View Full Version : Scotland considers outlawing paying for sex
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-18498858
LaBelleThatcher
19-06-12, 09:22
Keeping an eye on it here, but I think it is one of those things they dredge up annually. The Scots Police commissioner opposes it on all the common sense grounds (basically if you criminalise the sex industry, you will not make it go away, but the Police will not be able to find it handy at all any more).
Turn Off the Red Light were doing their usual, disgusting gloat last night:
"They are going to DESTROY the demand for sex in Scotland and FORCE all the purrostituted women to engage with rescue orgs"
But the only argument anyone can come up with in support of it is:
"The women have no alternative to selling sex so we must make it *all better* by destroying the demand"
I hope I am not the only person who still realises how certifiably insane that contention is in it's own right? If people only have one option, you will *NOT* improve anything by taking that option away, in fact, I would have thought the only sane and compassionate thing to do would be to help them protect and expand that last option for all you are worth? Because if you take away a person's last option you are literally destroying them, not that the "rescue" orgs would ever give a flying f*ck about trivia like that, of course.
http://www.thejournal.ie/prostitution-ireland-scotland-sex-trade-immigrant-council-491510-Jun2012/
Sexy Sandy 69
19-06-12, 11:07
Why oh why do such polictical groups class us as 'victims?' I AM NOT a victim, I willingly work as an escort through decisions made of my own free will, nobody forced me into this profession, nobody makes me work in this industry, nobody trafficked me & I dont have a drug/alcohol dependency. I am a mature, educated woman who is of sane mind & capable of working in the sex industry or not if I want to stop. When I decide to stop, the last people I will be seeking help from are TORL or any other goody two shoes rescue organisation, I dont need nor do I want your help to leave this profession.
Busty Sandy x
saoirsemac
19-06-12, 11:55
coz sweden a success,
the police and garda dnt want this, how does crimalise some poor lad looking for a shag with a consenting woman who charges
catch the traffickers? good god, the problem is not selling sex etc
its the fact we have sex out of choice and claim to like it
coz as u know women dnt like sex we only do it to keep men folk happy:rolleyes:
coz sweden a success,
the police and garda dnt want this, how does crimalise some poor lad looking for a shag with a consenting woman who charges
catch the traffickers? good god, the problem is not selling sex etc
its the fact we have sex out of choice and claim to like it
coz as u know women dnt like sex we only do it to keep men folk happy:rolleyes:
Youll be telling us ye actually have orgasims next
LaBelleThatcher
19-06-12, 14:10
Why oh why do such polictical groups class us as 'victims?' I AM NOT a victim, I willingly work as an escort through decisions made of my own free will, nobody forced me into this profession, nobody makes me work in this industry, nobody trafficked me & I dont have a drug/alcohol dependency. I am a mature, educated woman who is of sane mind & capable of working in the sex industry or not if I want to stop. When I decide to stop, the last people I will be seeking help from are TORL or any other goody two shoes rescue organisation, I dont need nor do I want your help to leave this profession.
Busty Sandy x
i dont feel like a vitcum at work, i do my work at my own free will as i enjoy it
but i do feel victimised by all these religious nuts and susposit good samiritains and media
pity there wasnt anything to help us from these people, somewere were we can complain and report them, something to give us rights to our privicy from these nuts
Even as it stands, their argument does not work. If you take away what you believe to be somebody's only choice you are deliberately trying to destroy them, no, "ifs" and no "buts". Somewhere along the way they lost the run of their senses of consequence as well as their consciences to even, for one minute, imagine otherwise. This is what has me foaming at the mouth, they keep spelling it out in small simple words "It is their only option so we must have laws to take it away." Duh????????? What they state they intend to achieve is brutal abuse.
Y'know what? Even down on Benburb St, you might think they are victims, but look a little closer...whatever their problems, however bad shape they are in, those women picked themselves up and got out there to use sex work to try and take control of the situation, pull themselves up on their own two feet and fight back. They made that choice knowing what organisations like Ruhama have to offer and rejecting it, so by what right does anyone coerce them into abandoning their free choices and placing their lives and families at the mercy of the voluntary and community sector?
The truth, not just about Ruhama, but about the whole voluntary and community sector, is a scandal that beggars belief. If you knew the right people all you had to do was produce a proposal to get a grant. Nobody would check what you actually spent the money on afterwards, nobody would even check if your target group wanted or needed what you were providing, or even wanted anything to do with you at all! It wouldn't have been so bad if these people just took the money and ran, but they wanted power too, so, as often as not, they would use some of the funding they were given on schemes that perpetuated an illusion that they were "needed", while actually doing more harm than good. The good news is that, in the past couple of years, people finally did start checking, and now they are slowly falling like dominos. I would genuinely rather die than have them interfering in my life. Everyone is entitled to an alternative to exploitative predators like Ruhama.
