Greek protests

It's good to see that someone somewhere has the balls to say "fuck you" to their government & their new EU lords & masters.
I can't condone the firebombing of a bank or the awful deaths involved but just what would it take to get mass demonstrations onto our streets ???
I heard on the news last night that one of the Greek people's chants was something akin to :

"We are not Irish, we won't bail out the rich"

Interseting, very interesting ................
Our government keeps telling us that we have a gold star from the EU for our swift & thorough actions. Maybe the EU beurocrats, who want to maintain the status quo are happy that we are toeing the line but it's interesting to hear what normal people think.

TheNads thinks that Irish people are generally compliant & spineless. I keep reading that taking to the streets & demonstrating will serve no purpose, well bollox to that.
Wouldn't it show the vested interests that we won't tolerate this again, we want heads ! Can you believe that we still have 90% of the same people heading government & banks as 2 yrs ago ?? Really !!! These people got us here & we leave them there to adjust things back to where they want it again ??
A good angry demo (without the violence) would certainly help repair the Nad's very negative view on his own people.

i think we should protest also and not give them 300,000,000

Awful to see 3 people lose their lives, we should protest too though & wreck the place parade Cowen Willie oDea McCrevey & BertieAhern naked in public throw rotten eggs at them a public execution for Fitzpatrick & his moronic friends zero tolerance for me I'm sick of it all...

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Originally Posted by TheNads

It's good to see that someone somewhere has the balls to say "fuck you" to their government & their new EU lords & masters.
I can't condone the firebombing of a bank or the awful deaths involved but just what would it take to get mass demonstrations onto our streets ???
I heard on the news last night that one of the Greek people's chants was something akin to :

"We are not Irish, we won't bail out the rich"

Interseting, very interesting ................
Our government keeps telling us that we have a gold star from the EU for our swift & thorough actions. Maybe the EU beurocrats, who want to maintain the status quo are happy that we are toeing the line but it's interesting to hear what normal people think.

TheNads thinks that Irish people are generally compliant & spineless. I keep reading that taking to the streets & demonstrating will serve no purpose, well bollox to that.
Wouldn't it show the vested interests that we won't tolerate this again, we want heads ! Can you believe that we still have 90% of the same people heading government & banks as 2 yrs ago ?? Really !!! These people got us here & we leave them there to adjust things back to where they want it again ??
A good angry demo (without the violence) would certainly help repair the Nad's very negative view on his own people.

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I agree totally with u that was has gone on is scandalous, worse that 3 people have lost their lives, but this
really is a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. What will these protests achieve? nothing
they will just make a bad situation worse,by going too far they have actually played into the hands of the
goverment as this morning the news channels are saying ordinary decent people want to distance themselves from these murders and thuggery. The problem here is what option has Greece ? none is the answer, if they
dont accept this loan and the conditions that go with it they are bankrupt, so instead of enforced cuts on wages
etc there will be no wages and the people protesting instead of getting reductions will not be paid atall.
In fairness the greek economy is a total basket case,it is almost totally dependent on tourism and i guess there
will be alot of people who were thinking of going there for a holiday will now go elswhere on the off chance of being caught up in all of this . There is a terrible culture of lies and deciet in greece with the goverment leading
the way by cooking the books and not being up front about deficets etc ,it now seems that they lied and
didnt meet the criteria to join the Euro and are now reaping the rewards of this. Also apparently the black economy is huge there and tax avoidance a real massive problem

Yes I heard on the radio they are bringing in receipts and trying to get people to pay tax. There is uproar over this now as people used to overcharge everyone. I also heard they get a 14 month salary with the extra 2 months been paid as bonuses for Easter and Crimbo as well as a few weeks off in the summer

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Originally Posted by TheNads

It's good to see that someone somewhere has the balls to say "fuck you" to their government & their new EU lords & masters.
I can't condone the firebombing of a bank or the awful deaths involved but just what would it take to get mass demonstrations onto our streets ???
I heard on the news last night that one of the Greek people's chants was something akin to :

"We are not Irish, we won't bail out the rich"

Interseting, very interesting ................
Our government keeps telling us that we have a gold star from the EU for our swift & thorough actions. Maybe the EU beurocrats, who want to maintain the status quo are happy that we are toeing the line but it's interesting to hear what normal people think.

