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in Paris.
I always believe that sex workers need to organise fully to protest these proposals and influence other people as thy have done in other countries
Unfortunately, and to be honest I am disappointed by it, this hasnt happened here.
If sex workers want their voice heard they have to speak and be noticed.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/07/uk-france-prostitution-idUKBRE8660GP20120707
in Paris.
I always believe that sex workers need to organise fully to protest these proposals and influence other people as thy have done in other countries
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/07/uk-france-prostitution-idUKBRE8660GP20120707
They can certainly influence me any day - without even seeking to! :)
"Penalised clients = murdered prostitutes"
Hmm...as slogans go, I don't feel that reflects great on their particular clients, but obviously we know where they're coming from in terms of driving things underground.
in Paris.
I always believe that sex workers need to organise fully to protest these proposals and influence other people as thy have done in other countries
Unfortunately, and to be honest I am disappointed by it, this hasnt happened here.
If sex workers want their voice heard they have to speak and be noticed.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/07/uk-france-prostitution-idUKBRE8660GP20120707
I know what you are saying Expresso. But it's a tough one. If escorts protest publically they risk exposure and loss of anonymity. The fact that the most succesful legal cases taken on the matter (case in point in Ontario Canada) are taken by named escorts is an example that it is a sacrifice taken on the part of the named escorts for the benefit of the many.
There is no doubt of course that any change to the prostitution legislation that increases any aspect of criminalization in the escorting industry - that escorts will the biggest losers.
So in such an undertaking, the escorts involved risk a lot to themselves for the benefit of other escorts who may not be as informed or do not want to get involved.
As a a client, I am not one to critisize. I doubt if any client (myself included) will be willing to put ourselves out there publically to debate the issue. Furthermore the response from fellow poster clients to this section of the forum has been underwhelming.
I fully agree however, about a coordinated response from a group of escorts being the most effective tool in this war. The Turn of the blue light campaign was very impressive while it lasted. Understandably it ran out of steam given the fact that it was run voluntarily. By contrast groups such as Ruhama have huge fundng and are able to pay people to spend all their time on media campaigns and lobbying.
However, I wonder if there is a group of escorts working behind the scenes and not showing their cards on the forum given that this is a public forum which the anti escorting groups follow closely.
I live in hope. In the mean time I plan to post something in general thread in the coming days to wake up our fellow punters and get them to put pen to paper before the submission deadline.
in Paris.
I always believe that sex workers need to organise fully to protest these proposals and influence other people as thy have done in other countries
Unfortunately, and to be honest I am disappointed by it, this hasnt happened here.
If sex workers want their voice heard they have to speak and be noticed.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/07/uk-france-prostitution-idUKBRE8660GP20120707
P.S. Expresso this could be another article to be used in your submission. You can be sure that the anti-escorting lobby will make reference to how France is becoming more enlightened!!!:mad:
As I like to highlight now and then - Dublin isn't Paris...and Ireland ain't no France. In such a small country where everyone knows everyone and considering its conservative history, it's simply not possible for free expressions to happen as they do in France.
I mean look at me, I cannot even be let to express myself here as freely as Id like to:o
In relation to the conservative thing
Australia is also a Conservative country but the sex workers there stood up and got their voices heard
Same in NZ
Basically were sex workers stand up and let their voices be heard they can influence events and issues that effect them
I mean look at me, I cannot even be let to express myself here as freely as Id like to:o
I thought that was just a health and safety thing to avoid you triggering mass male suicides throughout the length and breadth of the country given the rate is high enough as it is :confused:
LaBelleThatcher
08-07-12, 00:47
As I like to highlight now and then - Dublin isn't Paris...and Ireland ain't no France. In such a small country where everyone knows everyone and considering its conservative history, it's simply not possible for free expressions to happen as they do in France.
I mean look at me, I cannot even be let to express myself here as freely as Id like to:o
It is a very different business in Paris too...totally open, nobody thinks anything much of it.
Still I do not think the fact that Ruhama spend all their time cozying up to the gutter press helps anybody feel safe enough to speak out.
