Too many fakes in Cork again

Sugar, Michelle, Jenni, Elisabeth, Ksenija, Cayla, and the best till last .... Helena and Abi are girls who are genuinely independent and have good reputation for quality service.

I've been with Sophie, and had a great time, but she gets mixed reports.

All the others seem to be agency girls posing as independent. Its getting beyond a joke at this stage :mad:


All of these are definitely from that agency ....



Agency, agency, agency, agency, agency, agency, agency, agency, agency, agency, agency, agency.



Why cant they just register as an agency like all the others and be done with it?
Why do guys have to be tricked into it and only realise when its too late.

Their details are complete crap, they will tell you any sort of bullshit on the phone and when you arrive and you realise it too late when you're money is with the pimp.

These girls clearly don't enjoy their work and in my opinion are being exploited. Why cant the moderators do anything about this. Seriously ..... its beyond a joke now, way beyond it :mad::(

Actually, i think Sinitta is independent too but no reviews, no verified photos and not favourites so will not be calling.

Can I ask why you think all these ladies are from one agency?

They all have different email addresses, phone numbers, pay for their ads with different bank cards etc... I don't see why they are all from one agency without any explanation as to why you think that.

I just got a male friend to call them also, and the ones that answered sounded like different girls to him.

Patricia you say they all have different phone numbers but a quick Google of the numbers throws up interesting connections, it isn't very hard to do.

Mailman is more or less spot on with his assessment.

A lot of the mobile numbers return results for countless other escorts and while it is not unheard of for escorts touring together to share a phone it would be rather difficult to do so when the escorts in question aren't even in the same area but scattered throughout the country.

While the rip off agencies continue to provide a shit service and post fake profiles promising one thing and delivering another they deserve to be highlighted and boycotted.
Why do you think they go to the bother of posting false profiles?i
If they offered a decent service surely they would look to build a reputation and gain a loyal clientbase.

There are a few (not many) genuine agencies around and they adverttise as agencies but those who claim to be independent when in fact aren't obviously do so because they know they are offering a shite service so even if the current advertised "independent" escorts provides a shit service she will be rotated to another location (presumably with another name) and another will take her place thus enabling the pimps to continue providing a crap service.

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Originally Posted by Patricia

Can I ask why you think all these ladies are from one agency?

They all have different email addresses, phone numbers, pay for their ads with different bank cards etc... I don't see why they are all from one agency without any explanation as to why you think that.

I just got a male friend to call them also, and the ones that answered sounded like different girls to him.

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Patricia, i dont know the in's and out's of this clandestine group(s) nor do i claim to. I am only going on what i have observed.

There isn't a doubt in my mind that these are all agency girls ..... again, not one doubt.

Google is everybody's friend, like dirtydan i have used it. Just on the phone numbers initially but go beyond that and there is a pattern. Punters do this so they dont get caught. Bad reviews, fake reviews, fake photos and process of elimination normally help us avoid these situations.

Go beyond that, you have telephone manner* and what you are told on the phone [different person]. Then you have directions, and then meeting the [actual] girl (i.e. they have to check in with the pimp).

Patricia ... environment ... atmosphere .... interaction. The girls, for the most part simply do not want to be there. I'm going to spit it out ..... they are there against their will, it is not a choice they considered and chose. It was an ultimatum they were given. There seems to have been no option, just demand.

Do you know what its like meeting a girl who does not want to meet you, in that exact situation? Do you know what is going through our heads at that moment, and more importantly what is going through her head? Her family maybe?

I think that these girls are trafficked !!! :mad::(

I know you'll refute that, i wouldn't blame you but this is me telling you that this is what i observe.

You are not party to this, i'm not saying you condone it (passively or otherwise) and you not being at the cold face of it either, you are removed from it a few degrees and cant interpret it but i'm saying that, as a punter this is what i perceive it to be.

*Tell you male friend that its not the girls (receptionists) on the phone he has to listen to.

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Originally Posted by dirtydan

Patricia you say they all have different phone numbers but a quick Google of the numbers throws up interesting connections, it isn't very hard to do.

Mailman is more or less spot on with his assessment.

A lot of the mobile numbers return results for countless other escorts and while it is not unheard of for escorts touring together to share a phone it would be rather difficult to do so when the escorts in question aren't even in the same area but scattered throughout the country.

