Irish Sex Trade

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Ruhama reports on Irish sex trade

An organisation which works with women involved in prostitution has expressed concern about the number of underage girls who are being lured into prostitution.

An organisation which works with women involved in prostitution has warned that Ireland is now 'firmly enmeshed in the global sex trade'.

Ruhama expressed concern about the number of underage girls who are being lured into prostitution, some as young as 15 years old.

The organisation, which is marking its 20th anniversary, launched its Biennial Report for 2007 and 2008 today.

Spokesperson Geraldine Rowley said the organisation has seen an increase in street-based prostitution among Irish women since the economic downturn and it is feared some women will enter into the trade due to poverty.

Of the 341 women cared for by Ruhama between 2007 and 2008, less than 50% were Irish nationals.

Most of the women trafficked into Ireland were originally from Eastern European countries and Nigeria.

They were trafficked into Dublin, Cork and Belfast and moved around the country.

'Covert sex trade'

Speaking at the report launch, Ruhama Director Kathleen Fahy said prostitution was very visible on the streets of Dublin in 1989 but 'this has gradually changed over the years and today we are dealing with a predominantly indoor and more covert sex trade.'

She says 'Ireland is now firmly enmeshed in the global sex trade bringing with it new problems and challenges not anticipated 20 years ago.'

Technology has played a big role in the expansion of the sex trade and enabling operators and users to keep a low profile - she says it has also impacted on their ability to access women as they too are less visible on our streets today.

Despite all the media attention given to prostitution, Ruhama says they generally find a lack of understanding by many people in regard to the women involved and the structure in which they operate.

Ms Fahy highlighted the fact that many women involved in prostitution are controlled by criminals.

'These criminals now operate in a hidden world and use modern technology to control and market the women. Of the 341 women we assisted in the past two years, 167 were street based, less than 50% - and this of course represents the new trend of invisibility for the women'.

Comments anyone?

This is a very sensitive issue, If it is true that there are mafias, Ireland and worldwide. And thanks to blackmail and extortion exploit women against their will to do what they do.

But for the solution to this problem is very important the cooperation of customers, if a person sees the minimum rarity in a place, its moral obligation to denounce, but this does not happen because the client obviously requires discretion, and know whether there is some way to report anonymously, yes in spain.

But it is important that everyone should contribute what we can.

Maybe I am naive, but I would assume that the majority of escorts who advertise as independent are doing it of their own free will and are not tied in with pimps or criminal elements.

Please refer to the below link:

https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...stitution.html

"If you suspect trafficking, exploitation or underage - LEAVE - and report the matter to the police.

If you would like to remain anonymous you can call Crimestoppers on 1 800 250 025 (Republic of Ireland) or 0800 5... (Northern Ireland). You can also email blueblindfold@garda.ie (Republic of Ireland) or fill out the secure online form on the Crimestoppers website (Northern Ireland)."

Hmm, how many of us here would even sleep with a 15 year old. We'd be asking the ESCORT for i.d, not the other way round. And sometimes these articles are full of crap too. YES, women are lured into the trade, by THEMSELVES, NOT pimps. It's called money and they don't need a pimp to encourage them to get into it.

Scare tactics, what's new. :rolleyes:

manybe this problem has to come from a different angle, no matter how you see it, this trade will never stop, better take it out of the hands of pimps and make legal, so health and the girls safety come first, a side line to this is what is scary, is the number of adds in london for bareback at 89 quid an hour

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Originally Posted by espensen

Hmm, how many of us here would even sleep with a 15 year old. We'd be asking the ESCORT for i.d, not the other way round. And sometimes these articles are full of crap too. YES, women are lured into the trade, by THEMSELVES, NOT pimps. It's called money and they don't need a pimp to encourage them to get into it.

Scare tactics, what's new. :rolleyes:

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I so wish that was true :(
Yes, the numbers may be inaccurate, but there are girls around who are controlled by someone.

I have recently seen a review where someone was saying he got a strange feeling seeing 3 doors locked behind him as he entered :eek: I heard lots of stories as well :( I wish them not to be true either but there is a good chance some are.

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Originally Posted by espensen

YES, women are lured into the trade, by THEMSELVES:

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The women may be lured into it by a request from punters for women under the age of 18.........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

If there was no market for it it would happen less........... sadly there is................:(

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Originally Posted by karin_27

Please refer to the below link:

https://www.escort-ireland.com/board...stitution.html

"If you suspect trafficking, exploitation or underage - LEAVE - and report the matter to the police.

