Ok guys, it seems like this is getting out of hand and turning into a real slagging match. Now I will tell you all what really happen. This will be a very long story...
As I said before and you all know already I took part in this list thing and I was not against it, and still think that the basic idea behind is good. But I agree that big mistakes had been made, bad management, naive, out of control etc etc.
Ok the idea of the list starts few months ago last year. Abby came with this idea and discussed it on the girls private on the other site. Some of us find it a good idea and me too since like I explain before in my former threat, I use to work this way already in USA before comming to Ireland (see my threat https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...thought-2.html) As far as I know there where no discussion of people saying they where against it. So Abby start sending invitations to people and most of them regular posters. Some sign up, others didnīt. It was a spreadsheet under gmail account also with online chat. There was a sheet with bad clients and another with OK clients. The intention was to post only the last 6 digits for Republic of Ireland and last 7 digits for Northern Ireland. There where also few international numbers, Sweden, Norway, Scotland etc. The spreadsheet contains rows of Numbers, City, Any Other info, NO NAMES. In "any other info" some girls had posted additional info, sometimes that info was more then it should be. But I never saw anyone putting adress, car reg number, wife name, kids names, job info etc. I agree that there was no need to put any details and that they where personal and irrelevant.
Few months later I think end November-beginning December (correct me if Iīm wrong), there was an issue with LMN and Abby. LMN was also on the list group at that time. I donīt know exactly what happend but Abby banned her and she went to David of the other site and complain to him that we have a list with numbers of clients, personal details etc. David got mad and start asking us if thatīs true. I found it strange because it was never a secret among the girls, but perhaps he didnīt follow the boards when Abby posted about it. Anyway he said that he was terribly mad about this and that he will investigate this matter to the bottom etc etc and he will get back to us with his measurements. A whole discussion starts between the girls because we where still thinking we didnīt do anything wrong and we didnīt understand whatīs wrong doing this. I remember that some girls told Abby that the system was not so hacker safe. Some girls even did some math and said the 6-7 digit system is easy to guess the full number. So Abby decide that it was better to move the system to another hacker safe server. We recieve a letter of what her plans where. In the meantime she change the spreadsheet to a 5 digit (ROI) and 6 digit (NO) system until she will sort out to move it somewhere else. This had happen day (or days) before the spreadsheet got hacked.
The week of Christmas when almost nobody was around somebody hacked the system and get acces as like he was Abby. I was not in Ireland nor I didnīt logged in at that time,so I didnīt knew this was going on until later. I remember friday january 2nd I came to Ireland and check my email and I saw I did recieve an email of Abby that the system was hacked for days and that this person was talking to people doing as he was Abby etc etc. I told Abby I donīt know since I didnīt logged. You can see a piece of our correspondence here https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...st-update.html Abby also thought that I was the hacker. The thing is I also have a spreadsheet but of bad clients of the USA. I sent this to Abby because I want to share it with other girls that where traveling to USA. My spreadsheet was also under a gmail account. I give Abby acces to it but Abby never share it further to any other girls. But a link to my spreadsheet was also there and only me and Abby was able to see the USA black list since the others didnīt have acces. I donītknow how but Abby first thought that I was the hacker and that I did it true my spreadsheet etc, dont know exactly. Any way I logged into my USA gmail and saw that somebody had log into my account day before (the hacker) It was an USA IP adress from Los Angeles. The first thing I thought it was perhaps the USA police and that a friend that I give a copy of my USA blacklist got busted, and the police true my spreadsheet went in Irish one. But it didnīt make sence. And my friend was not busted anyway. Also why need the USA police the Irish list, they cannot do nothing with it. Anyway later it was clear that the hacker true the Irish system went to my system and not the oposite. Abby put everything down and she was saying that she will put it running in 24 hours on new system. BUT THAT NEVER HAPPEND!!!
What happend is the hacker hacked again second time. I start talking to the hacker thinking it was Abby. Then suddenly the hacker change to another email adress punters2000@live.co.uk. I ask him (thought it was Abby) why she did that. He said that he had to put down the other email and had put this up for the new system. I was stupid to believe him. Anyway the next day when I logged into my account every single email with conversation between me and this individual and also Abby has been deleted. Then I realise it was the hacker I was talking to. I saw the IP adress of the person who got in, and again was USA IP but this time Texas. I know that you can buy IP changer everywhere online and most of the times they change the IPīs to USA ones. So probably this person is using something like this with Proxy server etc. The hacker in the meantime had copy all info from the spreadsheet account and delete everything.
