The Irish Times

i'm reading this and thought i'd share:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/socia...atic-1.1979647

"Why new law banning the purchase of sex is patronising and problematic"

Yet another common-sense article from a serious newspaper condemning Lord Morrow's Bill.
Unfortunately, politics, especially Northern Ireland politics, is not about common-sense, or reasoned, logical, well thought out, ideas.

Good article.

people (just like you) telling you not to:

pay for sex
go England for abortion
use banned substances

they need to FUCK OFF out of my life and control theirs. :cool::firing:

that was the most concerning aspect of the 'debate'. some people think THEY know what's best for ME

what will they try to control next?

Interesting well thought out commentary. Unfortunately Ms Fitzgerald will not be swayed by any of it . This government will do all it can to deflect attention away from water charges , they have had their two weeks to bash SF now they will move on to another easy target .

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Originally Posted by warmcome;

what will they [I

try[/I] to control next?

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Your water , your bank account need I go on

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Originally Posted by Theirishtimes.com

The Global Alliance Against Traffic in Women strongly opposes criminal penalties against clients, stating that they “not only threaten the effectiveness of anti-trafficking efforts, they often place sex workers at greater risk of violence and exploitation”.

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And they say they want to stop trafficking..... What a scam!

i said try as illicit drugs is a billion euro industry on the island of Ireland ;)

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As suggested in the article, it is about Lord Morrow getting brownie points (and votes) from crazies like the Evangelical Protestant Society.

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Originally Posted by SteveB

As suggested in the article, it is about Lord Morrow getting brownie points (and votes) from crazies like the Evangelical Protestant Society.

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optional ;)

It is my belief that everyone from the man walking the street's to people in every society be it politics, religion, Ifa, businessmen, T.D's, office worker's, gardai, army etc visit escort's and i have no doubt in my mind about that but they are hiding behind their images. They have not got the gut's to speak out and tell the truth that independent escort's are providing a service where as otherwise their would be more rape's e.t.c. Anything that's working perfect in this country they have to come along and fault it someway. Most of these old bag's are past it or else frustrated old cunt's who would love to visit escort's but haven't the balls to do it. Instead they watch porn and pull's they mickey off themselves. Law or no law i will still visit the ladies as i have no other comfort in this prick of a country.

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Originally Posted by madjack

It is my belief that everyone from the man walking the street's to people in every society be it politics, religion, Ifa, businessmen, T.D's, office worker's, gardai, army etc visit escort's and i have no doubt in my mind about that but they are hiding behind their images. They have not got the gut's to speak out and tell the truth that independent escort's are providing a service where as otherwise their would be more rape's e.t.c. Anything that's working perfect in this country they have to come along and fault it someway. Most of these old bag's are past it or else frustrated old cunt's who would love to visit escort's but haven't the balls to do it. Instead they watch porn and pull's they mickey off themselves. Law or no law i will still visit the ladies as i have no other comfort in this prick of a country.

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I most strongly disagree and resent your assertion that clients would become rapists were it not for escorts.

That is a very worrying notion, as the whole point of our defence against the proposed legislation is informed consent between willing adults.

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Originally Posted by EIFII

I most strongly disagree and resent your assertion that clients would become rapists were it not for escorts.

That is a very worrying notion, as the whole point of our defence against the proposed legislation is informed consent between willing adults.

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i think it's reasonable to suggest that sexual violence could rise if draconian law introduced.
could you guarantee it wouldn't?

I have read the article, and it nicely summarises a point of view that I think is widely held by members here.

The problem with all of this is that the majority of society does not agree with or see the benefit in payment for consensual sex. However hypocritical, it offends people's notion of social norms, and for them, I imagine, escorting or prostitution is as disgusting or unacceptable as paedophilia. It does not matter how much we may disagree with that perspective, as politicians will normally reflect the majority view in our society. So Minister Fitzgerald is really only doing what would be rational for any other politician in her shoes. The challenge for us punters and escorts alike is to influence public opinion in any way that we can. Unfortunately a lot of the posts on this forum I feel have the opposite detrimental effect, the previous post about clients being potential rapists being a perfect example.
Of course, articles like the one the OP linked should also help...

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Originally Posted by warmcome

i think it's reasonable to suggest that sexual violence could rise if draconian law introduced.
could you guarantee it wouldn't?

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No I absolutely do not think that is a reasonable perspective.

I can personally guarantee that I would never ever force myself on a woman if she did not consent to have sex with me. It makes no difference if she is an escort or a "civilian".

I hope all other clients on this forum would be able to offer a similar guarantee.

I note by use of the word "could" the previous poster is issuing an implied threat of an increase in criminal behaviour if "draconian legislation" is passed that none of us want. Unfortunately such threats will not help our cause, and be only counter productive, where the real losers will be the women who fall victim to these rapes

when we collect all the guarantees, we'll hand them up to Ms Fitzgerald? :)

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Originally Posted by warmcome

when we collect all the guarantees, we'll hand them up to Ms Fitzgerald? :)

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As I said, a guarantee not to commit a crime is no form of defence or persuasion

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Originally Posted by EIFII

No I absolutely do not think that is a reasonable perspective.

I can personally guarantee that I would never ever force myself on a woman if she did not consent to have sex with me. It makes no difference if she is an escort or a "civilian".

I hope all other clients on this forum would be able to offer a similar guarantee.

I note by use of the word "could" the previous poster is issuing an implied threat of an increase in criminal behaviour if "draconian legislation" is passed that none of us want. Unfortunately such threats will not help our cause, and be only counter productive, where the real losers will be the women who fall victim to these rapes

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Don't be trying to stir shit, because most members here know what i mean. I do not condone rape by any mean's, you are like the hypocrits in the dail alway's looking for something to argue about.

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Originally Posted by EIFII

As I said, a guarantee not to commit a crime is no form of defence or persuasion

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dark night, punter ringing round increased priced escorts. says to himself
"if i'm a criminal anyhow, i'll show them crime..."