LaBelleThatcher
19-06-12, 14:36
Youll be telling us ye actually have orgasims next
Let me put this one to rest once and for all. Even the dogs in the street know that a woman only truly orgasms when she is shopping...
;)
LaBelleThatcher
19-06-12, 20:56
The Scottish Parliament have spoken:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-18498858
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugR-Iyp-e1k
:D :D :D
:clapping::clapping::clapping:
:grouphug:
:ireland2:
So now sex in Scotland will be free?
:dance:
LaBelleThatcher
20-06-12, 01:06
Er...not EXACTLY...
:p
So now sex in Scotland will be free?
:dance:
Err, naw. :D:D
We are however, absolutely jubilant. :)
I spent most of today in Holyrood with activists from the IUSW and Scot-PEP, followed by giving
The Highland News an interview, the main premise of which was that Rhoda Grant should stick
to championing the cause of Stornoway black pudding, which she would appear to know more
about. :rolleyes: Her constituency is The Highlands, so that will annoy her no end.
GOOD. ;)
It's not over yet by a long shot, she will be back in the autumn with a new consultation, so she
merrily informed a Daily Record journalist anyway.
The levels the anti's are sinking to over here are just breath taking, both in their arrogance and
blatant lies. :mad:
P.S : She tried to fast track it through like her predecessor, the one and only Trish Godman, but the Justice Committee
voted unanimously against any such attempt. :cool:
Half Man and Half Dildo
20-06-12, 21:39
P.S : She tried to fast track it through like her predecessor, the one and only Trish Godman, but the Justice Committee
voted unanimously against any such attempt. :cool:
They are no better than Ruhama who have been trying to fast track swedish-style laws here in the Republic Of Ireland without any regard to the fundamental differences between the Irish constitution and the Swedish one.
LaBelleThatcher
20-06-12, 22:49
Her constituency is The Highlands
Ah...THAT explains everything...the "Wee Free" strikes again...(just for the benefit of anyone unfamiliar with the ways of the highland kirk, they would be just as eager to fast track criminalisation of dancing and baking bread on sunday)
They are no better than Ruhama who have been trying to fast track swedish-style laws here in the Republic Of Ireland without any regard to the fundamental differences between the Irish constitution and the Swedish one.
Yeah, I noticed that, and nowhere more than in the recent attempt at a whole new:
"Why can't we just close the silly little legal loophole and be done with it" approach.
It seems to me that Alex Salmond (and his party) are intent on reversing and changing any bit of legislation from the British central government!!! Almost as a point in principle? Me thinks he fancies himself as braveheart?
Ironic given that the Scotish sex workers group came with with very good reasons why criminalizing clients would be very bad for escorts. (I don't have the link to their original document which came out a few years ago, but it had at least 30 reasons, if memory serves me right). But why listen to sex workers about what's best for them???:angryfire: It seems like we share a lot with Scotland!:banghead:
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4391072/Force-girls-to-take-risks-and-more-will-die.html
There was a consultation on the possible criminalisation of purchase of sex in Scotland recently, by Trish Godman MSP. Can't find good links at the moment, but we should look into this and the submissions people made to it.
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4391072/Force-girls-to-take-risks-and-more-will-die.html
Good article Patricia. Thanks. It's especially powerfull as the mother of a murdered escort says she is thankful the law to criminalize escort clients in Scotland hasn't been passed, as she clearly feels it would make things more dangerous for escorts.
It's what most of us know and believe here, but it's all the more powerful coming from the mother of one of the murdered girls.
But will the anti-escorting lobbyists listen??? There's sweet f*ck all chance of that!!:mad: It's amazing how obstinate self righteous people can be!!
Empowering escorts to work on their own and not fear the law (which is what criminalizing their clients will further do), will certainly be an effective measure to reduce trafficking, coercion and pimping.
Half Man and Half Dildo
24-06-12, 14:20
Is there any chance that a sticky thread be created in this section of the site so that links such as the one posted by Patricia could be collected in one place for future reference?
There is yet another article on theJournal.ie today - New laws on prostitution ‘must address trafficking problem’ (http://www.thejournal.ie/new-laws-on-prostitution-must-address-trafficking-problem-497877-Jun2012/)