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01-11-10, 17:34
irlcock

a silly question

can someone explain why agencys arent favoured? and does the same go for agencys in england?
01-11-10, 21:14
lonely

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Originally Posted by irlcock

can someone explain why agencys arent favoured? and does the same go for agencys in england?

cause when you use an agency the escort you see is only getting part of the money you hand over whereas an independent escort is getting it all and she works when she wants compared to an agency escort who is told when to work
01-11-10, 21:24
dr love

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Originally Posted by irlcock

can someone explain why agencys arent favoured? and does the same go for agencys in england?

been with a escort just recently who worked the agency gig said it was like having a pimp.
01-11-10, 21:29
BruceAlmighty

Because the general experince, per reviews here and other places, is that unfortunately the agencies are not always accurate in pictures, services, locations etc.
01-11-10, 22:04
Westsidex

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Originally Posted by lonely

cause when you use an agency the escort you see is only getting part of the money you hand over whereas an independent escort is getting it all and she works when she wants compared to an agency escort who is told when to work

I dont go along with this at all. The reason guys go to indeps is because they hope that they might meet the right woman, might get more time, more fun etc etc. Saying its because if them not getting all the money is a bs excuse.

Westside.
01-11-10, 22:17
Pigeon

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Originally Posted by Westsidex

I dont go along with this at all. The reason guys go to indeps is because they hope that they might meet the right woman, might get more time, more fun etc etc. Saying its because if them not getting all the money is a bs excuse.

Westside.

Ask a silly quustion and you get a silly answer
01-11-10, 22:29
Westsidex

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Originally Posted by Pigeon

Ask a silly quustion and you get a silly answer

Ah its not that silly an answer at all. Give me a break. By the way theres an "e" in question.

speaking of silly,
Westside.

PS dont ask me where the "e" should go".
01-11-10, 22:37
Pigeon

How perceptive you are in such matters. (Hope I havent mis-spelt perceptive).

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Originally Posted by Westsidex

Ah its not that silly an answer at all. Give me a break. By the way theres an "e" in question.

speaking of silly,
Westside.

PS dont ask me where the "e" should go".
01-11-10, 22:39
Paddii

I just wouldn't go to an agency because of the possibility (however remote) that the girl might be trafficked and escorting against her will
01-11-10, 22:42
Pigeon

How does one spell Pedant?

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Originally Posted by Westsidex

Ah its not that silly an answer at all. Give me a break. By the way theres an "e" in question.

speaking of silly,
Westside.

PS dont ask me where the "e" should go".
01-11-10, 22:42
Westsidex

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Originally Posted by Paddii

I just wouldn't go to an agency because of the possibility (however remote) that the girl might be trafficked and escorting against her will

We have had several agencies busted in the last year and no trafficking involved in them. 99% of women work of their own freewill indep and agency included.

Westside.
01-11-10, 22:43
Westsidex

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Originally Posted by Pigeon

How does one spell Pedant?

By referring to a dictionary.
Westside.
01-11-10, 23:08
DD Top

How are agencies let open in the UK?
02-11-10, 08:54
El Gordo

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Originally Posted by lonely

cause when you use an agency the escort you see is only getting part of the money you hand over whereas an independent escort is getting it all and she works when she wants compared to an agency escort who is told when to work

I know what you mean, but it's not really correct to say that when you give your money to an independent she gets it all. Independent escorts have plenty of expenses, especially for accommodations. And advertising here isn't cheap either.

To answer irlock's question, agencies in Ireland are generally pretty awful, from the point of view both of the client and of the escort. I've never punted in England, but from what I've heard there are good and bad agencies there.
02-11-10, 10:39
Lucy Chambers

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Originally Posted by DD Top

How are agencies let open in the UK?

They work on a commission basis, and use the cover all that you are paying for 'time and companionship'. If the police choose to close them and arrest the owners they can, as it is a flimsy cover all- however they usually don't if there are no problems. It depends heavily on the area, as different police forces have different policies. Also agencies in England would take up to a maximum of 30%, as opposed to up to 50% in Ireland. The majority of ladies choose to work with an agency quite happily, and would not want the stress and hassle of running an online business on top of working as an escort.
02-11-10, 12:45
boggerboy

This.