TheNads thinks that Irish people are generally compliant & spineless. I keep reading that taking to the streets & demonstrating will serve no purpose, well bollox to that.
Wouldn't it show the vested interests that we won't tolerate this again, we want heads ! Can you believe that we still have 90% of the same people heading government & banks as 2 yrs ago ?? Really !!! These people got us here & we leave them there to adjust things back to where they want it again ??
A good angry demo (without the violence) would certainly help repair the Nad's very negative view on his own people.

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when ppl protest over something so profound to them ,there is usually a violent element which results in injuries and / or death. Having said all that the Greeks problem is their own ,just as ours is ours. why the hell should we give them any money when we havnt even got it for our own?

Westside.

Maybe a revolution is finally brewing? Will we ever snap out of our Oirish apathy and have one here?

first point
the Irish people caused the property crisis by their greed they elected fianna fail they fueled the property bubble. The vast majority of the Irish people where involved the Bubble including the working class
i.e. plasters sparkies labouries making fortunes
No-one was forced to take a loan. thats why there has been no major riots
because the people caused the problem and they know it.

Second point
Greece Probelms are caused by socailism and now Greek communists subverises and attempted to seize power in order to turn the greek people into slaves which is what communism is, slavery.
Greek would have better off under the junta which may now be required again in order to crush the trade unions

Third point
If there is a further deteriation here, The communists i.e. WP SP SF would attempt to seize power and enslave us. However don't be alarmed as We speak Garda special branch and miliarty intelligence have black-listed them and are ready to move if required

Bring it on commies
better dead than red
che guevera is dead get over it
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Originally Posted by seanief1980

first point
the Irish people caused the property crisis by their greed they elected fianna fail they fueled the property bubble. The vast majority of the Irish people where involved the Bubble including the working class
i.e. plasters sparkies labouries making fortunes
No-one was forced to take a loan. thats why there has been no major riots
because the people caused the problem and they know it.

Second point
Greece Probelms are caused by socailism and now Greek communists subverises and attempted to seize power in order to turn the greek people into slaves which is what communism is, slavery.
Greek would have better off under the junta which may now be required again in order to crush the trade unions

Third point
If there is a further deteriation here, The communists i.e. WP SP SF would attempt to seize power and enslave us. However don't be alarmed as We speak Garda special branch and miliarty intelligence have black-listed them and are ready to move if required

Bring it on commies
better dead than red
che guevera is dead get over it
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CsNAB1sCKN...0/Dead+CHE.jpg
http://libcom.org/files/chile-coup-1973-stadium.jpg

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Ces't tre drole, ces't tre drole! )))

In your first point, you have outlined the truth-people refer to this as 'the good times'.
it was all an unnessesary property bubble which we would have been better off without!

I couldn't agree more with this topic.

The only time you will ever get the people in power to be someway fair and reasonable is 1) If they are physically afraid or 2) If they are fiscally afraid.

Considering they all pay each other from taxpayer's money in a nice little circle, it's only to a very small degree that 2) applies.

Once I saw on a youtube mobile-phone video a man being brutally assaulted by a policeman and there was a young shit in the background triumphantly saying something like: "Let everyone see that that is what happens when you attack an Irish garda"..... I don't know what the situation was exactly and why he was attacking him..... but to me there seems something extremely wrong when a young-fella is saying something like that about a policeman assaulting someone with a baton.... how could you be so naive and such a fool as to be so submissive to authority and people in power after everything they do? I wouldn't mind him saying "he got what was coming to him" or something... but to be acting like it was some sort of warning to others, like how dare they stand up to the gardai ever and if they do they'd get flattened.... something very wrong there.

still though u have to ask the Q Why do we take it all lying down? It is a curse that Irish people love to complain but do nothing when it comes to action a small amount of people fucked it all up for the rest of us through sheer greed nothing more than thieves now its transferred to the shoulders of the entire population Is it any wonder that the thieving cunts politicians bankers developers & top civil servants rode us all because they knew that we'd take it lying down like the grumbling doormats we are....