If you would like to remain anonymous you can call Crimestoppers on 1 800 250 025 (Republic of Ireland) or 0800 5... (Northern Ireland). You can also email blueblindfold@garda.ie (Republic of Ireland) or fill out the secure online form on the Crimestoppers website (Northern Ireland)."

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This information should be free banner inall pay sex pages

Ruhama is an organisation run by mainly a group of nuns (look it up on the web) and they have an agenda to exaggerate the problem in Ireland.

Why because they are in receipt of Government funds for their work and if they say the problem is small etc the funding would be cut. Even nuns like to work in an "Important" organisation, meet important people and travel on junkets to international meetings about prostitution.

For Example they said today in the media that "Street prostitution is on the increase"
Firstly I work near baggot Street and to go home I have to go through the Abour Hill area both of these are our "red Light" districts in Dublin and I can safely say that there has been FUCK ALL increase in dirls on the game. In fact compared to 10 - 15 years ago there is comparatevely fuck all street girls.

Also I personally have not seen any under age girls plying their trade.

There is statstics, statstics and damm lies.

Anyway I would'nt trust any nuns anyway as they participated in the wholesale abuse including sexual of our children in former decades.

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Originally Posted by Smarty

Ruhama is an organisation run by mainly a group of nuns (look it up on the web) and they have an agenda to exaggerate the problem in Ireland.

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by exagerating the issue they are actually putting the real victims in danger.The problem i have with Ruhama is that its in their interest not to have the issue solved because then they would have nothing to do and actually have to get real jobs.Who knows they might even start escorting.

Westside.

has any ever been with a escort under the age of 18 as i never seen this advertised

unfortunatley i would imagine that they are girls in this country forced into been escorts, and the money they earn does not go to them but to the pimps who are pressurising them. I would imagine that the escorts run by agency's are pressurised but I stand to be corrected. On that basis I would not visit an agency as I feel that the girls are not getting all the money plus they are been pressurised to work crazy hours, once again I stnad to be corrected, but lets not pretend it is not out there.

The situation here as I know it is that up to 50% of the girls advertised here have been trafficed in to Ireland. However, this is at their own free will and they have no doubts why they are coming here. I do not believe that there are under 18s operating here, simply because the people behind the trade do not need the hassle that would come with it.
The police seem to patrol the fringes of the scene and will pounce on any any type of pimps, drugs, underage sex, violence etc. Other than that they seem happy to leave the girls and clients alone, whether the girls work for an "agency" or on their own. The girls who work for the agencies tend to be pissed off handing over 50% of their wedge but that seems to be the deal that they signed up to. I do not think that there is any really dangerous element involved with the agencies, I base this on the fact that a number of girls that I have met while working for agencies have been openly able to come back as independents with no more trouble than the odd fake bad review.

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Originally Posted by luther

The women may be lured into it by a request from punters for women under the age of 18.........:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

If there was no market for it it would happen less........... sadly there is................:(

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Hmm, ok, but the angle I was taking was their want of money, be it for college or whatever.

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Originally Posted by adogwithabone

The situation here as I know it is that up to 50% of the girls advertised here have been trafficed in to Ireland.

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How do you know this???

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Originally Posted by adogwithabone

have been trafficed in to Ireland. However, this is at their own free will and they have no doubts why they are coming here.

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Is this not a bit of a contradiction???

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Originally Posted by luther

How do you know this???



Is this not a bit of a contradiction???

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I know these things from talking to the girls but my experience is only of Dublin. Most of the girls who are here for the first or second time on 1/2 week stints tend to be imported by agencies. The longer term girls may have come via an agency to begin with but then sort out their own hotel/apartment and advertising in order to keep all the money.
If "traficking" means that girls are forced against their will, then I misuse the term. I thought that it meant to be transported for "illicit" purposes.

Your figure of 50% is an estimate or a guess on your part and not a known fact???

As for trafficing, there are many definitions but The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, defines human trafficking as the "recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation."

I'd take it as meaning something bad............

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Originally Posted by luther

Your figure of 50% is an estimate or a guess on your part and not a known fact???

As for trafficing, there are many definitions but The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, defines human trafficking as the "recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation."

I'd take it as meaning something bad............

