" Irish Examiner"

I would love to hear all your views on todays report on escort websites.......

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Originally Posted by Natasha

I would love to hear all your views on todays report on escort websites.......

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Kinda pointless really, more like an advertisment than anything else! Dont really understand the purpose of the article...
Also, I dont think they should have given the web address or mentioned any names.

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Originally Posted by Natasha

I would love to hear all your views on todays report on escort websites.......

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They are only competing to sell more newspapers than their counterparts.
They dont mean what they say, are full of BS and dont give a crap about the women working in the industry and you know why Sweet?
Why would anyone say that there is a huge problem with internet access and then give the actual web addresses? They encouraged the problem ,not prevented it. You can bet that there are guys out there who had no idea of the addresses of these websites and now they do with the good ole Irish Examiner.
But i will say this ,the owners of this web dont give crap about the industry either.Its all about money on both sides and has nothing at all to do with protecting any woman.
The interesting thing that that article outlined was the price difference between here and Amsterdam.
Its like an alchoholic lecturing someone for smoking too much.Look there will always be this industry whatever name you want to call it.It should be legalised.Then some sense of protection,legality,and of course the gov grabbing taxes will come into it.

The toughest thing for me was not the illegality,the prices or anything else.The hardest part for me was actually meeting someone in the buisiness that cared about me and i the same about her yet never see her.Good for the ego, horrible for the mind.

Vote Westside,
Westside.

I guess it helps to prove the old law of advertising that Sex Sells, and by promoting the article in their radio ads it helped to boost circulation for the day.On this occasion the depth or quality of the article seems to matter little as long as it had the desired effect, CIRCULATION... After all is said and done the most likely outcome of this article will be a fresh crop of punters that thanks to the publication of the web site addresses will now know where to go shopping for an escort.

The article does kinda read like an advert for E-I.

As the owner of E-I of course I can't complain... Free advertising! :)

However, as a human being and a news consumer, I can well see the point of anyone who thinks our journalists should have better things to write about.

Dear Miss X,
Someone should write into the numnut and ask him if they are so worried about it, why advertise it. Plus he looks like a natural form of contrapcetion for women. I dont know if you saw his pic, dont. I think i might wait outside the offices to feel even more talented than i actualy am.I know one or two journalist and they are intellectually constipated.They are so busy looking for some sensational shit to write about that they end up in mental homes by the time their fifty. Thats why they are all young. Their brain bogs down and ceases.
You should have a competition for the Numnut Of The Year Award. A grand prize money.You know the winner.


Hugs and Kisses,
Westside. xxx :rolleyes:

It isn't journalists like this examiner one that really concern me.

There is a lot worse than that.

For example, the media coverage of a recent murder of an escort in England was disgraceful I think.

E.g. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...39;/article.do

I for one think it is WRONG that this poor lady's life has been talked about the way it has.

The tabloids have been full of juicy articles about who she apparently slept with in her life, and you might expect that from those guttersnipes as unfortunately they have a habbit of stooping to that level, but articles like the above from mainstream newspapers naming her daughter etc is pretty low in my opinion.

Pat

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Originally Posted by Patricia

It isn't journalists like this examiner one that really concern me.

There is a lot worse than that.

For example, the media coverage of a recent murder of an escort in England was disgraceful I think.

E.g. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...39;/article.do

I for one think it is WRONG that this poor lady's life has been talked about the way it has.

The tabloids have been full of juicy articles about who she apparently slept with in her life, and you might expect that from those guttersnipes as unfortunately they have a habbit of stooping to that level, but articles like the above from mainstream newspapers naming her daughter etc is pretty low in my opinion.

Pat

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all depends on the target audience doesn't it? for the examiner it's mostly Cork/Waterford dairy farmers and their wives... just the reporting of the fact that prostitution exists at all is enough to titilate them - and about as far as a national broadsheet should go :D for the article above it's "breakfast roll man" that's the expected audience... and an attempt to sensationalise in order to beat the competition - at least the examiner reports the facts as they stand - doesn't seem to be any obvious untruths in the article.

There is a lazy assumption that prostitutes are vectors for sti's when there is very little evidence of that in fact. you can find plenty of research on that exact point on the web so it bemuses me that they never take the small amount of time to inform themselves, I suppose it's a better story if you can underline some preconcieved fears.

The picture the media would like to paint is either of vulnerable women/men forced against their will into servicing depraved men OR of the evil harlot luring men into dens of iniquity where they infect them with unspeakable diseases. They rarely, if ever, try to go any deeper into the story....

