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wexfordboyo
22-08-12, 21:19
I just read this:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/more-women-seeking-ruhamas-aid-204919.html
I know they don't use accurate stats, but it says "Last year Ruhama assisted 200 women from 36 countries"
Anyone know what "assisted" means in this case?
Thanks Wexfordboyo. There was a snipet on the latest Ruhama report on RTE news yeaterday. It mentioned Ruhama's suggestions that mobile phones of sescorts be blocked and escort advertising sites be sensored/blocked by internet providers. The news segment played some clips from the previous primetime documentary (obviously focussing on the worst cases!).
I'll see if I can find the link.
For the record I believe (as do most here) that the coercion of women into prostitution/sex work is not acceptable and that measures do need to be taken to counter organised forced prostitution. There shoulds be organisations that are available to help women in these situations. Which I presume should be the role of Ruhama and similar organisations.
The problem of said organisations is that they refuse to accept that many (and most of us here believe that it is the majority of escorts) work out of their own free will, be it independantly or for agencies or third parties.
As a result they seem to have put theri energies into destoying the industry and not distiguishing between girls who work voluntarily and those who don't. It is a bit ironic that they claim that in their vast expreince nearly all sex workers are forced into the industry and want out. Clearly it's women who need help who get in contact with them, while the majority of other escorts have no need to. The reason for their bias is obvious but missed by the general public at large and the mdia. Although I suspect the media well know the truth but that wouldn't make a good story.
Anyway we plod on! For those who haven't sent in their submissions to the dept of justice, please do so before the 31st of August! Plenty of links / threads on this section of the forum to tell you how to do it!
https://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/threads/97476-Very-important-please-get-involved-with-consultation-submission-before-31st-August!!
Here's the rte news link - the Ruhama snipet starts at 15'30"
http://www.rte.ie/player/#!v=10044383
Jack in the Box
24-08-12, 17:15
Ruhama speaking in the Irish Examiner had very little facts and depended heavily on heresay. They'd be better off trying to find a solution instead of demonising consenting adults having sex. You can be doing a lot worse things out there than being a sex worker. Like for instance being a waste of space head of hindrence NGO's. The article doesn't seem to let negative stereotypes get in the way of the truth either.
Deeply worrying listening to this bunch of lunatics and fanatics.
Two people sharing an intimate moment or two and doing no harm to anyone.
This is to be made illegal?
I'll go mad if they succeed. It will make me very unhappy indeed.
It mentioned Ruhama's suggestions that mobile phones of sescorts be blocked and escort advertising sites be sensored/blocked by internet providers.
To be followed by other RCC front-groups pushing for other sexuality-related websites to be censored as well - all for the common good, of course.
Don't forget that these are the cunts behind the Magdalene Laundries.
To be followed by other RCC front-groups pushing for other sexuality-related websites to be censored as well - all for the common good, of course.
Don't forget that these are the cunts behind the Magdalene Laundries.
But haven't they just rebranded themselves so well Bob!!:angryfire:
20-30 years from now there will be people seeking some redress from some public committee due to the harm caused to them by the said zealot groups. But as usual the public is blind to their schemes during the time that counts!:mad:
rubberlover
27-08-12, 10:32
This will exasperate the issue instead of helping, remember probation in the US. The result, thousands of underground liquor joints, controlled the mafia. If they succeed then Ruhama will really see forced sex workers....................., and will be totally powerless. Why can't they accept some girls enjoy and do this work freely? It really is down to brain washing, and as has been said some of the biggest abusers where in the church, either sexual or forced labour. And remember the eminent Dr in the Lourdes Hospital in Drogheda, run by nuns, and the butchery that took place there, was allowed by the same calibre of people now calling to demonise sex workers.
Jack in the Box
27-08-12, 17:05
Ruhama speaking in the Irish Examiner had very little facts and depended heavily on heresay. They'd be better off trying to find a solution instead of demonising consenting adults having sex. You can be doing a lot worse things out there than being a sex worker. Like for instance being a waste of space head of hindrence NGO's. The article doesn't seem to let negative stereotypes get in the way of the truth either.
Just a correction of a mistake to advoid confusion: The article doesn't seem to let negative stereotypes or the truth get in the way of a good story.
At the end of the day what is the problem with escorting at the end of the day you pay for my time what ever happens in that time is between to consenting adults which is not against the law. If they want to get picky well every one get some thing through sex if you look at it logically you want a new kicthen you go and give hubby a good night in the bed room or you pull a girl in a night club buy her drinks all night and wham bang thank you mama. Look at half these politians bet the hire escorts!! If they really want to stop traffiknig as they keep saying invest the money into a special unit and stamp out traficking and help these girls. But leave us indies alone.
mrloverman
28-08-12, 17:20
At the end of the day what is the problem with escorting at the end of the day you pay for my time what ever happens in that time is between to consenting adults which is not against the law. If they want to get picky well every one get some thing through sex if you look at it logically you want a new kicthen you go and give hubby a good night in the bed room or you pull a girl in a night club buy her drinks all night and wham bang thank you mama. Look at half these politians bet the hire escorts!! If they really want to stop traffiknig as they keep saying invest the money into a special unit and stamp out traficking and help these girls. But leave us indies alone.
with all the money they have it would make you wonder how many politians do see escorts?
I'm just putting the finishing touches on a letter to The Irish Times which ought to keep the nasty messages
coming in. ;)
Anti's, keep it clean please, you of all people ought to know how to do that and I will waste no time in reporting you.