January 14th we all recieve a treatning email of "Tick Tock" the hacker. I ad it as atachment. It was very interesting to read the idea of this very ill minded person. Knowing myself that I will never allowd anybody threaten me and never let anybody demanding me what I have to do, I went to the police and report this matter.
Unfortunatly the police told me in the letter is no proof of any fysical damage that this person might do to us. Untill there is no direct danger to people they cannot take this issue further. They also told me also that even if this guy goes and trying to blackmail people on the list, the list contains only incomplete numbers, nothing can proof that a bunch of incomplete numbers is the number of that person. Even if you guess the remaining numbers, its only guessing and that can never be use in court in any case. Also there where no names, last names, adress etc linked to numbers. Nobody can ever proof that a number really belong to somebody. They also told me that the police have no interest in a list with incomplete (or complete) phone numbers of some punters anyway. They cannot and will not make any case about something like this. Punters visiting escorts is still not illegal in Ireland. So the statement of Tick Tock The Hacker that he will sent this to the Garda and that this is non fatal offence against the person/persons" act and also comes under mis-use of the "privicy and personal information" act is usseles. There are no names, no adress and no complete numbers on good client list. So I really donīt think that guys should be worry about blackmailing. But I can understand the concerns about some personal details that where mentioned on the list.
I have also to say that this evil person HAS alter and change things!!!! That letter that wa sputting on here about the new database "based on 6 numbers and not 7 ....this cuts the
ratio chance of someone guessing a clients number to around" IS NOT TRUE!!!! The original letter of Abby NEVER said this. I cannot get to my acount to see if I still have the original letter because I forgot my password when I change it. I will see if I can find my password and have the original letter. I think someone on IIE has post it already. It said clearly the new system will be based on 5 numbers!!!!! So this evil person clearly have bad intentions because he is changing the original info. Also the 6-7 digit list he is sending around is the old spreadsheet before Abby change it to 5 digit. The last remaining spreadsheet before the hacker got in WAS 5 DIGIT!!! So I suspect that perhaps the WEAK ESCORT LINK have copy the 6 digit spreadsheet before it got changed to 5 digit and provide it to the hacker. Also the list of the girls member of the spreadsheet is also not complete. This guy is just changing things the way he wants!!!! Also in my knowledge the new system has never gone up like this evil person is letting people think now.
I think with the whole list thing mistakes had been made and perhaps it was reckless and brainless to do things the way we did. You guys can call us stupid, dumb and whatever you want. Many of us will done things diferent if we can go back, but we cant now anymore. As I said before in my case I donīt see the idea about OK system wrong but agree that shouldīt be specific details. I still think that some guys had blown the whole situation up with scary scenarios what can happen to their privacy etc etc. Now everyone is afraid of things that never will happend in my opinion. I know many of you will linch me and and will not share my opinion. They are free to do so. Everybody has their own view about things.
Ok my following step about this matter is that Iīm planning to get a solicitor and see with him if I can do an official report at the garda and sue this hacker. But the problem is that I have my suspicions but donīt have solid proof who this person might be so perhaps there are people that may want to help me found out? If so let me know.
Something has to be done, this person is more then Evil. Will keep you informed.
Jessie
My Story About The List, What Really Happend
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19-02-09, 03:11jessieMy Story About The List, What Really Happend
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19-02-09, 03:13jessieTick Tock Threatning Email
Ok please someone help me here,I want toput the Tick Tock threatning email but cannot uploud it.
Help!!!!
Ok will post it down here....