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Originally Posted by caoimhin70

all depends on the target audience doesn't it? for the examiner it's mostly Cork/Waterford dairy farmers and their wives... just the reporting of the fact that prostitution exists at all is enough to titilate them - and about as far as a national broadsheet should go :D for the article above it's "breakfast roll man" that's the expected audience... and an attempt to sensationalise in order to beat the competition - at least the examiner reports the facts as they stand - doesn't seem to be any obvious untruths in the article.

There is a lazy assumption that prostitutes are vectors for sti's when there is very little evidence of that in fact. you can find plenty of research on that exact point on the web so it bemuses me that they never take the small amount of time to inform themselves, I suppose it's a better story if you can underline some preconcieved fears.

The picture the media would like to paint is either of vulnerable women/men forced against their will into servicing depraved men OR of the evil harlot luring men into dens of iniquity where they infect them with unspeakable diseases. They rarely, if ever, try to go any deeper into the story....

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I love you,
Westside :p

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Originally Posted by Patricia

It isn't journalists like this examiner one that really concern me.

There is a lot worse than that.

For example, the media coverage of a recent murder of an escort in England was disgraceful I think.

E.g. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...39;/article.do

I for one think it is WRONG that this poor lady's life has been talked about the way it has.

The tabloids have been full of juicy articles about who she apparently slept with in her life, and you might expect that from those guttersnipes as unfortunately they have a habbit of stooping to that level, but articles like the above from mainstream newspapers naming her daughter etc is pretty low in my opinion.

Pat

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The sick thing is the murderer will get life and check out what life is in the UK.Not too long.Capital punished is the only way to go here.


Hugs and Kisses,
Westside. :)

Janey mac I see there are loads more articles in the examiner today... LOL... It must be escort week ;) One thing that bugs me, why do all these Ruhama and government minister types try to make out escorts are all drug addicts. Street prositutes maybe, but escorts don't take drugs anymore than any other social group in society.

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Originally Posted by Patricia

It isn't journalists like this examiner one that really concern me.

There is a lot worse than that.

For example, the media coverage of a recent murder of an escort in England was disgraceful I think.

E.g. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...39;/article.do

I for one think it is WRONG that this poor lady's life has been talked about the way it has.

The tabloids have been full of juicy articles about who she apparently slept with in her life, and you might expect that from those guttersnipes as unfortunately they have a habbit of stooping to that level, but articles like the above from mainstream newspapers naming her daughter etc is pretty low in my opinion.

Pat

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I cant believe they named her daughter!:eek: I dont care if they are just doing their job, journalists are scumbags!

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Originally Posted by Patricia

Janey mac I see there are loads more articles in the examiner today... LOL... It must be escort week ;) One thing that bugs me, why do all these Ruhama and government minister types try to make out escorts are all drug addicts. Street prositutes maybe, but escorts don't take drugs anymore than any other social group in society.

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If the hassle in the north stopped what would all the party leaders do? Theyd have to fuckin work.

If all the hassle in the world stopped what would the papers write about?


If escorting was made legal and escorts were taxed ,wouild they still make the same bobs? Would you?


If escorting was made legal or say in an incredible turn of events ,what would Ruhama do? They would have to go and get jobs ,thats fuckin.


Going back to what i say all along .If someone is doing something strictly for money or prestige ,then at least have the balls or pussy to say that ,instead of pretending to be the everyhthing but the kitchen sink of saving mankind.


Just for the record ,any girls i knew from the street. 6 to be exact and dated three, only 3 use drugs and of that three only 2 use so called hardcore drugs like heroin. And if a person uses drugs its there choice and this is more bullshit again.To date i know of only 2 st girls from cork who are dead due to drug abuse and i think they would have died reagardless with sounding cruel.God rest them.The reason most girls on the st work on the st is that they dont trust the lack of control when working for someone else.

Take steroids. They are supposed to kill and but are they? Are thay any worse than abuse of drink? Hardly.

This hypocracy is like enjoying a delicous meal of a 14 week old fly encrusted Italian sausage , washed down by a gallon of warm tendering vomit. Its like trying to explain the Klu Klux Klan to a blackman.Give me a fuckin break.


Id rather die today with my Values than live forever with none,

Hugs and Kisses,
Westside.

On another note .i have never heard of an escort ,drugs or otherwise, drive down a dual carraigeway ,langers drunk in the wrong direction but if have heard of a gov memebr who has.

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Originally Posted by dubjon

I cant believe they named her daughter!:eek: I dont care if they are just doing their job, journalists are scumbags!

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Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this is wrong. I nearly didn't post about this here, as I expect Caprice's loved ones don't need one grain more publicity than they have already got, but then I considered that a thread about it here was pretty insignificant in the greater scale of things, given it has been all over the national print and web press in the UK for days now already. I'm just so annoyed with journalists doing this. This is not an isolated incident. It keeps happening. I thought the situation was bad enough as it was, but not it seems working ladies kid's are fair game too, and I cannot understand for the life of me why any journalist feels it neccessary to name any working ladies kids. That poor child has enough on her plate without all her peers reading about her mum and her like this.