I agree with seanief to a point, a lot of the same people who now are in negative equity, up to their bollocks in debt & facing bankrupcy voted FF back in when their leader was giving evidence at tribunals such as - " I won it on the horses".
To those people I say you deserve everything you get & what an indictment on Ireland that we could have such tolerance for liars, cheats, me feiners & all that accompanies these fucks.
But seanief where has your free-marketeering gotten us ? Where has laiser-faire economics got this little banana republic ?
Greed is good, right ? Even the pretence that we should strive for a more equal society is corrupt thinking, right ? The strong shall prosper & the weak shall perish ? This is capitalism at it's awful worst, like economic anarchy.

Call me a red, a pinko, whatever but I think that we need some examples here. After the revolution, I have said it before, I want to be the minister for revenge - starting with Ahern inhabiting the top floor of one of the remaining Ballymuin Towers, no lifts, €100 / week to survive etc.

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Originally Posted by TheNads

I agree with seanief to a point, a lot of the same people who now are in negative equity, up to their bollocks in debt & facing bankrupcy voted FF back in when their leader was giving evidence at tribunals such as - " I won it on the horses".
To those people I say you deserve everything you get & what an indictment on Ireland that we could have such tolerance for liars, cheats, me feiners & all that accompanies these fucks.
But seanief where has your free-marketeering gotten us ? Where has laiser-faire economics got this little banana republic ?
Greed is good, right ? Even the pretence that we should strive for a more equal society is corrupt thinking, right ? The strong shall prosper & the weak shall perish ? This is capitalism at it's awful worst, like economic anarchy.

Call me a red, a pinko, whatever but I think that we need some examples here. After the revolution, I have said it before, I want to be the minister for revenge - starting with Ahern inhabiting the top floor of one of the remaining Ballymuin Towers, no lifts, €100 / week to survive etc.

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Very well my Communist friend, we shall meet on the battlefield.

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Now is the time to, LEAVE the Eurozone and bring back the Irish pound. Financial experts, here in America, doubt seriously that the Eurozone will remain as it is, in other words, they expect some countries, the financially weak and reckless ones, will hopefully go their own way. See ya!!!

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Originally Posted by anitasizzle

Now is the time to, LEAVE the Eurozone and bring back the Irish pound. Financial experts, here in America, doubt seriously that the Eurozone will remain as it is, in other words, they expect some countries, the financially weak and reckless ones, will hopefully go their own way. See ya!!!

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the EU is a disaster for Ireland and anyone Irish person who cant see this ,is completely disillusioned.

Westside.

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Originally Posted by ber

I agree totally with u that was has gone on is scandalous, worse that 3 people have lost their lives, but this
really is a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. What will these protests achieve? nothing
they will just make a bad situation worse,by going too far they have actually played into the hands of the
goverment as this morning the news channels are saying ordinary decent people want to distance themselves from these murders and thuggery. The problem here is what option has Greece ? none is the answer, if they
dont accept this loan and the conditions that go with it they are bankrupt, so instead of enforced cuts on wages
etc there will be no wages and the people protesting instead of getting reductions will not be paid atall.
In fairness the greek economy is a total basket case,it is almost totally dependent on tourism and i guess there
will be alot of people who were thinking of going there for a holiday will now go elswhere on the off chance of being caught up in all of this . There is a terrible culture of lies and deciet in greece with the goverment leading
the way by cooking the books and not being up front about deficets etc ,it now seems that they lied and
didnt meet the criteria to join the Euro and are now reaping the rewards of this. Also apparently the black economy is huge there and tax avoidance a real massive problem

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Well said Ber. Tax aviodance is the national pastime over there...........

But I'm sorry, they've gone to far.............they're killing innocent people............and this is making a bad situation worse ref tourism..........

And who do they think is footing the bill for all these riot repairs???

Actually, we are I guess............:o

I think the olympics really fucked them. Borrowed too much for the showmanship I think...........

