Only me ?

Mods and managers, please leave this thread to run as I believe it to be quite important to the security of punters under current legislation. As we all know pimping on our fair aisle is illegal but with out naming names or pointing out certain areas, am I the only one that can see groups of girls claiming to be independent that are quite obviously not ? I'm not claiming in any way that they have been trafficked (if I thought so I'd ring the guards, not start a post) and I'd 100% back Ei's good faith in believing their claims of independence but I don't for 1 moment believe those claims. Am I the only one ?

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Originally Posted by n73

Mods and managers, please leave this thread to run as I believe it to be quite important to the security of punters under current legislation. As we all know pimping on our fair aisle is illegal but with out naming names or pointing out certain areas, am I the only one that can see groups of girls claiming to be independent that are quite obviously not ? I'm not claiming in any way that they have been trafficked (if I thought so I'd ring the guards, not start a post) and I'd 100% back Ei's good faith in believing their claims of independence but I don't for 1 moment believe those claims. Am I the only one ?

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Wooo hooooo :D

No, you arent the only one. However, there isnt much to be done. They are young sexy women, people will see them, with or without EI.


But you watch one funny thing, I bet no one replies to this :D

Course you ain't the only one. I'm always wary whenever I see every favourite possible listed on an escort's page. We can only hope that there are as few people under a pimp as possible. But at the end of the day, no one here can account for an escort advertising here being independent or not, just like no one can account for how genuine or honest any of us posters are :indifferent: We can only hope...

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Originally Posted by ladiesman217

Course you ain't the only one. I'm always wary whenever I see every favourite possible listed on an escort's page. We can only hope that there are as few people under a pimp as possible. But at the end of the day, no one here can account for an escort advertising here being independent or not, just like no one can account for how genuine or honest any of us posters are :indifferent: We can only hope...

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But how about if you all received the same messages, or maybe the same replies to your PM's? Would you still feel so comfortable?

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Originally Posted by ladiesman217

Course you ain't the only one. I'm always wary whenever I see every favourite possible listed on an escort's page. We can only hope that there are as few people under a pimp as possible. But at the end of the day, no one here can account for an escort advertising here being independent or not, just like no one can account for how genuine or honest any of us posters are :indifferent: We can only hope...

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No mate, I don't think you see my point, I'm talking about a handful of blatantly obvious girls.

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Originally Posted by lucy chambers

But how about if you all received the same messages, or maybe the same replies to your PM's? Would you still feel so comfortable?

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Probably not, no.

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Originally Posted by n73

No mate, I don't think you see my point, I'm talking about a handful of blatantly obvious girls.

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Ya just re-read your op there. I know what you mean. It worries me as I have seen a few groups of girls as you say a few times, but.. Well kinda scares the sh*t outta me thinking about it, whether they work for an agency or otherwise. But I agree with you, there are some that obvious that aren't independent at all.

N73 I'm very new to this and haven't yet spotted these girls you refer to, can you pm me the area so I can avoid. I would hate to go to a girl who wasn't independent

I have a completely innocent question to ask about this entirely hypothetical group. Is it only me that thinks the same person is posting for all of them? The errors, paces, syntax etc is all the same...

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Originally Posted by lucy chambers

I have a completely innocent question to ask about this entirely hypothetical group. Is it only me that thinks the same person is posting for all of them? The errors, paces, syntax etc is all the same...

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Would they all have the same IP address?

Dont think that anyone does believe that everygirl who advertises on here are independant, an if they do they must be disillussional.
can tell from some reviews, there was a guy here on reviewing(all gd reviews) alot of girls who where mostly czech giving them all great reviews, who wer all wrking from a well known block off apartments, His reviews wer ratted anyhow, but i was on another escort site and one of the girls who he had reviewed on here, it was him who actually registered her profile on the other site with same username he was reviewing the girls under here, he was since banned :) always get some that will slip through the net. C***s

I would say also mayb 99% of the girls who chat on the EI community are independant, well hope so :D
Better to visit them and mayb girls who would tour more also, and offer outcalls, think thats about it !!

..sort of like subtle pimping...that isnt that subtle..