Half Man and Half Dildo
28-08-12, 23:11
I'm just putting the finishing touches on a letter to The Irish Times which ought to keep the nasty messages
coming in. ;)
Anti's, keep it clean please, you of all people ought to know how to do that and I will waste no time in reporting you.
Fair play to you, Laura Lee.
I'm not sure if you've seen this http://sexwork.ie/2012/08/28/a-decade-of-abandonment-of-sex-workers-by-the-irish-government/ (http://sexwork.ie/2012/08/28/a-decade-of-abandonment-of-sex-workers-by-the-irish-government/), but there is a very important point made therein, namely that all research into prostitution in Ireland since 2000 (with the exception of two reports) has been conducted and paid for by either Ruhama or the Immigrant Council Of Ireland.
.....since 2000 all the research has come from Ruhama or the Immigrant Council of Ireland, with the exception of two reports, one on male prostitution and the other on street-based drug-using sex workers.
Most sex workers in Ireland work indoors. This has been the case for the last 10 years. Sex workers are predominantly female, but there are also significant numbers of trans and male sex workers. This is not one subset that we are lacking research on, this is the main group in sex work that we have no independent research on here.
There has been no Government or independent research into indoor female sex work in the last decade. Research on female indoor sex work has been left exclusively to Ruhama and the Immigrant Council of Ireland. Government funding has paid for much of the research, certainly the majority of Ruhama’s work has been funded by the Government, but the Government has never conducted any research into indoor female prostitution itself, nor has there been any other independent research by academic or other organisations.
Ruhama is a joint initiative of the Good Shepherd Sisters and Our Lady of Charity Sisters. The Immigrant Council of Ireland was established by Sr Stanislaus Kennedy of the Religious Sisters of Charity and their research into prostitution has been funded by the Religious Sisters of Charity.
Sex work research has been left to the Catholic Church, though paid for by the Government by in large. The very same religious orders that ran the ‘Magdalene Laundries‘ for ‘fallen women’ are the only source of research into female indoor sex work in the last decade.....
Best of luck with your letter.
the traveller
29-08-12, 06:32
.....since 2000 all the research has come from Ruhama or the Immigrant Council of Ireland,
A case of the severely blinkered leading the blind.
Laura, any chance of your letter to the Times being reprinted here?
Would love to have a read.
max california
29-08-12, 08:08
A case of the severely blinkered leading the blind.
Laura, any chance of your letter to the Times being reprinted here?
Would love to have a read.
It's printed on Laura's blog here, very well written letter
yes Laura's blog was brilliant and straight to the point so i can imagine the letter will be straight to the point and will have inpact
Jack in the Box
29-08-12, 18:14
I'm just putting the finishing touches on a letter to The Irish Times which ought to keep the nasty messages
coming in. ;)
Anti's, keep it clean please, you of all people ought to know how to do that and I will waste no time in reporting you.
Read your letter Laura Lee. That is an excellent letter! Fair play to you. It exposes the propaganda and twisting of TOTRL big time. We need more people like you.
the traveller
29-08-12, 18:38
Thanks Laura, read your letter, great stuff. A word from you is worth a thousand of mine!!
LaBelleThatcher
22-10-12, 18:49
For the record I believe (as do most here) that the coercion of women into prostitution/sex work is not acceptable and that measures do need to be taken to counter organised forced prostitution. There shoulds be organisations that are available to help women in these situations. Which I presume should be the role of Ruhama and similar organisations.
Ah no Morpheus...the last thing anybody vulnerable needs is their toxic, headbending, nonsense. They could damage a person for life...
No, in tandem with everything else there needs to be a real, rational provision for people who want to get out of sex work, and in 23 years Ruhama have never provided anything that comes close...they just get in the way of anyone else offering real help and support.
Half Man and Half Dildo
22-10-12, 19:17
An organisation linked with the magdalene laundries through their founders, trustees and members of their board of directors dares to try and give a lecture on human rights and dares try to tell all sex workers that selling sex is never an informed choice.
Not only that but those same nuns have put their assets beyond the reach of the state and have refused to engage in talks with the Government regarding compensation for their victims.
However, having said that, I believe that it is very often a wasted opportunity in informing the public to only concentrate on Ruhama's history when posting comments online, etc. Far better in my opinion to devote a short paragraph or two to reports, etc that refute Ruhama's claims and provide a few links for good measure. Then, when you're happy with this, remind your readers about the laundries, too.
Half Man and Half Dildo
23-10-12, 19:58
Their links with the magdalene laundries should them give no platform to be discussing anything related to sex workers in the first place. Thats the point.
It would be better to set up an anti-trafficking organisation and exit program that did not have such a strong connection to the magdalene laundries or such a strong roman catholicism bias. Ruhamas headquarters are even on the some of the same grounds that a mass grave was found with buried victims from the laundries. The same grounds where one of the biggest magdalene laundries was run.
Brock, I agree with what you are saying on both points above, but the problem is that it's not just Ruhama who are seeking to end all sex work, there are feminists and others sharing the same mindset (and these people have no such sordid history) so the community here needs to be better prepared to fight its corner and should not rely soley on the Magdalene laundries angle debating the topic online.
LaBelleThatcher
23-10-12, 21:15
There is one, very simple reason why Ruhama should never have a platform to discuss sex workers and that is that they consistently misrepresent the nature, wishes and best interests of sex workers.