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On Wed, 14/1/09, Tick Tock <tockt@rocketmail.com> wrote:
From: Tick Tock <tockt@rocketmail.com>
Subject: client list
To: popti69@googlemail.com, jesica10101976@gmail.com, jana.dob@gmail.com, brownsugarxxxx@googlemail.com
Date: Wednesday, 14 January, 2009, 7:57 PM
--- On Wed, 14/1/09, Tick Tock <tockt@rocketmail.com> wrote:
From: Tick Tock <tockt@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Fw:
To: edinburgherin@googlemail.com
Date: Wednesday, 14 January, 2009, 7:54 PM
--- On Wed, 14/1/09, Tick Tock <tockt@rocketmail.com> wrote:
From: Tick Tock <tockt@rocketmail.com>
Subject:
To: di.marshalmajers@gmail.com
Date: Wednesday, 14 January, 2009, 7:51 PM
Hello Girls , Im sure by now the intelligent among yous have figured out that some guys are getting close to knowing what yous are doing with good client numbers .They are not all as thick as yous would like to think they are and some already know that there is something not right ,so we are here to help them along and fill in the gaps and names .This has only been a rumour up to now on a few boards but that is all going to change in the near future .
This post is just to show what we have (see below and attachments ) and what we intend to do with it.You are not the only ones who can form a group to change things for the good of escorting , the difference been that we have the good of our clients and IIE at heart .Most of us have been on IIE long before Abby and the rest of you ever decided to come and try to corner the market for yourselves . IIE might suffer initally, but without yous trying to bring it down with greed tactics (thinly disguised as a safety issue ) it will blossom again and come back stronger than ever .
Firstly this document will be made public on every site throughout Ireland and the UK in the next few weeks with the names of the girls involved in this unethical scheme .Secondly,if that doesnt work, a copy will also be sent to the Police in the Republic of Ireland as what Abby is proposing and has done is illegal under their "non fatal offence against the person/persons" act and also comes under mis-use of the "privicy and personal information" act . So expect a visit from the local Garda on your next tours , they will have a few questions for you to answer .Im sure the Police throughout the UK ,Europe and specially in the USA would also be very interested to see this list .
Also we will be highlighting the dangerous situations you put your fellow working girls in , by not supplying bad clients numbers on the appropriate boards for them to see and leaving them out there on a limb.
So Abby , its time for you and your boyfriend to stand up and be counted to save face for the rest of the girls as this was your brainchild from the very beginning .Sharing the good clients numbers was bad enough but to leave a space for girls to add names and little comments about their clients . It just goes to show how little yous care about your clients when yous are quite happy to give over their numbers when they've no control over how they're used or where they'll end up.
Some punters when reading Abbys letter might believe that they have nothing to fear with you only having the last six digits of their number , but what Abby didnt take into consideration was the fact (something which we will be highlighting strongly)that Ireland only went to seven digit phone numbers seven or eight years ago and the numbers that are showing on her list are actually full numbers that only have to have the number two placed before them to make it a proper live number with an innocent unsuspecting client on the end of the line. Given the fact that there were only two networks in the country at that time , it is also safe to assume that most numbers will be prefixed by 087 or 086 . You dont need a degree in maths to figure out that Abbys ridiculous claim of any number has odds of 20,000/1 of been decoded is vastly exaggerated , its possible with twenty two attempts . Now you can see why shes an escort and not a maths professor .
Have fun discussing this mail between yourselves and im sure Abby will be tryin to put yous all at ease saying you have nothing to fear and that the letter and screenshots arent proof of anything but we all know the reality , mud sticks when its thrown and cops love I.T crime because its so easy to solve as there is always a paper trail left in PCs /laptops even when deleted from the hard drive .
This is your choice , dont let her ruin your businesses because shes the wrong side of forty and this was designed to be her little nest egg of the future , oops sorry Abby!!!! had you not told them yet that you are going to be charging for this service in the near future when you got your new microsoft sheet up and running , sorry about that sweetie , but its just some more food for thought for the girls when making their decisions on how to handle this situation .
Our solution is simple , we want Abby to announce on IIE that she will not be touring Ireland/Northern Ireland ever again and that all her posts, adverts and reviews be removed, plus a apology to all other girls and David on IIE . As for the girls who signed up to the list, we realise how easy some of you could be duped into thinking this was a good idea with the exception of Alyssa (a fucking newsletter no less ), Sasha Eve , Jessie , Beauty Brenda ,Mys Diana and Popti who clearly were 100% behind this judging by their letters of support to Abby throughout this sorry saga .We would be willing to let bygones be bygones, but we want an unreserved public apology to the rest of the IIE girls from all of ye , to be posted on the girls section with a promise to David that this will not happen again , and if it does there will be no more chances for any of ye . If Abby or any one girl decides that they are above an apology we will continue with our actions .