While the rip off agencies continue to provide a shit service and post fake profiles promising one thing and delivering another they deserve to be highlighted and boycotted.
Why do you think they go to the bother of posting false profiles?i
If they offered a decent service surely they would look to build a reputation and gain a loyal clientbase.

There are a few (not many) genuine agencies around and they advertise as agencies but those who claim to be independent when in fact aren't obviously do so because they know they are offering a shite service so even if the current advertised "independent" escorts provides a shit service she will be rotated to another location (presumably with another name) and another will take her place thus enabling the pimps to continue providing a crap service.

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I will say that there are agencies, advertised here as agencies that seem to be ok, not my cup of tea but they are ok. The girls seem to be in a good environment.

There is only one agency that that have seen that treat girls and clients very well, above and beyond that call of duty if you will, and most of the time are better that genuine independents ...... ROW

The 'independent' agency that i'm referring to is none of the above. They are nameless, unknown and clandestine. They pose independent girls but clearly are not. I have never heard a good report from them and i seriously doubt i ever will.

Lads, if you do find yourself in this situation, speak to the girl and ask her what the situation is. Its not a great conversation but engage in it.

the is definatly a case for action to be taken by patricia,but seriously can u see her doing anything about it. if u do the math she is making more money from girls advertising as independents than an agency.

mailman u are spot on about ure assesment of this secret agency in cork.its being going on for a while.

but at the end of the day , pat isnt going to do anything about it . 3 times in the last 3 months i have put up on the message board about agency girls posing as indos .anything done NO. ( two of these girls are advertising in cork at the minute as independents)

It really is a load of old shit .............but can u really see Patricia losing money over our complaints:( i dont think so.

nbt

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Originally Posted by Patricia

Can I ask why you think all these ladies are from one agency?

They all have different email addresses, phone numbers, pay for their ads with different bank cards etc... I don't see why they are all from one agency without any explanation as to why you think that.

I just got a male friend to call them also, and the ones that answered sounded like different girls to him.

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He is right.My bro and me have different emails,phones and bank stuff etc.He was here last night and if you phoned him and me ,guess what??Yes different ppl would answer.

I know of this group and the guys are right Sweetie.

People arent that stupid,
Westside.

If there is a 'fake' agency why the fuck are you all tip toeing around it. Print the name or shut the fuck up. Are we all supposed to follow the tips to track down this 'agency' Gimme the fucking name cos I'm tired of playing Colombo. Surely if an agency is accused wrongly they will come back and defend itself. There are only four in Cork and I know two are definitely the real deal. So come on spill the beans, sing like a stoolie but just fucking say it.

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If there is a 'fake' agency why the fuck are you all tip toeing around it. Print the name or shut the fuck up. Are we all supposed to follow the tips to track down this 'agency' Gimme the fucking name cos I'm tired of playing Colombo. Surely if an agency is accused wrongly they will come back and defend itself. There are only four in Cork and I know two are definitely the real deal. So come on spill the beans, sing like a stoolie but just fucking say it.

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I agree, who are we worried about offending here....we are the ones who should be offended..

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Originally Posted by Langer

I'm tired of playing Colombo.

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my old fella always watched Columbo but i always thought he was a langer.


Damn right again,
Westside.

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Originally Posted by Langer

If there is a 'fake' agency why the fuck are you all tip toeing around it. Print the name or shut the fuck up. Are we all supposed to follow the tips to track down this 'agency' Gimme the fucking name cos I'm tired of playing Colombo. Surely if an agency is accused wrongly they will come back and defend itself. There are only four in Cork and I know two are definitely the real deal. So come on spill the beans, sing like a stoolie but just fucking say it.

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You really are aptly named.
The fact that everything has to be spelled out for you reflects poorly on you and shows your naivety.

This Agency doesn't have a name, it's just a group of pimps who import girls not just to Cork but other counties particularly Limerick, Galway, and Kerry etc and call them independents.

Some of these escorts are put up in hotels and a lot of them in Cork are based in that hovel on the lower road just below the train station. Their operation is transient and they never stay in the same place for more than a few months.

Regular punters ringing so called independent escorts and getting directed to the same location time after time tend to twig these things.......some obviously take longer than others :D

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Originally Posted by dirtydan

You really are aptly named.
The fact that everything has to be spelled out for you reflects poorly on you and shows your naivety.