These aren't the first and second times Greeks have taken to the streets; there were demonstrations nearly two years go about unemployment amongst the 18-25 year olds. Its pretty obvious they don't know how a country should be run. They have had a pretty good run and now it's time to pay the piper

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Originally Posted by seanief1980

Very well my Communist friend, we shall meet on the battlefield.

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The country with the worlds biggest trade surplus and the biggest growth rate is Communist China the Capitalist countries in the west actually owe China big bucks.

Thats a kick in the bollox for capitalism.

Also when you are up to your knob in debt you are a slave to the money lenders.

Communist Capitalist its all the fucking same as the elite always look after themselves, !!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by lordjohn

The country with the worlds biggest trade surplus and the biggest growth rate is Communist China the Capitalist countries in the west actually owe China big bucks.

Thats a kick in the bollox for capitalism.

Also when you are up to your knob in debt you are a slave to the money lenders.

Communist Capitalist its all the fucking same as the elite always look after themselves, !!!!!!!!!

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RFLOL
this is the latest argument of the communist/markist/socialist what ever they call themselves
after 1989 and the complete collaspe of their world and belief system and the liberation of the people of eastern europe they embrased the green movement somehow magically making being green a left wing thing. When communism did far more environment damage (chernobyl the ural sea)
they embrased multi-culturism making accepting of imigrants a left wing thing even due the far left
have practised just as much racism as the far-right Stalin and MAO etc. note that the recent black kids death the socialist party orgainsed a rally
why how come no communist rally for the other murders this year whats their agenda behind the scenes?
now its china is communist and its brillant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do people call China communist still, it's more capitalist then any country in the world right now?
The only thing that remains of its communist system is the crackdown on religion and the single party system but the single party system or religious crackdowns don't make a country communist. Communism is an economic model, not a political one. China should be renamed Capitalist China from Communist China!
there are really only two types of government, democracies and dictatorships. some of the dictatorships like China like to call themselves "communist" but that doesn't make them so. sure, you can refer to them as "capitalist china" but they will still officially be called "communist china" because that's what the government wants to be called.
Growth rates and trade surplus go up and down all the time.

North Korea /South Korea

Where do you want live in a democracy or as a slave
Make your move commies, make your move
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Originally Posted by lordjohn

The country with the worlds biggest trade surplus and the biggest growth rate is Communist China the Capitalist countries in the west actually owe China big bucks.

Thats a kick in the bollox for capitalism.

Also when you are up to your knob in debt you are a slave to the money lenders.

Communist Capitalist its all the fucking same as the elite always look after themselves, !!!!!!!!!

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Well, that would be America with a trade deficit of two billion dollars, the largest deficit any one country has with China. I wonder would this have anything to do with the fact the media over here has stopped using the word 'Communist' when describing China? And people here wonder why there is no jobs

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Originally Posted by lordjohn

The country with the worlds biggest trade surplus and the biggest growth rate is Communist China the Capitalist countries in the west actually owe China big bucks.

Thats a kick in the bollox for capitalism.

Also when you are up to your knob in debt you are a slave to the money lenders.

Communist Capitalist its all the fucking same as the elite always look after themselves, !!!!!!!!!

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Well guess what China is starting to feel the heat and growth is declining rapidly,and guess what was this rapid growth based on? yes u win the prize
construction another property bubble waiting to burst apparently things are starting to overheat and some corrective measures are being attempted.
The big concern appears to be that stagnation or even a recession maybe only around the corner

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Originally Posted by ber

The big concern appears to be that stagnation or even a recession maybe only around the corner

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I actually thought this had kind of kicked in already, if not, it's inevitable. Although, they'd be doing well to learn from others mistakes, while they still have a chance.........

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Originally Posted by seanief1980

Where do you want live in a democracy or as a slave
Make your move commies, make your move

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Democracy ????
Get a grip mate your living in a country that made us vote a second time in the Lisbon referendum after the ruling class did not like our first democratic No vote.
Thats democracy Irish style

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Originally Posted by Smarty

Democracy ????
Get a grip mate your living in a country that made us vote a second time in the Lisbon referendum after the ruling class did not like our first democratic No vote.
Thats democracy Irish style

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Originally Posted by luther

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Luther,

Fair point