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Originally Posted by skywalker85

dont think that anyone does believe that everygirl who advertises on here are independant, an if they do they must be disillussional.
Can tell from some reviews, there was a guy here on reviewing(all gd reviews) alot of girls who where mostly czech giving them all great reviews, who wer all wrking from a well known block off apartments, his reviews wer ratted anyhow, but i was on another escort site and one of the girls who he had reviewed on here, it was him who actually registered her profile on the other site with same username he was reviewing the girls under here, he was since banned :) always get some that will slip through the net. C***s

i would say also mayb 99% of the girls who chat on the ei community are independant, well hope so :d
better to visit them and mayb girls who would tour more also, and offer outcalls, think thats about it !!

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:d :d :d :d :d

That's common knowledge for me since ages ago. I'm glad some of you are catching up ;)
But as Lucy said, not much can be done, as they are young girls and guys are going to see them anyway.

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Originally Posted by Amy Alison

That's common knowledge for me since ages ago. I'm glad some of you are catching up ;)
But as Lucy said, not much can be done, as they are young girls and guys are going to see them anyway.

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And to be honest, that is where lies the problem.

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Originally Posted by lucy chambers

I have a completely innocent question to ask about this entirely hypothetical group. Is it only me that thinks the same person is posting for all of them? The errors, paces, syntax etc is all the same...

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Yes Lucy after a while you can start to see the dodgy post and reviews (especially when I'm sober) it's "me liking " sort or borat language (and I've got dyslexia Pfff took me 5 min to spell that) and when you ring the numbers you get the same voice. I'm only using the boards about 4 or 5 months I think they stand out like a sore thumb

sweet kisses x.x.x

that is all

my opinion is that a trafficked or pimped girl will have no acces to the internet or havy any ideea al all where is she advertised and you can see when you meet her by the experesions on her face the way she works and a lot of things liek that,just have to pay attention. then you see advertised oll favorites for less than 100 meening "she" does not care about her health only the money,works liek a machine,you go in she provides than you are out. usualy have no message board id-s either. just a tought i might be wrong. and as i read in a post the other day.... if someone knocks on the dor yelling...TIMES UP well there you have it,and a nother thing i dont think a pimped or trafficked girl it s alowed to travel.... just a few ideeas....(people i`m not advertising by this :)) but if anyone wants to take my to dubai,by al means i like staying at the burj al arab :)

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Originally Posted by Amy Alison

That's common knowledge for me since ages ago. I'm glad some of you are catching up ;)
But as Lucy said, not much can be done, as they are young girls and guys are going to see them anyway.

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thats just it God knows its been blatantly obvious to me you'd be surprised who are NOT actually independent who post here, I'm gathering all this info for my upcoming book 'The Truth About EI'...

I have been using this site for nearly 2 years now. It's fairly obvious some of the girls are not independent. One girl I reviewed wasn't too happy with a positive review as we had gone over time, she got in a bit of trouble over it.Also watch the touring circuit same girls same locations about every 5 days they pay for the appartment by the day . I think you can get the message.

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Originally Posted by denise baby

my opinion is that a trafficked or pimped girl will have no acces to the internet

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This is true, but someone else may have access to her account.

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Originally Posted by n73

Mods and managers, please leave this thread to run as I believe it to be quite important to the security of punters under current legislation. As we all know pimping on our fair aisle is illegal but with out naming names or pointing out certain areas, am I the only one that can see groups of girls claiming to be independent that are quite obviously not ? I'm not claiming in any way that they have been trafficked (if I thought so I'd ring the guards, not start a post) and I'd 100% back Ei's good faith in believing their claims of independence but I don't for 1 moment believe those claims. Am I the only one ?

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very interesting post.. ya i understand what you mean but the funny thing is i just cant peice it all together.
there is deception out there that i aint gonna figure out..

I think you ( majority of you ) are picking on the wrong targets here.

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Originally Posted by Bruno69

I think you ( majority of you ) are picking on the wrong targets here.

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Bruno, mate, read my origional post again. I specifically asked for no names or areas so as not to be seen as picking on anybody.

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Originally Posted by n73

Mods and managers, please leave this thread to run as I believe it to be quite important to the security of punters under current legislation. As we all know pimping on our fair aisle is illegal but with out naming names or pointing out certain areas, am I the only one that can see groups of girls claiming to be independent that are quite obviously not ? I'm not claiming in any way that they have been trafficked (if I thought so I'd ring the guards, not start a post) and I'd 100% back Ei's good faith in believing their claims of independence but I don't for 1 moment believe those claims. Am I the only one ?