This Agency doesn't have a name, it's just a group of pimps who import girls not just to Cork but other counties particularly Limerick, Galway, and Kerry etc and call them independents.

Some of these escorts are put up in hotels and a lot of them in Cork are based in that hovel on the lower road just below the train station. Their operation is transient and they never stay in the same place for more than a few months.

Regular punters ringing so called independent escorts and getting directed to the same location time after time tend to twig these things.......some obviously take longer than others :D

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human tracfficking has being mentioned more than once here and before in a seperate thread.

Common Sweetie??
Westside.

I never mentioned trafficking.
I said girls were imported, ie, brought from one location to another.
Whether this importation is done by consent is something I have no knowledge of much the same as I would have no real knowledge of the circumstances of any other escort.

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Originally Posted by dirtydan

I never mentioned trafficking.
I said girls were imported, ie, brought from one location to another.
Whether this importation is done by consent is something I have no knowledge of much the same as I would have no real knowledge of the circumstances of any other escort.

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If i contributed to a persons unhappiness for my own pleasure it would seriously trouble me.This is why i never ask an escort to do anything.I let it come from her.This isnt me being nice,i just dont think its my place whether im paying or not.Everyone is different.

Not gfs anyways,
Westside.

The fact that we are discussing this subject here and the fact that some of us wouldn't even consider visiting these escorts who cause us concern means we also have the moral standards you claim to have.

Unfortunately there are those who only think with their dick and as long as they are happy it's a case of phoook everyone else.

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Originally Posted by dirtydan

The fact that we are discussing this subject here and the fact that some of us wouldn't even consider visiting these escorts who cause us concern means we also have the moral standards you claim to have.

Unfortunately there are those who only think with their dick and as long as they are happy it's a case of phoook everyone else.

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Sincerely,
Westside.

Sorry lads, I was busy in the recording studio (https://www.escort-ireland.com/busin...its-guide.html) and didn't see this thread's updates until now.

I certainly don't want trafficked girls advertised on this website.

And I would appreciate it if anyone has any suggestions as to what we can practically do to deter this happening.

I haven't gone off Googling to see if I can find links between the phone numbers of any of these ladies yet etc, but say I do that now, and I find links... What can we best do about it?

If we confront the ladies and tell them we think they are an agency etc... Are they not just going to go away and come back with new numbers? If we refuse to take ads from them, won't they just change their names, photos etc too?

What can we do about this? Your ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

Pat x

Anyone found to be guilty of false adverttising, be it agencies or actual independents, should be banned and forfeit their advert fee.
If they don't learn from their mistake and come back again in a different guise and are again found out then ban them again and keep doing so until the message gets through to all that it will not be tolerated.

For the site it will mean short term pain for long term gain.

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Originally Posted by Patricia

Sorry lads, I was busy in the recording studio (https://www.escort-ireland.com/busin...its-guide.html) and didn't see this thread's updates until now.

I certainly don't want trafficked girls advertised on this website.

And I would appreciate it if anyone has any suggestions as to what we can practically do to deter this happening.

I haven't gone off Googling to see if I can find links between the phone numbers of any of these ladies yet etc, but say I do that now, and I find links... What can we best do about it?

If we confront the ladies and tell them we think they are an agency etc... Are they not just going to go away and come back with new numbers? If we refuse to take ads from them, won't they just change their names, photos etc too?

What can we do about this? Your ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

Pat x

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I think its up to clients who suspect tracfficking and / ill treatment to write an unsigned note or an anonymous call to the police.Its up to the girls themselves beyond that.

You dont call into any obviously so your knowledge would be limited.Yes ,your right in what you say,theyll just change everything and its back to the same old story.

All guys can do if they are serious is to boycott the culprits but this is good old Ireland where standing up for oneself seems to be a bad thing.

I even stand up when urinating:D
Westside.

DIRTYDAN: This Agency doesn't have a name, it's just a group of pimps who import girls not just to Cork but other counties particularly Limerick, Galway, and Kerry etc and call them independents.

Some of these escorts are put up in hotels and a lot of them in Cork are based in that hovel on the lower road just below the train station. Their operation is transient and they never stay in the same place for more than a few months.