It is a very different business in Paris too...totally open, nobody thinks anything much of it.
Still I do not think the fact that Ruhama spend all their time cozying up to the gutter press helps anybody feel safe enough to speak out.
And it's not just the press they cozy up to Labelle, but also the very halls of power - with countless politician!
LaBelleThatcher
08-07-12, 01:34
And it's not just the press they cozy up to Labelle, but also the very halls of power - with countless politician!
Oh but that is a game two can play ;)
I DRAW THE LINE at the gutter press though.
In relation to the conservative thing
Australia is also a Conservative country but the sex workers there stood up and got their voices heard
Same in NZ
Basically were sex workers stand up and let their voices be heard they can influence events and issues that effect them
Ok, how to put this? You seem to be unaware of the specifics of the irish nation. And specific it is indeed. Some things just work very differently here and you cannot compare it to NZ, Australia, Iceland, Alaska, England, Malaysia, Afganistan or any other country for that matter. Ireland is very special and some things just aren't possible here. On the other hand, you can see amazing things that couldn't happen anywhere else in the world.
the traveller
08-07-12, 09:20
For Banjaxed!!
Don't know if you've seen this, it popped up while you were on holiday
on the general chat threads.
Just about sums up everything said here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Yw0fspaqlyo
Should be sent to every member of the justice committee
Will never see Lego people in the same light.
For Banjaxed!!
Don't know if you've seen this, it popped up while you were on holiday
on the general chat threads.
Just about sums up everything said here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Yw0fspaqlyo
Should be sent to every member of the justice committee
Will never see Lego people in the same light.
Excellent clip Traveller!!! I must have missed it when it was posted originally, as it's the first time I'm seeing it.
She (the escort in the video) identified the anti-escorting groups as radical feminists and religious conservatives.
It's important in any debate to expose the moralistic bias of those pretending to look out for women's rights.
The right of a woman to earn a livign and to choose how to do so, is inherrent in feminism.
Radical feminism however, decides what's best for other women and takes away this right.
the traveller
08-07-12, 09:49
There's more of the same. The original post was here.
https://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/threads/94072-Youtube-Police-Prostitution-And-Politics-In-America
Know there american but they do sum everything up nicely.
LaBelleThatcher
08-07-12, 16:01
That video was absolutely brilliant, I just tweeted it to Ruhama and TORL, not that there is even a faint off chance of reasoning with them, because they want to CONTROL all those naughty, rebellious victims...
the traveller
08-07-12, 21:17
That video was absolutely brilliant, I just tweeted it to Ruhama and TORL, not that there is even a faint off chance of reasoning with them, because they want to CONTROL all those naughty, rebellious victims...
Sad thing is when these were originally posted by the Half man they got no thanks and only one response ( from me ) despite the views ratio of 40-1 . Does nobody who reads in general chat care what happens ? or are they ostriches who hope all the threats will go away if they ignore them. Or do they think "I'll let someone else do the fighting for me and live my quiet life" .Thank god some ladies here have more balls than the men!!
Sad thing is when these were originally posted by the Half man they got no thanks and only one response ( from me ) despite the views ratio of 40-1 . Does nobody who reads in general chat care what happens ? or are they ostriches who hope all the threats will go away if they ignore them. Or do they think "I'll let someone else do the fighting for me and live my quiet life" .Thank god some ladies here have more balls than the men!!
I was pondering this question earlier myself. Even anonymously and through the internet there's a lot of things that both escorts and clients could be doing in terms of expounding their views, and importantly, their experience and reality to the general public and the government in advance of the current process. For instance, Maggie McNeill's blog of which the only good example in Ireland is the Stories from behind the Red Light blog.
I think most people are making plans to operate "underground", which is still occuring in Sweden, but the numbers of detected clients are always rising, to over 1,000 recorded in 2011 alone, a 563% increase from the 2009 statistics. I've no doubt many will continue, but there will be many also who will not risk it due to their employment, family status, etc. but who will be seriously "put out" by any new draconian law.