We look forward to your replies and any other worthwhile solutions ye can come up with to stop this going any further . Please dont insult our intelligence by trying to deny what is going on, we have all the proof, and at least one contributing girl who has seen the harm this can cause clients and IIE and has already co-operated with us .
ABBYS EMAIL TO JOIN HER SPREADSHEET GOOD CLIENTS LIST
id like to invite you to a new online database that can search mobile numbers within seconds and tell you if they are a goodguy or badguy
its been setup by me within the last week to help the regular girls on IIE stay safe in these troubled times with all the nutters about.
its works by us all making a comittment to entering all our goodguy & badguy numbers from your phone or
diary onto the system and to continue to enter every booking you take.
your goodguy clients will remain annonymous and be protected against other escorts abusing the system and
contacting them direct as you do not have to give their full number .
the system works by entering the goodguys,look & go's, timewasters etc
when you search the system you enter the last 6 numbers of a mobile and it will tell you if it has been entered onto the system as a good or bad number.
within the first 5 days we already have 2600+ goodguys and 2200+ bad guys that you can search within seconds
its a very easy system to use .. no need to download anything.. its all online and you can be adding and searching the numbers within minutes
if you would like to join then please setup a google email account along the lines of your escort name and let me
know and i will add you so that you can begin to add your numbers and use the system to seach when you take a call
hope to hear from you soon
abby x
Escorts who have joined
Derryrose
Heather UK
Alyssa
Lynn
Sweet Cherri
Brown Sugar
Miss Sienna
Diana M
Popti
Beauty Brenda
Leah
Marianna
Sasha Eve
Jessie
Choclate Delight
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19-02-09, 04:06nicegirlsarenice
2200+ seems like an awful lot of potential murderers/thieves/abusive/unhygienic guys walking around... :confused: It's nearly as much as the good clients list. :eek:
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19-02-09, 05:29StewieThats because the bad list can be anybodyQuote:
Originally Posted by nicegirlsarenice
It could be someone who was late for Appointment, did not turn up, Left bad review, hung up before the girl answered the phone, sent and SMS, did not send an SMS, Turned up did not like the look of the escort or her accommodation, had an argument with in on the message boards, It could even be a good client that the girl does not want to share,
Thats the problem with these lists people can be added to a bad list for the most spurious of reasons and of course you have no idea that you are on a list or how you got there.
The list these girls were running used very spurious excuses for placing numbers on a bad list, with notes saying stuff like " think he might be a time waster " to such an extent that when the list was hacked it had over 5000 entries in the bad client list.
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19-02-09, 10:36jessieThe bad client list is to warn others about someone that in your eyes was a bad client such as timewaisters. But a bad experience with a person doesnīt mean always that this same person will do bad with others. But in 99% of the cases it is. For a girl to choose if she really wants to see a guy on bad list or not. The girl has to make her own judgement but she has been warned. I have seen clients blacklisted and sometimes they turn out to be fine and I think many girls has done this. It depends the offence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stewie
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19-02-09, 12:33anitasizzleEver heard of instincts?
Whatever happened to PRIMAL INSTINCTS-my instincts are so good in regards to my work phone that not only can I tell when my safety is jeopardy , I can also tell when there's going be a MAJOR RAID; I can even tell when CZECH GANGSTERS are about to be hit by Garda.
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19-02-09, 19:05jessie
TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT THE LIST STORY AND GOT BANNED FROM IIE.
HOW ODD CAN THAT BE.........:rolleyes:
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19-02-09, 19:54ninebythreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Jessie
thats mad jessie,
maybe David and his gimp were in on the list or hacking the list , and maybe thats why he wanted the girls to keep quiet while he completed his so called "investigation".
did he ever make his findings known.
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19-02-09, 20:04lutherI guess it's true what they say about the truth Jessie, "it hurts" and "it WILL set you free"Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie
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19-02-09, 20:53ninebythree
Stay here and play with us Jessie...........we are a lot more fun anyway.
And besides , you can only get banned here for shooting someone:D:D:D
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19-02-09, 21:03thehighwayman
I was surprised to see banned beside her profile. I tried to see what she said that would get her banned and nothing. It seems telling the truth got her banned. Unless it was against the rules while investigating the list. That's what everyone wanted from the start, the truth.