Regular punters ringing so called independent escorts and getting directed to the same location time after time tend to twig these things.......some obviously take longer than others

So basically Dirty Dan this is your take on it. How the fuck do you know about pimps, different counties, being put up in hotels etc etc. Its complete guesswork on your behalf without a shred of proof. Because if you could prove it, then trafficking would be definite. But you cant prove it...fact

And what is fact is: There is no agency involved ...full stop....even if it were happening like you said...it is not an agency! Can you understand that DirtyDan or would you like me to type more slowly??

and more of you showing your ignorance:

DIRTYDAN I never mentioned trafficking.
I said girls were imported, ie, brought from one location to another.
Whether this importation is done by consent is something I have no knowledge of much the same as I would have no real knowledge of the circumstances of any other escort

Consent to be 'imported' or not...is trafficking you fucking simpleton. You cannot import a human being...FULL STOP... you idiot.

So basically up to now its all hearsay and supposition in your little mind. On the other hand I'm not saying its not true but where the fuck did you get your adventure story from? pimps, trafficking, hovels...there is a book in there somewhere or it shows you are an avid Sunday World reader and we all know how fucking brain dead you'd want to be to believe that rag.

And as Colombo would say: Just one last question....Is Dirtydan and indication of your personal hygiene or your morals?:D

You really are some langer.

This hard man/seasoned punter image you try to cultivate sadly falls well short of the mark
Every time you post you show yourself up and all your bravado and bluster means nothing at all.

This one line out of all the shit you wrote just about sums you up….. So basically up to now its all hearsay and supposition in your little mind. On the other hand I'm not saying its not true……………

Your lack of knowledge of the local escort scene is not in itself a bad thing but when some pseudo monger like you comes along and gives it the big “I am” and then subsequently fails to live up to his self proclaimed hype without even the most basic insight into how things work I find it hilarious.

Be a good little boy now and climb back in your box, I have already wasted too much time on a muppet like you.

PS. Seeing as you have difficulty understanding some words I wrote in particular the definition of the word "IMPORT" I will include the following link to help you out.....no need to thank me.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=import

I have to congratulate you on your intelligently worded reply to my concerns on your alluded conspiracy. Its all quite clear to me now.

I apologise if I spoiled your little story but I was just trying to stop you making a bigger fucking dope out of yourself. But you have done the impossible, you singlehandedly even managed to make a bigger prick of yourself.

I have seen more active intelligence in frog spawn, do you work for the Sunday World by any chance?

Seeing as you are obviously someone who is an aggressive poster but can’t bear to have your own posts or yourself questioned or contradicted I could toy with you all night.
At any given time I could get a prescribed response from you....…ever heard of Pavlov’s dog?

You could be my bitch.

Erm... I think you missed something old stock? I questioned your post and you done the Pavlov’s dog bit as you will again. You're to fucking studid to even realise I'm just here to get a reaction from dickheads like you. So come on doggy take the bait:D By the time I'm finished with you, I will make you sound dumber that Flyshit:D An amazing feat some people might think but ok so its true I haven't far to go and it will be easy with you.

SIT MankyDan or DirtyDick or FilthyFucker or PavlovsPrick

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Originally Posted by Patricia

Sorry lads, I was busy in the recording studio (https://www.escort-ireland.com/busin...its-guide.html) and didn't see this thread's updates until now.

I certainly don't want trafficked girls advertised on this website.

And I would appreciate it if anyone has any suggestions as to what we can practically do to deter this happening.

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First suggestion, can you split Langers posts into another thread. They are bringing this off topic.

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I certainly don't want trafficked girls advertised on this website.

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I wouldn't blame you, unknowing punters who end up visiting them would seriously reconsider punting again after experiencing that scenario. It WILL affect the standard of this site and people will treat it with scepticism after that experience.

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I haven't gone off Googling to see if I can find links between the phone numbers of any of these ladies yet etc, but say I do that now, and I find links... What can we best do about it?

If we confront the ladies and tell them we think they are an agency etc... Are they not just going to go away and come back with new numbers? If we refuse to take ads from them, won't they just change their names, photos etc too?

What can we do about this? Your ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

Pat x

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I dont know Pat, i dont have the solution but i do know there is a problem.

This isn't a situation of an escort providing poor service and punters giving out about it. This is going beyond that, it is not an escort providing a service. Escorts have the option to not see a client if they are worried about their safety. These girls see clients because they have a quota to meet.

