Gents, just as the ladies need to write letters, so do you also need to write. There needs to be a client voice, because at the end of the day it should be heard how our services benefit you. Not just the sexual, but the companionship, the friendships, that are some times lasting. Please feel free to send them to iswu.workers@gmail.com.
I have started a blog entitled The Irish Sex Workers Union, about this issue, and would like to give a balanced view from both sides.
You anonymity is assured.
xx Violette
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18-02-11, 07:00VioletteMen write letters
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18-02-11, 15:18Laylawman
Whilst a balanced view is generally good I do not believe that the views of clients would be good PR. The oppressors will regard any client as a biased abuser of women. Anyone in power who has an open mind will be scared to voice their opinion - it reminds me of the furore when people try to suggest legalising cannabis. I would also be very wary of making any comments relating to the availability of paid for sex reducing the risk of rape.
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20-02-11, 14:42MorpheusQuote:
Originally Posted by Laylawman
As always Violette, I value your well thought opinions. I agree that us clients need to make some sort of a stand and write letters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violette
However, I think Laylawman is right in this matter. There is absolutely no sympathy from any corner of society for men that visit escorts (except from men that visit escorts and of course that doesn't count). We are seen as predators at worst, or as sad individuals at best.(You ans I know Violette, that escorts give clients far more than sex, but outside this community, no one will understand that).
Therefore I think any arguments we the male clients put forward should be from a different perspective. And we should not identify ourselves as clients.
There is a very good post on this by the 'Hobbyist' on the thread "Welcome to the Turn off the Blue Lights forum". He has suggested tackling the issue from by suggesting that the new legislation attacks the freedom of consenting adults. I have also made some comments with regard to this on that thread.
https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...ght-forum.html
https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...m-message.html
SO I completely agree with you Violette that us men need to get our behinds and have some sort of a voice. But I think it should not be done from 'client perspective'.
On the other hand as much as there is stigmatization on escorts, you will still draw some supprot and sympathy from certain corners of society and so your voice needs to be heard. "SWAI" seems a good organization and platform for escort voices to be heard. See thread and link posted by Queen Bee
https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...fancy-jog.html
Pressure groups lock horns over changes to laws on prostitution - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie
I will check out your blog Violette. That may be the best place for us men to voice our positive opinions as clients. -
30-03-11, 03:28QuarterpoundherThat would be a very important aspect to highlight, I think escorts do an untold lot of good in this regard and maybe keep some on an even keel. I think the totrl group would be keen to point to all the graphic reviews commenting on the baser elements and it would be important to have a pool to draw on to counter that which told of the other less known about benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violette
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30-03-11, 09:49carlos marvado
I think if clients were to make their voices heard, it would only be detrimental to the campaign against TOTRL. Any arguements made would be portrayed as the self-serving utterances of women abusers, pimps and traffickers. However, while there are obviously men supporting the TOTRL campaign, there is no reason why men should not also support the TOTBL campaign, but it must be obvious that their agenda is based on supporting such things as civil liberties, freedom of choice and republican or socialist ideals such as excluding private theocratic organisations from having any role in influencing civil government and state laws.
This must be seen as part of the decades old struggle to liberate the Irish people from an all pervasive foreign influence which sought to bind them in chains of a psychological nature if not actual physical ones. Much like Iran when the Shah was driven out by rebellion, the 26 county state after 1922 was not a republic in any real sense of the word, as a theocracy pulled the strings of the puppet politicians and influenced the everyday lives of the people, not only through church sermons, but also by bullying and ostracisation and by forcing it's moral and social code onto the statute books and into the constitution.
Ruhama et all would like to conduct the debate (if a debate is forced upon them and they don't secure a walk over) on the issues of women and children being coaxed here and forced into sexually slavery, of sexual predatory male monsters who abuse them for their sexual gratification...........and if that's all that the politicians and those advising them get to hear, then the result of the campaign will probably be a foregone conclusion.
The positions which should be adopted in opposing this campaign, as I see them are:
1. Advocate that more resources should be put in place to combat people trafficking and that those convicted should be dealth with more harshly.
2. Advocate that more should be done to assist the victims of people trafficking in whatever way possible and that this should be done by a statutory body such as the HSE, which is accountable, rather than by private charitable organisations.
3. Advocate the civil liberties agenda and the separation of church and state.......neither God nor Caesar have any business trying to regulate the activities of two or more consenting adults within the bedroom.
4. Highlight the fact that any move to criminalise clients will economically disadvantage those who freely choose to engage in sex work thereby making life more dangerous for them and also more difficult for both them and their dependants.
5. Highlight the fact, that in the absence of a large cohort of independent "career" escorts, the effects of the proposed legal changes would be to drive sex work into even darker shadows where the pimps and traffickers would gain the upper hand and where the financial incentives would actually increase for the traffickers as clients would no longer have any real choice in what type of sex worker they visit in Ireland.
6. Rather than dealing with this issue here on a mature basis, we would be seeking to export the problem in much the same way as we have exported other problems. Trafficking wont be stopped and neither will voluntary sex work.......Ryanair provide the means for women with unwanted pregnancies to travel to the UK and elsewhere, and they will provide the means for clients to continue their hobby also.........with a greater outflow of finances from the state.
Next year, the Catholic church will be celebrating the Eucharistic Congress in Dublin and there is speculation that the pope will attend. No doubt certain elements hope that the clock can be turned back to 1932 and they would probably love to gift the pope with a new law making the purchase of sex illegal in Ireland. Well if he should come, I would be all in favour of welcoming him in the same manner as any another visiting head of a foreign state..........but there is just one caveat. Prior to his arrival, he should announce a date for the withdrawal of all his forces and agents, including those guilty of abusing Irish citizens, those guilty of living off the poor, those guilty of spreading propaganda on behalf of a foreign power, of spreading lies and misinformation and of shielding and protecting the abusers of women and children. If when he departs, he takes all the diocesan clergy and the members of religious congregations back with him, he will be very welcome indeed.