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19-02-09, 21:34ninebythreeQuote:
Originally Posted by thehighwayman
heir david doesnt like the truth. they solved the mystery of shergar quicker that one of davids investigation. But i suppose it doesnt help if he has to stop every ten minutes to roger heir gimp jake:D:D
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19-02-09, 22:11thehighwayman
Jake said to David the other day, I want the truth. Davids reply you can't handle the truth :D
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19-02-09, 22:16WTFandtheir probably playing snooker with Lord Lucan now,Quote:
Originally Posted by thehighwayman
Westside. -
19-02-09, 22:40thehighwayman
Probably and I heard bin laden was there too.
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19-02-09, 23:38*Tasha*Hey JessieQuote:
Originally Posted by Jessie
I still luv ya,
I'm coming over to give support and have some fun ;)
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19-02-09, 23:43jessieHi Tasha nice to see u here. Glad you popped in to have some fun here.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Tasha*
Thank u so much for the support.
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19-02-09, 23:44thehighwayman
Welcome to the more chilled out forum Tasha. Your allowed an opinion here :D
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19-02-09, 23:50*Tasha*Quote:
Originally Posted by thehighwayman
PMSL...
Does that mean I dont get hung drawn and quatered, fried on a BBQ and have my head put on a pole as an example to everyone that feels I shouldnt have my say!!...lol
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19-02-09, 23:54thehighwayman
I don't think Frank Js here unless he's here as another user. If he hears your here he'll be over with all the northern boys.
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20-02-09, 00:38*Tasha*Quote:
Originally Posted by thehighwayman
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20-02-09, 00:38carlos marvadoNo Tasha, those sort of things just dont happen here.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Tasha*
But if you feel up to a spot of roasting, I'll get one of the brothers to join us. :D:D:D -
20-02-09, 00:40ninebythreeQuote:
Originally Posted by carlos marvado
sign me up lol
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20-02-09, 00:44*Tasha*
Lol ......... :d
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20-02-09, 01:09carlos marvadoThis section of Jessie's post may go someway to explaining her banning on IIE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie
Abby discussed her idea with other escorts in the escorts private section on IIE. Jessie does'nt say whether this is a private chat room or private forum, but the indication is that David, Jake or one of their crew should have been aware of their discussions, plans and maybe even the fact that the list had been set up. Maybe they chose to ignore what the chat log/forum discussions were plainly telling them.
Then things get out of hand when LMN complained to David about the lists existence....it could no longer be ignored. So seemingly David institutes his investigation sometime in December. Subsequently this list gets hacked/copied and finds its way into the light of day and then the shit hits the fan. All this time, the girls have been instructed by David to say nothing about this and they say nothing....until they have no option but to confess. Seems the investigation is still ongoing and while everybody else is airing their opinions and tearing strips out of each other, IIE maintains an official stony silence on the matter.
I suspect they've been caught with their pants down and are looking for scape goats. This scandal could spell the end not just for the escorts involved but for IIE also.
Compare this to the action taken by E-I. No sooner has Patricia got a copy in her possession then she invites concerned clients to pm her with their punting number and E-I will confirm whether or not their number appears on the list.
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20-02-09, 11:29carlos marvadoMaybe David's "investigation" is reaching a conclusion or at least a climax of some description. In addition to Jessie, Abby UK and lil miss naughty are now also marked as being in the banned group, as is a shit for brains character called Joe Blogger.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninebythree
American Pie is down as a member of the Disabled Group. Not knowing how they work over there, I'm not sure if this is a reference to a physical disability or whether her account has been disabled. -
20-02-09, 11:55anitasizzleFrom what I've been told, she's in a JAIL CELL up North:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by carlos marvado
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20-02-09, 13:23ninebythreeQuote:
Originally Posted by anitasizzle
best place for her:D:D
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20-02-09, 15:00thehighwayman
Carlos her account has been disbaled. The police raided her and she got arrested. As she breached her visa requirements by working.
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20-02-09, 15:03thehighwayman
It's not the only list to be revealed this week. The oscar winners for next month was leaked online.
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20-02-09, 15:16annasavichaQuote:
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20-02-09, 17:13thehighwayman
No, not you this time :D
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20-02-09, 17:33annasavicha
Thanks god!!!!!!!!!!!
As i was too busy with the list the santa lost...........i needed preparation for pre-party
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