(And I agree about the money thing too, I want the girl to get all the cash)

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Originally Posted by Paddii

I just wouldn't go to an agency because of the possibility (however remote) that the girl might be trafficked and escorting against her will
02-11-10, 13:00
Westsidex

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Originally Posted by DD Top

How are agencies let open in the UK?

Its not illegal in the UK.

Westside.
02-11-10, 13:16
Lucy Chambers

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Originally Posted by Westsidex

Its not illegal in the UK.

Westside.

Yes it is.
02-11-10, 13:37
Paddii

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Originally Posted by Westsidex

We have had several agencies busted in the last year and no trafficking involved in them. 99% of women work of their own freewill indep and agency included.

Westside.

We've had a few busted in Belfast in recent times and nine girls rescued
02-11-10, 13:47
Westsidex

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Originally Posted by Paddii

We've had a few busted in Belfast in recent times and nine girls rescued

I can only go by what i know here in the Rep. Im not saying that trafficking doesnt exist but i still call bs on that being the main reason why guys go to indeps. Guys go to indeps because they hope they get a better deal, time etc not because of concern. If they were this concerned they wouldnt visit escorts period.

Westside,
02-11-10, 13:57
Paddii

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Originally Posted by Westsidex

I can only go by what i know here in the Rep. Im not saying that trafficking doesnt exist but i still call bs on that being the main reason why guys go to indeps. Guys go to indeps because they hope they get a better deal, time etc not because of concern. If they were this concerned they wouldnt visit escorts period.

Westside,

Ah now ur touching on the question of there being a moralilty within the whole practice of visiting escorts. I can only speak for myself and u can only speak for yrself. Whilst I have made my choice to "punt" I'm going to go all out to make sure to the best of my ability and knowledge that the person I am visiting is there of her own volition, and that it is business. Of course I know there is no failsafe, but choosing independents is my way of keeping myself satisfied that this is so. Not bs to me.

Services are services whether they be from independent or agency girls
02-11-10, 16:07
Experienced Punter esq

must admit I went to agencies solely when I started out punting for a long time you'll just get the hr. I've probably had my best experiences with agencies before discovering this place whereby I looked at profiles of so called independent girls turns out most of them are agencies too! The thing I liked about agencies was if u meet a real nice type u would like to see again u can convince her to give u her no.to call someday where we dont go through the agency therefore getting a cheaper price! I'm very convincing.....
02-11-10, 16:16
Westsidex

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Originally Posted by Paddii

Ah now ur touching on the question of there being a moralilty within the whole practice of visiting escorts. I can only speak for myself and u can only speak for yrself. Whilst I have made my choice to "punt" I'm going to go all out to make sure to the best of my ability and knowledge that the person I am visiting is there of her own volition, and that it is business. Of course I know there is no failsafe, but choosing independents is my way of keeping myself satisfied that this is so. Not bs to me.

Services are services whether they be from independent or agency girls

What i am getting at is if guys were that concerned about the escorts they wouldnt be so hard as far as prices, demanding services and just general consideration as a whole.

I stand over what i say. Guys go to indeps because they hope that they have a longer better time.With agencies this wont happen.

Westside.
02-11-10, 16:18
Westsidex

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Originally Posted by Experienced Punter esq

The thing I liked about agencies was if u meet a real nice type u would like to see again u can convince her to give u her no.to call someday where we dont go through the agency therefore getting a cheaper price! I'm very convincing.....

My point proven.

I thank you Ex P,
Westside.
02-11-10, 17:41
Paddii

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Originally Posted by Westsidex

What i am getting at is if guys were that concerned about the escorts they wouldnt be so hard as far as prices, demanding services and just general consideration as a whole.

I stand over what i say. Guys go to indeps because they hope that they have a longer better time.With agencies this wont happen.

Westside.