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Well if ure talking recruitement id deff agree with the 50% figure but would say prob even higher

sometimes, the word "trafficked2, should be replaced with "assisted". Some are assisted/ helped in, to make a quick few bob before moving on. Simple as that. As for "random number, over 1000" women being trafficked in, how do they know, do they do a bloody questionaire at the airports.

Security: Are you being trafficked into ireland?

Escort: Oh absolutely, my first time here, I love your country!

Security: Eh, thanks?

I mean seriously. The statistics are probably just made up, or exagerrated at least to make things worse than they are. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ber

Well if ure talking recruitement id deff agree with the 50% figure but would say prob even higher

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And "recruitment by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation."

While it is sad that there are gullible girls out there, I believe many girls choose this profession & enjoy what they do. It would be really great if something could be done about the criminals who harass & extort the independent girls who are trying to run professional operations. Surely something could be done about this problem, but what? Not all girls want to be touring all the time, but would love to have an established place with a regular clientele. Unfortunately, when you try, it's the pimps who close you down. not the garda ... :confused:

can someone answer me this question - if the girl is not from the European union for example south american how can she gain access into the country, is it on a holiday visa, a studnt visa or are they smuggled into the country. I woul dhave thought that south americans for example would need a visa of some sort,

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Originally Posted by RodeoMan

can someone answer me this question - if the girl is not from the European union for example south american how can she gain access into the country, is it on a holiday visa, a studnt visa or are they smuggled into the country. I woul dhave thought that south americans for example would need a visa of some sort,

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A lot of the South Americans are here to study English. With escorting they can not only put themselves through college but send a nice bundle back home. There are legitimate operations that organise college courses, visas etc..

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Originally Posted by bonny1

While it is sad that there are gullible girls out there, I believe many girls choose this profession & enjoy what they do. It would be really great if something could be done about the criminals who harass & extort the independent girls who are trying to run professional operations. Surely something could be done about this problem, but what? Not all girls want to be touring all the time, but would love to have an established place with a regular clientele. Unfortunately, when you try, it's the pimps who close you down. not the garda ... :confused:

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I know quite well 4 apartments of genuinely independent escorts in Dublin. While I hear the odd story about robberies and dangerous clients there has been no concerted effort by anyone to close them down. I would have heard. The worst that I have heard happen is the odd fake malicious review.

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Originally Posted by luther

Your figure of 50% is an estimate or a guess on your part and not a known fact???

As for trafficing, there are many definitions but The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, defines human trafficking as the "recruitment, transportation, transfer, harbouring or receipt of persons, by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation."

I'd take it as meaning something bad............

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I said "as I know it.... Up to 50%" If you are going to quote me at least get it right. In any event the figure comes from the escorts that I know. They keep in touch with each other a lot and are aware which apartments are run by "agencies". It is all to do with accomodation and the ability to speak English. The agencies arrange flights, an apartment and often a "recetionist" to answer the phone. How many of the girls out there with very limited English, do you think decided to leave Prague or Rio De Janeiro to rent out an apartment in Ireland for a week or two and become an escort. Apartments, in Dublin at least, tend to be rented for a year, maybe 6 months. You will notice that the girls tend to be here for a week or two. Does this not give you some kind of a clue? I have been to some apartments a number of times and always with a different crew of girls. How many times have you noticed that the girl on the phone spoke better English than the girl you met?
I do believe that most of these girls are not escorts at home but are induced to come here with the promise of earning big money and with all their flights and accomodation paid for.

Ruhama is an organisation run by man hating nuns who are running their own agenda in exaggerating the problem.

They are calling for laws to punish the punters with fines or jail time such as is the case in Sweden.
Make no mistake about it this will only succeed in driving the problem more underground.

Often the Swedish model is touted as the perfect solution but it has been proved to be far from perfect in practice, and has only served to put women in a more vulnerable position. As they are afraid to report an act of violence fearing that they will be prosecuted for being a prostitute.

Please see re Swedish law problems
Swedish Prostitution Law: Critiques

I looked at the Mirror yesterday that had a shock headline of 15 year olds on the game from Ruhama report. If you were to believe the Mirror based on this report from this hive of nuns with their hidden agendas, you would think that there are hundreds of women chained up in back rooms of Ireland just for the purpose of sexually gratifying us perverted punters. Also that scores of schoolgirls are being pushed out on the street by evil pimps. The Mirror then does a commentary of the evils of prostitution etc at the same time they devote a whole page to advertising Sex lines.

