Nicolle

Originally Posted by eilogin

My two cents are:

Clothes or specifically a suit does not define a man. During the recent financial crisis we have seen cases of several highly paid men only look out themselves, take no responsibility for their actions etc.

It is more a persons character, treating people with respect, having a sense of responsibility, providing for family, being a loyal and caring companion in good time and bad, contributing to society...

interesting I thought that being "real" comes more from your soul then from what you do for others... I think even if a man cant provide well for his family he should'nt feel less then another man\ woman that provides better then him. but with the rest of the examples I totally agree with you hun
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True... thats why I am asking fo men think that providing for their family makes them a real men? Do we still have that kind of thinking although we are in this era where we are supposed to be equals and if so why do men still think that way?

Originally Posted by eilogin

In my view we are equals and should be treated as such. Both look after family; what is wrong with either wanting what the best for those they care about ? This is a good thing in my opinion. Being a caring, kind and responsible person is never a bad thing....

Ohhh hun I didn't meant it in a bad way. I was just saying that if you provide or not for your family should not make you feel less or more of a man.

I believe it all boils down to confidence. Do you walk into a job interview nervous? I walk in with questions for the employer because they need me more than I need them. Same goes with women at a bar. Don't get butt hurt when a girl turns you down. It happens, move on. Be the life of the party and provide an exceptional experience for the people around you. They will want to be your friend, talk to you, or take you home.

As for clothing I say you always dress for the job you want, not the job you have. With that being said a real man knows his budget and his limits. You can only afford a small pad and use public transport. Not a problem. Go to university, work hard, and build up. You will meet people along the way who see your dedication and will appreciate it. Don't put yourself into credit debt trying to show off a new car or wrist watch. It will only lead you into a darker hole that is harder to climb out of.

Originally Posted by jokerde

I believe it all boils down to confidence. Do you walk into a job interview nervous? I walk in with questions for the employer because they need me more than I need them. Same goes with women at a bar. Don't get butt hurt when a girl turns you down. It happens, move on. Be the life of the party and provide an exceptional experience for the people around you. They will want to be your friend, talk to you, or take you home.

As for clothing I say you always dress for the job you want, not the job you have. With that being said a real man knows his budget and his limits. You can only afford a small pad and use public transport. Not a problem. Go to university, work hard, and build up. You will meet people along the way who see your dedication and will appreciate it. Don't put yourself into credit debt trying to show off a new car or wrist watch. It will only lead you into a darker hole that is harder to climb out of.

I like the way you think

Originally Posted by jokerde

I believe it all boils down to confidence. Do you walk into a job interview nervous? I walk in with questions for the employer because they need me more than I need them. Same goes with women at a bar. Don't get butt hurt when a girl turns you down. It happens, move on. Be the life of the party and provide an exceptional experience for the people around you. They will want to be your friend, talk to you, or take you home.

As for clothing I say you always dress for the job you want, not the job you have. With that being said a real man knows his budget and his limits. You can only afford a small pad and use public transport. Not a problem. Go to university, work hard, and build up. You will meet people along the way who see your dedication and will appreciate it. Don't put yourself into credit debt trying to show off a new car or wrist watch. It will only lead you into a darker hole that is harder to climb out of.

To be a bloody entertainer ? Having the craic like ? NO.

Its a good question Nicolle.

If a man has a family, then to be a man, he has to work hard to provide for them .As a man, to have the love and respect of your family and the love and respect of your partner and children is unbeatable. Without it, you have nothing.

Yes it is good that you are an independent woman but just be careful that doesn't make you lazy and not give a fuck.

Originally Posted by bootboy

Its a good question Nicolle.

If a man has a family, then to be a man, he has to work hard to provide for them .As a man, to have the love and respect of your family and the love and respect of your partner and children is unbeatable. Without it, you have nothing.

Yes it is good that you are an independent woman but just be careful that doesn't make you lazy and not give a fuck.

That is important for a women too. But we can feel unbeatable if we are single too actually I think that we feel more strong if we are single while having a family can cause worring about them right?

I doubt that being 'real' depends on gender. It is surely as easy to be a woman lacking in confidence as a man.
Some societies make more demands on men than on women, such as being 'successful', 'strong', etc, which can cause crises of confidence in some, and this may express itself as an impression that "women are born with more confidence than men".
Women do sometimes have their confidence/status boosted by their friends, while men tend to be more likely to deal with 'issues' like confidence on their own. This, they believe, makes them 'real men'. An unwillingness to emote can be negative but in a society where everything is shared now, it may actually be sometimes refreshing.

yeah but society often makes women feel inferior:
" ohhh shes's angry because she on her period"
"that's a man job you can't do it"
"ohh you're a single mother who works? Poor children"

I think women don't really get confidence from the society, well neither do men but women tend to be more run down by society then men