It is the escorts who have the most to lose. One effect will be increasing competition, as escorts aren't criminalised. That means a client will attract the same criminal sanction whether he spends €200+ p/h on seeing an independent escort or €100 p/h on seeing a not-so-independent escort. If the client gets caught with the not-so-independent escort, he still has €100 to cover the fine which he wouldn't have if he'd gone with an independent at her price.
It'll just be sad day when each person's particular lady doesn't see the point in touring this country any longer because of decreasing prices and a poor selection of clients to choose from.
I think it's important to protest
is the only way to assert a right.
Sexy Sandy 69
12-07-12, 11:22
You cannot compare Paris to Ireland, the population is much greater, the culture is totally different & the church does not have such a strong hold over the community. This type of protest would be ok in London, another capital city with the similar demographics. We would have our faces plastered all over the media in this country, making it impossible to work from hotels or apartments without gettting recognised, it's already hard enough for us to work without being recognised. The article says 'hundreds of protestors INCLUDING sex workers were marching, therefore reading between the lines, that means that there was others in the protest march who were not sex workers, such as clients. So, to play devils advocate would you guys be prepared to join a protest march & have your photo in the papers? I doubt you would be.
Busty Sandy x
skywalker85
12-07-12, 11:30
So, to play devils advocate would you guys be prepared to join a protest march & have your photo in the papers? I doubt you would be.
Busty Sandy x
Yes I would :D To have my photo took with all the Beautiful escorts ;) But as you say I don't think any escorts want to get media attention or could damage their business in location of work, but that said what if it where to get legalized, then that wouldn't be a problem surely....
Sexy Sandy 69
12-07-12, 11:37
Yes I would :D To have my photo took with all the Beautiful escorts ;) But as you say I don't think any escorts want to get media attention or could damage their business in location of work, but that said what if it where to get legalized, then that wouldn't be a problem surely....
To legalise the sex industry is the way to go, if your government insisted on each escort to have a work permit to work in the sex industry, so that their details were registered & they could legally work in this country, this would not only raise much needed revenue for this country but it would also make the job of the Gardai to police escorts easier. All they would have to do was check the details of the escorts advertising on a database, those who dont have a permit would be kicked out the country which in turn would save the country yet more revenue, instead of shelling out thousands of euros to organise mass raids. This would also be a more proactive way to tackle the issue of trafficking & pimps. But hey ho, I'm no policitian, policitians seem adverse to seeing the more sensible option to most problems.
Busty Sandy x
...but that said what if it where to get legalized, then that wouldn't be a problem surely....
Legalisation or rather decriminalisation (as I think that's what most Irish escorts would like to happen) would not end Ireland's discrimination towards sex workers, the papers would still carry photos of their faces etc, so I think public protest would still be an issue.
Masks or some disguise, the only way escorts and friends could protest in public in Ireland I think. Of course there is nothing stopping escorts showing their faces in public, indeed some may be happy to, but most would have privacy concerns I think.
And Sexy Sandy 69 just bucked the trend of my assertion that most escorts want decriminalisation rather than legalisation! But hopefully escorts will take part in the public consultation and get their views across as that's who the government should be listening to here!
skywalker85
12-07-12, 12:03
Yes the only way is for the wider outside community of EI is to hear voices of the Independent escorts,
The Media and Ruhama try to brainwash the public by always showing the same pictures of street walkers and run down messy rooms. Always trying to tell the wider Irish communities that these working girls are trafficked or pimped.
As has been said before the only way forward and safer and better for everyone involved in the sex industry is to decriminalize it, not criminalize it.
That would just make things worse than they have been in the past, It will never stop it.
If they decide to criminalize it, Then how would Client or Indie escorts be able to report anything?
Client visits girl, Looks under age....Can't report it.
Client Visits girl....Looks Frightened or Marks on her body...can't report it.
Simple Fact is Prostitution will never go away, Hasn't stopped Clients visiting working girls in Sweden and Won't stop Here either!!