Well I'm a guy and I go to independents for different reasons than u suggest. Get over it man! I don't get this bartering over prices and wanting to stay for longer than u paid for. I see it in reviews all the time that the guys got to stay far longer and think it's great, as ifthey got a bargain. As far as I'm concerned I pay what is asked and when the ipod stops, I know it's time to go. Of course conversation might mean the time goes on a little longer, but it is necessary to be aware that the escort's time belongs to them and not take the piss
02-11-10, 17:47
samlad

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Originally Posted by Paddii

Well I'm a guy and I go to independents for different reasons than u suggest. Get over it man! I don't get this bartering over prices and wanting to stay for longer than u paid for. I see it in reviews all the time that the guys got to stay far longer and think it's great, as ifthey got a bargain. As far as I'm concerned I pay what is asked and when the ipod stops, I know it's time to go. Of course conversation might mean the time goes on a little longer, but it is necessary to be aware that the escort's time belongs to them and not take the piss

Agreed. After all, it is their time you are paying for, and it could be very uncomfortable for the escorts if people start taking liberties.
02-11-10, 17:55
JohnRambo

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Originally Posted by irlcock

can someone explain why agencys arent favoured? and does the same go for agencys in england?

Not only is it important that the lady herself gets all of the fee but the girl is free to see whoever she wants, when she wants to see them and how many people she wishes to see on any given day. A lot of agency girls don’t have this basic human right which is simply wrong.
02-11-10, 17:55
Westsidex

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Originally Posted by Paddii

Get over it man!

Get over it? I was never under it for a start. I am speaking generally here. Read my posts again .When i mention your name it will be time enough for you to get all hot and bothered.

Westside.
02-11-10, 18:29
carlos marvado

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Originally Posted by Westsidex

What i am getting at is if guys were that concerned about the escorts they wouldnt be so hard as far as prices, demanding services and just general consideration as a whole.

I stand over what i say. Guys go to indeps because they hope that they have a longer better time.With agencies this wont happen.

Westside.

I agree with you Westie, but I think there are a number of reasons why most guys prefer independents.

What brought it home to me was when an independent escort who had initially worked for an agency said to me: - "When you go to an agency escort, you are a client of the agency, but when you go to an independent escort you are her client."

My perception of agencies is that they actually charge more in most cases then independents. The last time I did my Dublin price survey, at least 50% if not more of the escorts still charging €250 per hour were listed as agency escorts. So given that the split would seem to be 50/50 in Ireland, those escorts are actually getting €125 per hour. So even the independents charging €180 to €200 per hour are making more per client then an agency escort, plus the client is getting a better price.

The other problem is that many agencies seem to be using pictures of women who were either never working for them or no longer work for them. The escort does not control her own advert profile so that you can get favourites listed that the escort won't provide just to attract the clients. The escort has to see whatever clients the receptionist lines up for her, whether they are drunk or high, the receptionist wont care because she's not the one that's going to have to have sex with them. In addition, agencies seem to operate on the quantity rather than quality principle; get them in, get the money off them and then get them out as quickly as possible to make room for the next client, and as you say, you will definitely be working against the clock. In many cases the escorts will speak little or no English, so you could well have problems communicating what you want and you can say goodbye to conversation or light-hearted banter. It's the meat trade at it's worst.

In the case of the genuine independent escort, you know she is doing it for whatever reasons, but at least they are her own, she can choose when to work, how many clients to see, there is possibly a higher probability that all her favourites are on offer, some level of communication should be possible and most importantly you are her personal client and her reputation is her reputation. This should in theory, but may not necessarily always lead to a more accurate advertising profile, a more natural type of experience and better service levels, and finally more value for money. As you mention, in some cases, the independent escort may be more liberal with the clock because customer satisfaction and repeat business may be something which she values.

I can see why those escorts who are not able to organise themselves here due to a lack of English might go the agency route, but the only practical benefits I can see for the client is that they will get accurate details on how to get the incall location from somebody who speaks reasonable English and you probably wont end up being double booked because the receptionist is operating a traffick flow management system.
02-11-10, 18:50
Paddii

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Originally Posted by Westsidex

Get over it? I was never under it for a start. I am speaking generally here. Read my posts again .When i mention your name it will be time enough for you to get all hot and bothered.

Westside.

lol ur funny ;) Why were u debating with me then?
02-11-10, 22:05
Westsidex

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Originally Posted by Paddii

lol ur funny ;) Why were u debating with me then?

I wasnt,
Westside.
05-11-10, 20:02
daveboy

I am not an agency fan but there are advantages.

I was in Dublin this week and I called 8 girls listed on this site repeatedly over a 1.5 hour period. There was no answer to about 95% of my calls and the ones which were answered weren't free for a while. In the end I got so fed up I called an agency and I had a beautiful girl at my door inside 30 minutes.