is not purely mechanical. We do actually talk to the escorts. At least I do, and I assume most clients do. You say the ads are not meant to be interesting or entertaining. You are simply wrong. Some escorts are better at it and some are worse, but all escorts would like their ads to be both, because it suggests to prospective clients that the appointment itself will be similarly interesting and entertaining. In other words, that it will not simply be wanking with another person present. I don't blame you for not understanding this, but you should be willing to accept the fact.

Just to be clear, this thread is not an attempt to have a go at you or anyone else. It is an attempt to change the rule, or, at a minimum, to get a satisfactory explanation for it.

The purpose of all advertising is to create AIDA - Awareness, Interest, Desire and Action. Good advertising achieves this by content and presentation and of course an understanding of the target market. Escorts are completely free to determine advert content, layout or presentation and any associated pics and graphics. Of course some escorts will be better advertisers than others, but that's the nature of all life. The new rules simply ensure that advertising forums contain only adverts and not "love your new pics baby", " thanks honey", "welcome back, I can't wait to see you again", "thanks honey, I'm horny for you too" , bump, bump, bump. In my view, a good advert just loses it's potency if it's initial impact is followed by pages of drivel.....after reading through all that sh*te, I would have forgotten the important messages contained in the original advert. For this reason, I think the advertising forums are greatly improved now.

Anybody wanting to find out more about an individual escort can pm her, call her, chat to her in the chatroom. Escorts do engage with the membership is General Chat or the Chatroom and on a 1 to 1 level via pm. Without this rule, we would have escorts creating secondary posting profiles to bump their advert threads (it happened in the past), getting others to do it for them, all sorts of non advertising banality littering those forums, escorts being attacked/harassed on their own advert threads, and maybe even a free for all bumping war if they were allowed to post as many times as they wished.

How many clients would complain that they could'nt get escorts to answer their phones?................maybe some of them would be just too busy posting and bumping........instead of bumping and grinding.

[carlos marvado]

You can also sort threads by the number of times they have been viewed. If you look through the 200 most viewed ad threads you will see that all of them are from before the rules changed. Escorts want people to read their ads. The new rules are clearly not working from that point of view. I don't know about Patricia, but if I were running an escort advertising site and people weren't looking at the ads then I would start to get worried.

Easily explained. Every time somebody goes onto a thread to post on it/bump it, they also have to view it......so they are also upping the viewer figure. Then others who have already read the advertisement see that something new has been posted on the thread and go to have a read of it, and what to do learn?.........."Welcome back to Dublin baby, you were missed!".........adds nothing to the sum of human knowledge, so they swiftly move on to something else...........but their brief visit has been recorded under the viewing figures. The difference now is that people are actually looking at adverts, if that is what they wish to look at, and not a lot of chit-chat, banalities, bitching etc.

Whilst I agree with you that the various Advertising Forums are forums in the sense of the word, but they are Advertising Forums and not Chat Forums or Request Forums......they are forums by which escorts communicate/advertise their service via advertising threads.

Just a final point. I'm sure that I looked at some advertising threads between 10 and 20 times. Usually this was to have a look at what was going on i.e. why the thread was so popular. What I found was banality, chit-chat, slagging, harassment etc. I hardly ever looked at an advert thread for the information contained in the advert itself. Often escorts attacked other escorts on their threads, or punters attacked escorts and then the escort attacked the punter back. Strangely enough, this was very helpful to me.......because the behaviour of some of these escorts ensured that I would not be contacting them.........so if you engage in advertising, make sure it is positive and that the message is not lost.