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Under current legislation, it's not illegal for you to visit an escort. Whether 2 genuine Independant girls or 2 or more 'Agency' girls are working for the same location, or sharing the same facilities from different apartments e.g phone answering, that can be constituted as visiting a brothel....again not illegal for a punter, but dramatically increases the chances of you being involved in a raid etc.....

There are girls on the boards advertising as Independent and currently operating with a number of 'friends'. You only have to go into to the Chatroom to see how obvious this is. This has happened before and will continue to do so but is more obvious because of profiles on the boards. There are threads about PM's asking for visits, girls asking for reviews etc...the majority of such activities are in my opinion, part of an organised effort.......Does it bother me....NO

There are girls advertising as Independent in D1, D2, D4, D7, D9, D17, D18, D24...should I go on...but are actually not...same apartments in use...girls move between areas such as D18 to D9 (or Kildare) and then depart...to be followed by new girls...
Please note I'm not for 1 minute claiming these girls are trafficked...I am stating the obvious, the activity is organised....

To answer your question, do I believe that they are Independent...NO....
As per Lucy's point, will it stop me visiting them...NO....

It is my experience that if you want to increase your chances of a good time with a lady, choosing a genuine Independent lady is always best. If you want to minimise the chances of getting into a messy situation with the Guards, visit a genuine Independant lady working alone, it's the only way.....under current legislation....

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Originally Posted by n73

Bruno, mate, read my origional post again. I specifically asked for no names or areas so as not to be seen as picking on anybody.

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I know. And I haven't named anyone. Unfortunately other posters have made it fairly obvious, including in a very amusingly subtle way, Mr. Fussy. I would like to echo his comments 100% by the way.

It is interesting to see the various use of words like independent,agency, pimped, organised,etc

I would hazard a guess that real 'independents ' need to key into organised structure every now and again. How else it is possible to move from one incall to another around the country unless there is some sort of support system, loose or otherwise ?

I dont have a problem with the idea of 'agency ' -- I book thru'agencies regularly when I am abroad. But I like to know what I am dealing with -- I dont like people trying to fool me. I want to make my own decision, my safety and privacy comes first.

Here , I feel there is a blurring of the lines . Pimped conjures up unhappy girls, working terrible hours, doing things against their will and with some nasty piece of work behind them controlling and ripping them off. Agencies too are technically pimps but are there not some support organisations around who work in a different way to the pimps mentioned above ?

I am blue in the face saying here that what I object to is supposedly communicating with an escort when in fact I am taliking to someone completely different. Some people seem to know or think they have the inside track on this and if they do I would be obliged if they would PM me in confidence. I will then correspond with them directly by outside email.

We will let this thread run, the problem is apparent and needs to be addressed.

It's been said time and time again, but I'll say it again (and I know it won't be the last time). We are a directory and put up profiles on behalf of escorts; we do not do anything more than that.

As it happens, E-I work with the Gardai and there have been incidents when we have received enough information to take it forward and justice has been dealt. Without concrete proof, we are not in a position to catergorise any escort as 'agency' or 'independent'. It's been noted that we should do more to make sure, but it's difficult to do so... how are supposed to know?

As a company, we are of course against pimping and trafficking and we do not condone street prostitution. When we find out that escorts are using fake pictures or are using multiple profiles (with solid proof), we are in a position to take action. Some of you may already know that when there is any information regarding possible trafficking, threats, attacks or forced sex work, Nicole, Patricia and I have contacted you and asked for the information.

As MrFussy states, it is not illegal to see escorts and if there is a serious concern regarding an escort advertising on E-I, please do contact the authorities and we will cooperate with them to ensure that justice is done. We do keep on record various forms of information that would help their investigations.

There is a stigma attached to the term 'agency' and for those escorts that do advertise as an agency, we have to remember that 1) fair play to them for being up front about it and 2) not all agency workers are slave driven and unhappy; many escorts start off as agency workers before going independent and in a lot of cases, it's the early stages of a potentially excellent escort. With such a stigma attached to this term, I can understand (to an extent) why some agency escorts might try to get away with advertising as independent. Once they are found out, it amplifies the situation for them because they have been pointed out as deceitful.