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An escort charges for her time and companionship only. Yes, escorts often have sex with their clients, but that is a matter of coincidence and choice between consenting adults... It is not the escort selling sex to the client!

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There is no coincidence here. These girls do not have a choice. Its a bad seedy environment for them and its not about time and companionship.

In my opinion this is going into a whole other area aside from escorting. Its abuse and exploitation. It is forced labour. Normal rules should not apply.

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"We are a female owned and operated business that cares about the escorts that advertise with us, the clients that use our website and the overall well-being of our industry. We work very hard to provide a top quality service to our advertising customers and website users."

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This situation does not fit the bill Pat, and no where near it. I cannot define it for you and differentiate but its clearly not the same thing.

Some suggested that ringing the Gardai is the most practical way to deal with it. Its definitely something that should be brought to their attention.

For punters, this is more than and completely different to visiting an escort for time and companionship. Punters are unknowingly part taking is something that is criminal and morally wrong. These girls are not escorts. There is no mutual respect or consideration because their choice is not in the equation.

There are even more of them now :eek:

Where are they all coming from? Its unreal at this stage :mad:

Where does a punter stand if he goes to visit (1.) an independent escort and unknowingly ends up in (2.) a brothel with possibly trafficed girls?

Scenario 1 is completely different to scenario 2 as you can imagine, and there is no fine line to be considered either, they are two completely different situations.

1 could result in a bit of fun with a girl offering time and companionship, where as the other could possibly result in doing time.

Would claiming the girl falsely posed as an escort (independent) do anything to help your defence?

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Where does a punter stand if he goes to visit (1.) an independent escort and unknowingly ends up in (2.) a brothel with possibly trafficed girls?

Scenario 1 is completely different to scenario 2 as you can imagine, and there is no fine line to be considered either, they are two completely different situations.

1 could result in a bit of fun with a girl offering time and companionship, where as the other could possibly result in doing time.

Would claiming the girl falsely posed as an escort (independent) do anything to help your defence?

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who would be responsible ...........
the girl would put up the add or the person who let the add go up under false pretens

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nbt

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who would be responsible ...........
the girl would put up the add or the person who let the add go up under false pretens

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nbt

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• The girl would be in trouble
• The pimp would be in trouble
• The traffickers would be in trouble

Thats a given

• The website would i'd imagine would be in trouble for encouraging the trafficking, can see how they wouldn't

But where does it leave the punter .... in a world of shit i can only imagine. I honestly cant see how they couldn't be as normal rules dont apply. Its a completely different scenario to visiting an escort ...... so .....

• The punter would be in trouble

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Where does a punter stand if he goes to visit (1.) an independent escort and unknowingly ends up in (2.) a brothel with possibly trafficed girls?

Scenario 1 is completely different to scenario 2 as you can imagine, and there is no fine line to be considered either, they are two completely different situations.

1 could result in a bit of fun with a girl offering time and companionship, where as the other could possibly result in doing time.

Would claiming the girl falsely posed as an escort (independent) do anything to help your defence?

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My point of view is different.
Punter makes his own decission.If he see that lady is not an independent,acctualy he can see that not what he ecspect_what on the earth would keep him there?
If you are in restarant and ask for meal which you paying for and waiter will give you something else, will you sit quiet and pay for it?So my advice is -LEAVE!

If this place has some conections with human trafficking-he should leave imediatly and contact police .Thoose girls working there need help.
I am sure that each advertising company(webite, magazine , etc) will contact police imediately.

Hello Guys,

Sorry to hear you are being fooled by fake independents advertisment in Cork. The truth will come out soon.

Take Care,

Till we meet.

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My point of view is different.
Punter makes his own decission.If he see that lady is not an independent,acctualy he can see that not what he ecspect_what on the earth would keep him there?
If you are in restarant and ask for meal which you paying for and waiter will give you something else, will you sit quiet and pay for it?So my advice is -LEAVE!

If this place has some conections with human trafficking-he should leave imediatly and contact police .Thoose girls working there need help.
I am sure that each advertising company(webite, magazine , etc) will contact police imediately.

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This has got to be one of the most irresponsible posts i have ever seen on this site :mad:

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This has got to be one of the most irresponsible posts i have ever seen on this site :mad:

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mailman
you got it spot on bud
again we dont take the money from them...................

sarah wake up and smell the the coffee and see where ure wages come from.

nbt