Sex Trafficking claims have often been exaggerated in Ireland by certain interest groups for their ends, while I don’t condone sex trafficking we already have a law that deals with using a victim of sex trafficking for sex and has adequate punishment.
The Criminal Law (Trafficking in Persons and Sexual Offences) Bill 2006.
I believe we may have a problem but a small problem, this is based on my own punting experience and also on an official Garda report.

Several years ago in 2006 we had the conclusion of an 18 month operation quest.
Detective Superintendent John McKeown, who headed Operation Quest at Store St Station, says that there was no evidence that any of the girls are being forced into prostitution, none is underage and most pocket 50 per cent of their earnings.

He says the oldest profession in the world is experiencing similar benefits of our booming economy as other industries and Dublin is now a highly sought after place to work. And he believes that politicians should considering legalising prostitution (SMARTY agrees as in line with the likes of Belgium etc)in a bid to monitor it properly and offer more protection to girls.

¨We have carried out an in-depth investigation into organised prostitution over the past 18 months and we have found no evidence of exploitation or trafficking. There are no gangs involved and there is little violence.

"The youngest girls appear to be 19 and most are in their 20s and early 30s. We have found no evidence of underage girls working - the pimps don't want to bring that kind of attention on themselves. The girls are working because they want to make money and Dublin is somewhere that they can earn a lot of money," Detective Superintendent McKeown said.

"I was very surprised when we started this investigation to find that a lot of the old myths regarding prostitution (which are constantly touted Ruhama - Smarty) by have gone out the window. It is a service that is in demand and there is a lot of money about nowadays. To put it simply, there is room for everyone and plenty of work. The pimps know one another and work side by side. They don't want trouble and there are rarely disputes."

Rather than the Ruhama suggested lock up every evil punter, I would suggest having a system like Belgium which allows prostitution in a tolerant zone and they even get the girls to pay taxes, now thats a novel way to get our economy up and running.

Regards,

Smarty

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Originally Posted by RodeoMan

can someone answer me this question - if the girl is not from the European union for example south american how can she gain access into the country, is it on a holiday visa, a studnt visa or are they smuggled into the country. I woul dhave thought that south americans for example would need a visa of some sort,

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I think there are ideas in the pipeline to regulate English language schools as at the moment
anybody can set up a school,they are being set up with the sole purpose of getting visas for
girls to work here.

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Originally Posted by luther

And "recruitment by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation."

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Well i was using the word recruited loosley because as i see it at least 50% or more of the girls would be agency,i am presuming (and hoping) that the majority of theese would have made contact
with the agencies through the net or other girls that worked here so i consider them as being here
volountarily(while im sure working conditions ,rewards etc may be sugar coated to encourage them to come) what percentage are coerced is a different matter altogether,and i presume different methods of coersion are used from promises of lots of money to violence.This is the group i would be worried about.The amount of girls here with the agencies is hard to know as one add could
be covering several different girls and i do know their treatmernt and conditions with theese agencies vary greatly.The thing is that many of theese girls have to start with agencies as they
would have neither the finances or the knowledge of the buisness to go it alone not to mention
the languae barrier. So all in all id say 50% would be a very conservative estimate.Any given
time i look through the profiles in Cork i can pick at least that percentage agency

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Originally Posted by adogwithabone

I said "as I know it.... Up to 50%" If you are going to quote me at least get it right. In any event the figure comes from the escorts that I know

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Hence the ??? at the end.........

But since you brought it up..........

Your figures are based on the escorts you know, not on all the escorts in the country, and unless you're spoken to, and asked every escort in the country then your figure of 50% is and estimate based on the information you're received from the escorts you know............

It could be much higher than 50%, it could be much lower than 50%................

Either way, your figures are an estimate based in a limited amount of information.............

Get it???

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Originally Posted by ber

Well i was using the word recruited loosley

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But I wouldn't think 50% of the girls are recruited in the manner I originally quoted.......

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Recruitment by means of the threat or use of force or other forms of coercion, of abduction, of fraud, of deception, of the abuse of power or of a position of vulnerability or of the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person, for the purpose of exploitation..............

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[QUOTE=luther;124513]But I wouldn't think 50% of the girls are recruited in the manner I originally quoted... no deff not would say girls from certain African Countries and also some South American
are highest risk of this was an Eastern European element but dont think its as strong at the moment
as it was

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