The best thing to do is discuss escorts with other experienced clients, do check photo verifications and reviews. If you turn up for a meeting and it's not the escort in the pictures, do politely decline and turn away. Do check/use the warning section.

Ksteve, not sure about an organised structure. Independents talk to each other, normally through forums, to warn of dangerous punters, recommend locations, ask advice etc. I wouldn't call that 'organised', you have to make all your own decisions, room bookings, advertising, deciding on which punters you will see or not, pay your taxes etc. We will give each other advice, especially on how to stay safe.

Agree with you 100% n73 on your original post.

Mr Fussy puts it well that the activity is definitely organised. Whether by an agency or a group of escorts themselves ( I'm not sure if there is a difference to be honest. ) it is something I will be avoiding as a punter.
From my point of view places with this amount of activity are to be avoided.

The whole issue of other people answering PMs is why I avoid Pming ladies for any other reason than making a booking. With a few exceptions :)

On the point of same apartments being in use, that doesn't necessarily mean it is organised or controlled in the agency or pimping sense.

Genuine independent escorts can work together and share apartments, as they tour around the country

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On the point of same apartments being in use, that doesn't necessarily mean it is organised or controlled in the agency or pimping sense.

Genuine independent escorts can work together and share apartments, as they tour around the country

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Agree with you there Rodney. What I am referring to is the scenario of an apt block having multiple escorts in multiple apts in the same block. Waay too much activity in my opinion.

There are people who rent apartments short term to escorts. Some of those people are other escorts and some aren't. Many genuinely independent ladies will use those apartments when they are on tour. So the fact that you've seen two different ladies in the same place doesn't necessarily mean they are not independent.

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Originally Posted by dave1dave

Agree with you there Rodney. What I am referring to is the scenario of an apt block having multiple escorts in multiple apts in the same block. Waay too much activity in my opinion.

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This happens all the time. Someone asks for help with accomm, you tell them, they tell someone else and on it goes.. It does not mean the escorts are all knowing each other. Places soon become unworkable. I wonder if a certain short-let apartment block in Dublin would still be in business if it wasn't for escorts!
Girls who do not want to work in these places once they become overrun are constantly having to try and find new discreet accomm.

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Originally Posted by El Gordo

There are people who rent apartments short term to escorts. Some of those people are other escorts and some aren't. Many genuinely independent ladies will use those apartments when they are on tour. So the fact that you've seen two different ladies in the same place doesn't necessarily mean they are not independent.

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This too can become a problem. If it is rented then it is better to leave after 12 months and get a new apartment.

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Originally Posted by n73

Mods and managers, please leave this thread to run as I believe it to be quite important to the security of punters under current legislation. As we all know pimping on our fair aisle is illegal but with out naming names or pointing out certain areas, am I the only one that can see groups of girls claiming to be independent that are quite obviously not ? I'm not claiming in any way that they have been trafficked (if I thought so I'd ring the guards, not start a post) and I'd 100% back Ei's good faith in believing their claims of independence but I don't for 1 moment believe those claims. Am I the only one ?

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any1 thats spent any time looking at ads here would see pretty quickly that some indies are not that at all, and they are in most towns esp in dublin, kerry, cork, limk, longford, athlone,
imo i think you are better off with touring indys, these are most - but not all- truly indy

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Originally Posted by kelso

imo i think you are better off with touring indys, these are most - but not all- truly indy

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I'm not sure where you got that idea, but it doesn't match my experience. The larger agencies definitely move their escorts from town to town. And there are a lot of independents who don't tour.

I suppose are some agency who put girl to answer phone and do very little posting.

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Originally Posted by El Gordo

I'm not sure where you got that idea, but it doesn't match my experience. The larger agencies definitely move their escorts from town to town. And there are a lot of independents who don't tour.

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This is the crux of the problem. Sometimes its blatantly obvious that an escort is not independant, sometimes its obvious the escort is. But there seems to be a whole grey area which makes it very difficult for the client to fully know. Having had no experience of working for an agency, i don't know if its totally bad news?. (I'm prepared to be corrected) but for a youngish girl looking to work in an industry ,away from home, perhaps little English and able to earn the equivilant of a weeks/months wages in ....i don't know whatever time frame ?

I heard some voices here saying that if a girl doesn't tour or doesn't do outcalls might be an indication that she is not independent??? I think agencies and pimps do like to try different places and outcalls as it might increase the profit.