I just wanted to say that. People who take drugs dont always have a choice. If you come from a broken home, where the people around you are taking drugs, drooped out of school early have to work the streets in order to survive.. HOW can you tell say 15 or 16yr old girl not to do any of that some choice....

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Originally Posted by westside

If escorting was made legal and escorts were taxed ,wouild they still make the same bobs? Would you?

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If that's directed at persons including me, I can tell you that what I do is all legal and I pay all my taxes.

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Originally Posted by westside

If escorting was made legal or say in an incredible turn of events ,what would Ruhama do? They would have to go and get jobs ,thats fuckin.

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The guy from sex.ie made some interesting points about ruhama a while ago
http://www.sex.ie/2006/10/08/no-evid...-to-top-garda/

I don't think much of ruhama myself. I do think sex trafficking is a problem in the world today that none of us in this biz should ignore like it could never happen here but I don't see ruhama doing much to help. Its a shame because in some countries there are very good women's organisations working on these issues.

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Originally Posted by westside

Just for the record ,any girls i knew from the street. 6 to be exact and dated three, only 3 use drugs and of that three only 2 use so called hardcore drugs like heroin. And if a person uses drugs its there choice and this is more bullshit again.To date i know of only 2 st girls from cork who are dead due to drug abuse and i think they would have died reagardless with sounding cruel.God rest them.The reason most girls on the st work on the st is that they dont trust the lack of control when working for someone else.

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Good to see someone talking of their real experiences. If I didn't make it clear before it's been a while since I've been involved in the street scene in any way so I don't profess to be knowledgable on this issue. I only know that escorts are not the druggy crowd they are so often made out to be in the media.

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Originally Posted by westside

On another note .i have never heard of an escort ,drugs or otherwise, drive down a dual carraigeway ,langers drunk in the wrong direction but if have heard of a gov memebr who has.

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LOL. You are getting priceless westside. :D

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Originally Posted by Patricia

I don't think much of ruhama myself. I do think sex trafficking is a problem in the world today that none of us in this biz should ignore like it could never happen here but I don't see ruhama doing much to help. Its a shame because in some countries there are very good women's organisations working on these issues.



Good to see someone talking of their real experiences. If I didn't make it clear before it's been a while since I've been involved in the street scene in any way so I don't profess to be knowledgable on this issue. I only know that escorts are not the druggy crowd they are so often made out to be in the media.

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Well - as I've said above... most reporting of prostitution is of the lazy "dog bites man" variety regurgitating preconcieved notions and accepted "facts" (ie - myths). We're all guilty of that to some degree when imagining what a job or lifestyle different to our own must be like, and this kind of reporting panders to that rather than trying to enlighten.

When it comes to womens groups etc... well you can't fault the intentions, but often they are as guilty as the media with perpetuating the same myths. While there are many vulnerable women/children etc... who are trafficked and exploited to say that this applies to ALL prostitutes/escorts/street walkers is really laughable.

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Originally Posted by Dub Lad

I just wanted to say that. People who take drugs dont always have a choice. If you come from a broken home, where the people around you are taking drugs, drooped out of school early have to work the streets in order to survive.. HOW can you tell say 15 or 16yr old girl not to do any of that some choice....

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No Dub Lad - they DO have a choice... that's not to say the pressures on many from that background aren't immense (peer pressure, boredom, fear, ignorance, poverty). That many succumb to that pressure is understandable but the choice still remains.

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Originally Posted by Dub Lad

I just wanted to say that. People who take drugs dont always have a choice. If you come from a broken home, where the people around you are taking drugs, drooped out of school early have to work the streets in order to survive.. HOW can you tell say 15 or 16yr old girl not to do any of that some choice....

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An american guy did a study on this once and interviewed people. On eof the crowd he interviewed were two sons who were abused and came from a broken family all because of an aggressive abusive father.

One of the sons turned out like his old man while the other the exact opposite.Both were asked the same question ,which each being unaware of the other also being asked. The question was how did you end up the way you did and guess what???? They both said the exact same thing.

How else could i have turned out to be with a father like that.

Go figure.
westside.

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Originally Posted by caoimhin70

No Dub Lad - they DO have a choice... that's not to say the pressures on many from that background aren't immense (peer pressure, boredom, fear, ignorance, poverty). That many succumb to that pressure is understandable but the choice still remains.

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The only two things in this life that you have no choice about are usually the fact that you are born and the fact that you die.Ok maybe some little things.

You cant control some things that happen but you can control 100% your reaction to them.


Educating The Masses,
Westside. :cool: