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LaBelleThatcher
09-04-12, 21:45
Trying to "entice" @redlightstories...
IT PRICELESS!!!
Trying to "entice" @redlightstories...
IT PRICELESS!!!
PMSL
At least I see there's two new posts on the blog to devour.
I'm not registered on Twitter. What are they saying?
Lucy Chambers
09-04-12, 23:52
:)
Redlightstories are so nice. I would go for the jugular ;)
LaBelleThatcher
10-04-12, 11:00
:)
Redlightstories are so nice. I would go for the jugular ;)
I was going for jugular, but she kept responding to *me* on redlightstories tweets so there would be no link from Ruhama's twitter back to what I had said:
https://twitter.com/#!/LangEileen
I have to admit that I was shocked by how blatantly she was prepared to lie...trying to say I was giving "false information" by saying they want to destroy market and take sex workers incomes away...
Like the time she tried to tell be by email that "Justice for Magdalenes" had no problem with Ruhama EVEN THOUGH they stated that they had to Irish Times (maybe Ruhama only read Sunday World?).
Is that the approach they usually take to sex workers? Lying about their entire ethos and agenda to hook them in? That is EXACTLY the pattern taken by sick, religious cults
...and the sheer contempt they must hold us all in as human beings to believe we are stupid enough to fall for blatant lies like that, along with the common ignorance of referring to redlightstories as a "prostituted woman".
"If you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth"
Little known fact is that if you tell the truth often enough, nobody buys into the lie.
:mad::mad::mad:
I was going for jugular, but she kept responding to *me* on redlightstories tweets so there would be no link from Ruhama's twitter back to what I had said:
https://twitter.com/#!/LangEileen
I have to admit that I was shocked by how blatantly she was prepared to lie...trying to say I was giving "false information" by saying they want to destroy market and take sex workers incomes away...
Like the time she tried to tell be by email that "Justice for Magdalenes" had no problem with Ruhama EVEN THOUGH they stated that they had to Irish Times (maybe Ruhama only read Sunday World?).
Is that the approach they usually take to sex workers? Lying about their entire ethos and agenda to hook them in? That is EXACTLY the pattern taken by sick, religious cults
...and the sheer contempt they must hold us all in as human beings to believe we are stupid enough to fall for blatant lies like that, along with the common ignorance of referring to redlightstories as a "prostituted woman".
"If you tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth"
Little known fact is that if you tell the truth often enough, nobody buys into the lie.
:mad::mad::mad:
They don't need to lie... they are a religious group. We have their word :rolleyes:
LaBelleThatcher
10-04-12, 11:15
They don't need to lie... they are a religious group. We have their word :rolleyes:
...and if you believe THAT there is a nice bridge in London you might be interested in buying...it has two towers and opens...cut price for quick cash sale :D
Just realised, she knows twitter better than me and outplayed me last night by constantly responding to one redlightstories tweet in reply to me to avoid a "conversation" linkback to my original statements (which were pretty darn good!)...BUT...I think it is possible to start a "trend" on twitter that will link back to them by using #ruhama...
Worth a try?
...and if you believe THAT there is a nice bridge in London you might be interested in buying...it has two towers and opens...cut price for quick cash sale :D
Just realised, she knows twitter better than me and outplayed me last night by constantly responding to one redlightstories tweet in reply to me to avoid a "conversation" linkback to my original statements (which were pretty darn good!)...BUT...I think it is possible to start a "trend" on twitter that will link back to them by using #ruhama...
Worth a try?
The fact that they play a game of tactics simply portrays the whole Twitter propaganda is simply a battle of the wits rather than serving an actual, useful purpose. Could Twitter be the 21st Century medium for 'ousting the demons' amongst us?! :D
LaBelleThatcher
10-04-12, 11:32
The fact that they play a game of tactics simply portrays the whole Twitter propaganda is simply a battle of the wits rather than serving an actual, useful purpose. Could Twitter be the 21st Century medium for 'ousting the demons' amongst us?! :D
The fact that they play a game of tactics shows me that they have no valid case to offer at all.
They are lying every step of the way, and they *KNOW* they are lying, they *KNOW* their agenda will hurt innocent people...and it does not matter to them.
The only genuine thing about them is the dehumanised contempt they hold us all in. Treating us like children and dumb animals is 100% sincere, every single time...and it will be their downfall because it is so unconscious that she cannot control it.
They are starting to look as flakey and unravelled as the "professional survivors"...people tend to notice this stuff and start distancing themselves.
LaBelleThatcher
10-04-12, 11:43
Update...they just got my account suspended for "unsolicited replies to multiple users" (easily fixed already). redlightstories should note that she can do the same thing to Ruhama for multiple unsolicited replies to her single tweet last night to conceal the fact that they were, in fact replying to my tweets, not hers.
Ruhama should probably note that they kicked off last night just after I had been retweeted and chatted to by a celeb...as a result their nasty little performance may have had a slightly bigger audience than Ch4+1 for the same time period...
:D
You don't SERIOUSLY think I would answer for, and talk across redlightstories without having a VERY good reason up my sleeve, do you?
My name isn't Sarah...
;)
LaBelleThatcher
10-04-12, 12:27
It has just become even more childish and spiteful:
https://twitter.com/#!/RuhamaAgency
"RT@DublinCallGirl my online stalker is called Eileen Lang. She keeps lying about knowing me & stuff. and making up stuff about Ruhama..sad."
So, you heard it here...that thing about Ruhama wanting to prosecute clients, to destroy the market and take away your incomes??
Just a little something I made up. :D
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=337917042932673&set=o.131193550289985&type=1&theater
It has just become even more childish and spiteful:
https://twitter.com/#!/RuhamaAgency
"RT@DublinCallGirl my online stalker is called Eileen Lang. She keeps lying about knowing me & stuff. and making up stuff about Ruhama..sad."
So, you heard it here...that thing about Ruhama wanting to prosecute clients, to destroy the market and take away your incomes??
Just a little something I made up. :D
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=337917042932673&set=o.131193550289985&type=1&theater
I see DCG is required reading for every teenager now - https://secretdiaryofadublincallgirl.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/getting-paid-to-say-yes/
I didn’t get paid to say no, I don’t like that, a bit more gentle, a bit less rough, please stop biting me, please stop finger fucking me, please stop pulling my hair, please stop smacking me, please stop.
For the record, I pay to be told "no", so I don't think anyone should have any inhibitions about laying down the law in an intimate encounter, in fact I would think that's when it should most apply. Balance is important but obviously I'm sure there are clients who don't really give a f**k and that's a pity.
LaBelleThatcher
10-04-12, 14:11
I see DCG is required reading for every teenager now - https://secretdiaryofadublincallgirl.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/getting-paid-to-say-yes/
Where is that?
I really HATE this "hooring for teens" business...the realities of many sections of the sex industry are NOT age appropriate for the young...and I don't mean the sex, I mean the hardship, the persecution, the corruption within the NGOs and the system...
It goes without saying there is NEVER an excuse for teaching teens an agenda driven fiction.
For the record, I pay to be told "no", so I don't think anyone should have any inhibitions about laying down the law in an intimate encounter, in fact I would think that's when it should most apply. Balance is important but obviously I'm sure there are clients who don't really give a f**k and that's a pity.
I never waited for somebody to pay me to say no...I just said "no" whenever I needed to and that was the end of that. They accepted it (with the odd bit of attempted persuasion at times).
Interestingly enough it was always part of Ruhama's cult conditioning to convince the women that they should never assert their rights without being paid to do so...I know how twisted and unlikely that sounds but it really happened, and probably still does.
They are not very good at taking "no" for an answer on that either. The last conference of theirs I attended, in my innocence, beforehand, I explained, in writing, to avoid embarassment (They gave me a stiff white envelope I thought was a thank you card at the previous conference, I was in town before I opened it and knew it contained a £20 note, the price of a fuck...I WAS DEVASTATED! But I still tried to assume it was well intentioned.), that although I had no money at the time and honestly could not pay the fee for Activists I was an independent Activist, wished to be treated as one and hoped to be able to pay like anyone else next time. I then went on to explain that it was very important *FOR ME* that I fund my own Activism, because that was my way of showing, not telling, the women what they are worth, and I felt any form of payment would compromise my independence. Even so, within sight and earshot of as many people I had been managing to get to accept me as an equal and intelligent human being as possible, they tried to pay me off, first trying to get me to sign something the text of which was obscured by a piece of paper, then they got very pushy...and not in a good way, it only just stopped shot of throwing it on the ground at me...I told them to give it to Olive Braden (there for rape crisis) and walked away.
I had been invited by some of the delgates to the "afters" in the pub, they were nice people, we go on, I wanted to go...but after that, I felt like dirt and just couldn't...I was in clinical shock, and was, honestly, 10 miles out of town before I realised I had taken the wrong arterial road...
Some thing never change...
Where is that?
I really HATE this "hooring for teens" business...the realities of many sections of the sex industry are NOT age appropriate for the young...and I don't mean the sex, I mean the hardship, the persecution, the corruption within the NGOs and the system...
It goes without saying there is NEVER an excuse for teaching teens an agenda driven fiction.
Ruhama's tweeter page (https://twitter.com/#!/ruhamaagency), some talking head has re-tweeted it with that catchphrase. I can't see it catching on, it would need a great deal of watering down before it would become acceptable on the curriculum.
I never waited for somebody to pay me to say no...I just said "no" whenever I needed to and that was the end of that. They accepted it (with the odd bit of attempted persuasion at times).
That's the way it should work but I do accept that it's possible that no everyone is that understanding and respecting of another person's will.
Interestingly enough it was always part of Ruhama's cult conditioning to convince the women that they should never assert their rights without being paid to do so...I know how twisted and unlikely that sounds but it really happened, and probably still does.
They are not very good at taking "no" for an answer on that either. The last conference of theirs I attended, in my innocence, beforehand, I explained, in writing, to avoid embarassment (They gave me a stiff white envelope I thought was a thank you card at the previous conference, I was in town before I opened it and knew it contained a £20 note, the price of a fuck...I WAS DEVASTATED! But I still tried to assume it was well intentioned.), that although I had no money at the time and honestly could not pay the fee for Activists I was an independent Activist, wished to be treated as one and hoped to be able to pay like anyone else next time. I then went on to explain that it was very important *FOR ME* that I fund my own Activism, because that was my way of showing, not telling, the women what they are worth, and I felt any form of payment would compromise my independence. Even so, within sight and earshot of as many people I had been managing to get to accept me as an equal and intelligent human being as possible, they tried to pay me off, first trying to get me to sign something the text of which was obscured by a piece of paper, then they got very pushy...and not in a good way, it only just stopped shot of throwing it on the ground at me...I told them to give it to Olive Braden (there for rape crisis) and walked away.
I had been invited by some of the delgates to the "afters" in the pub, they were nice people, we go on, I wanted to go...but after that, I felt like dirt and just couldn't...I was in clinical shock, and was, honestly, 10 miles out of town before I realised I had taken the wrong arterial road...
Some thing never change...
Dependency is the best way - you're supposed to parrot their agenda, not think for yourself, woman! How dare you!? ;)
LaBelleThatcher
10-04-12, 15:15
Dependency is the best way - you're supposed to parrot their agenda, not think for yourself, woman! How dare you!? ;)
The other half of the story just came back to me, like all trauma, as a memory, it comes and goes.
I didn't just write in and explain, I went in to explain, and made it a strict condition of my attendance. The person I spoke to was being very nice and asked what I was doing, so I told her that I was going for a job inerview, something I would have been perfect for...
Turned out she knew the person who would be interviewing me. :o
But she INSISTED that she would put in a good word, the job as as good as mine...I wasn't sure...were were really adversaries, but she insisted and even told me she would introduce me at the conference.
I couldn't walk straight away from that crass attempt to "buy me off" against my expressed wishes...there were people I had to take leave of...
She came looking for me again before I left (not long after, and I have no dea how I got through it) and told me that she had been thinking, and she felt it would be inappropriate of her to put in a word for me after all.
I went for that interview anyway...knowing in my heart of hearts...well, anyone who saw twitter today can surely work out what I knew in my heart of hearts...
It was one of the most humiliating experiences of my life. There is NOTHING I ever came across in sex work that was as degrading as the sneering and condescension that day.
There I was, all dressed in my best...rehearsed to the last nuance...being made vicious fun of...it wasn't open, but it wasn't subtle either...
That is what the state pays €700,000 for...of course I hoped they had changed...but the truth is out now...
There I was, all dressed in my best...rehearsed to the last nuance...being made vicious fun of...it wasn't open, but it wasn't subtle either...
.
Thats what happens any time I deal with authorities in Ireland. And they dont even need to know what I do to treat me like that. Enough that I'm foreign and independent enough. Its part of the culture. Rip of, bedrudge and laugh about other peoples misery you have caused.
But I have to admit that Ruhama at least works hard and smart for their funding/ People in other organisations do fuck all and still get paid big bucks.
I'm always supriced when I meet someone competent in Ireland where most people cannot follow simple 'go straight and take 2nd left'.
LaBelleThatcher
10-04-12, 18:01
Thats what happens any time I deal with authorities in Ireland. And they dont even need to know what I do to treat me like that. Enough that I'm foreign and independent enough. Its part of the culture. Rip of, bedrudge and laugh about other peoples misery you have caused.
That is a part of reality I didn't even think was "age-appropriate" for ye lot :sad:
But I have to admit that Ruhama at least works hard and smart for their funding/ People in other organisations do fuck all and still get paid big bucks.
Ruhama seem to do feck all except lobby against us all and hustle funding...seriously...that ARE that bad and that dishonest...which is why they had to resort to childish, underhand tactics when they realised I am not going to be manipulated or intimidated...they know they haven't got a leg to stand on in any legitimate way...there is an whole can of worms just waiting to be opened...and it is all backed up in the public domain. They just assumed nobody would ever dare put it together before.
But I know about the other organisations too...
I'm always supriced when I meet someone competent in Ireland where most people cannot follow simple 'go straight and take 2nd left'.
That is what the state pays €700,000 for...of course I hoped they had changed...but the truth is out now...
They got €300m out of the Mahon Tribunal, and only made about seventeen Barristers millionaires. A whole generation of Senior and Junior Counsel on €2,250 and €1,500 per day. ;) Don't be too optimistic, cynicism is the fashion at the moment.
I find it creepy that DCG keeps going on about how she used to advertise here. She never placed an advert here. she used the message boards. Sure she messaged guys here, arranged dates, but she didn't pay for an ad here and she didn't get reviewed, as only paying advertisers can be reviewed. Most of the time she flitted between posting about her support of ruhama, that purchase of sex should be criminalised etc, then the next week putting a post up saying she was back working as an escort if any guy was interested!?!
DCG blames E-I for a lot, but the fact is she came here of her own free will, used our message boards, got support (Sam and Nic phoning her whenever she had any issues on the board etc), was a difficult character, then left... Never having paid E-I a cent. If she'd actually been a paying customer I'd find her complaints about E-I more easy to accept I think. We welcome non-advertiser escorts on these message boards, but it is strange for a non-advertiser to write so much negative about a website she simply used for free.
Could everyone please stop clicking on links to her blog from here as she is complaining about all the traffic we are now sending her blog also :D:D:D
LaBelleThatcher
11-04-12, 01:38
DCG blames E-I for a lot, but the fact is she came here of her own free will, used our message boards, got support (Sam and Nic phoning her whenever she had any issues on the board etc), was a difficult character, then left... Never having paid E-I a cent. If she'd actually been a paying customer I'd find her complaints about E-I more easy to accept I think. We welcome non-advertiser escorts on these message boards, but it is strange for a non-advertiser to write so much negative about a website she simply used for free.
You know Pat, the ONLY thing preventing me from "outing" her, and how far from a normal, healthy sex worker she is was that I would be ashamed to be seen to do that while you have all held to the code of silence despite every sick, twisted thing she has said...
It is so unfair it makes me want to...better not say it...
LaBelleThatcher
11-04-12, 01:40
Could everyone please stop clicking on links to her blog from here as she is complaining about all the traffic we are now sending her blog also :D:D:D
Oh yes, we HAVE to stop harassing her with attention...really we do...
See my pm...you will find it interesting...
:D :D :D
Oh, she a complete nutcase. I stopped taking her for credible when she posted that all men only ever treated her like shit. So she made it obvious that the punters aren't the actual problem. Well, not that I have much better experience with men but her reaction is bit extreme to say the least.
Then she begun to contradict herself in every second paragraph and didn't make any sense anymore. It must have been obvious even to her followers, that she lost it completely. Unfortunately thats the problem with propagnda - the followers are somewhat blinded and in the end arent even aware what they following anymore.
Sad case really. It also highligts the quality of help psychotherapy can offer.... It only turns you into an even bigger egocentric mess... So sad. Especially considering there are real sources of real help available that people arent aware of.
I find it creepy that DCG keeps going on about how she used to advertise here. She never placed an advert here. she used the message boards. Sure she messaged guys here, arranged dates, but she didn't pay for an ad here and she didn't get reviewed, as only paying advertisers can be reviewed. Most of the time she flitted between posting about her support of ruhama, that purchase of sex should be criminalised etc, then the next week putting a post up saying she was back working as an escort if any guy was interested!?!
Thanks for this post Pat , I never realised this.
Oh, she a complete nutcase. I stopped taking her for credible when she posted that all men only ever treated her like shit. So she made it obvious that the punters aren't the actual problem. Well, not that I have much better experience with men but her reaction is bit extreme to say the least.
I am very sorry to hear this Anna. It is hard to believe that things could be that bad but I accept that I am not at the coalface. If this is indeed the case, then I just dont understand it at all, as Irish people tend to be nice generally and appear to relate well to most people around the globe.
LaBelleThatcher
11-04-12, 13:00
Best source of therapy I know...follow Anna23 posts...
You ALWAYS keep me real anyway :)
Ruhama do not even offer psychotherapy, apparently not even counselling. One of the professional survivors mentioned it recently, which is odd, because years ago, in the early days of Ruhama, a lovely lady who worked the canals, who would be a brilliant counsellor (I knew as soon as she said it, one of those "calming people" you feel safe with), took on loads of VEC accredited courses in counselling because Ruhama promised her a job counselling at the end of it.
Just another load of bullshit Ruhama spoonfed to a woman who desperately wanted out (she was "Rose", I think, in Lyn Madden's first book...lovely woman, hard life).
All Ruhama offer is "befriending", frequently by volunteers. Ruhama do not realise this but I have known a couple of their "volunteers" (and one of their office admins) socially over the years...without them knowing about my past at all...and with no exaggeration, they were a both vicious little bitches with bad habits on control and snobbery.
They use these people to condition (brainwash is misnomer I will not us) the women who come into their clutches...someone else who knows their stuff said that they keep sweetly, patiently throwing their bullshit at you and let cognitive dissonance do the rest...
Just a few minutes ago, on twitter, they tell an active sex worker:
"hi, you need to check out a testimony on the homepage of our website"
Please tell me, WHAT ON EARTH can a testimony they concocted for their agenda, tell her about the sex industry that she does not already know better and more accurately from her own experience and observations?
Do they think she is blind, deaf and stupid?
I have come across the same from other "rescue orgs"...literally, I have been familiar with (though not worked in) the sex industry since 1971 (the things you can learn left in pram outside shops in Soho ;) ) and still one of these idiots was addressing me as if I am 5 (er...1971 SHOULD be a clue there?), and telling me I needed to read the testimonies on her site, and, presumably, disregard the evidence of my own eyes and ears.
This is all condescending and offensive as a political agenda...but we will live...however, you ever think about what happens to the women who get sucked into Ruhama, then spat out the far end, artificially traumatised, conditioned to carry a load of irrational propaganda where their own observations and experiences should be (not just of the value, or not, of the sex industry, but of every perspective they learned on anything in association with it)?
Has anyone ever done an impartial, independent follow up study on what becomes of the women Ruhama "rescue" 10 years on? 20 years on? With a control group of women *NOT* "rescued" for comparison?
Has anybody bothered to study just HOW MUCH DAMAGE THEY HAVE DONE?
Or will this be a scandal for our Grandchildren to gasp in horror at, as we did at the laundries?
Because when unscrupulous people impose control on vulnerable people there will ALWAYS be a scandal...
Has anyone ever done an impartial, independent follow up study on what becomes of the women Ruhama "rescue" 10 years on? 20 years on? With a control group of women *NOT* "rescued" for comparison?
Has anybody bothered to study just HOW MUCH DAMAGE THEY HAVE DONE?
...
Yes, that would make interesting reading or viewing.
Independent analysis of topics can be such a difficult thing to find, as 9/10 times there will be an agenda somewhere in the back ground.:mad:
Oh yes, we HAVE to stop harassing her with attention...really we do...
See my pm...you will find it interesting...
:D :D :D
Now they're RTing directly against E-I, while still throwing up articles and reports in favour of criminalisation without any balance. This NGO gravy train is the best - getting paid to tweet crap?
Now they're RTing directly against E-I, while still throwing up articles and reports in favour of criminalisation without any balance. This NGO gravy train is the best - getting paid to tweet crap?
Ruhama? Tweeting against E-I?! WHAT?!!
http://checkmypulse.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/shocked_face.jpg?w=300&h=300
Ruhama? Tweeting against E-I?! WHAT?!!
http://checkmypulse.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/shocked_face.jpg?w=300&h=300
I was actually surprised for once that they've actually lowered themselves to targeting individual entities and people. I have to say E-I is great for the economy, it generates a whole cottage industry of trolls and so-called survivors.
I was actually surprised for once that they've actually lowered themselves to targeting individual entities and people. I have to say E-I is great for the economy, it generates a whole cottage industry of trolls and so-called survivors.
Although cottaging isn't listed in the favourites ;)
Half Man and Half Dildo
11-04-12, 18:56
A few weeks ago when that sex-trafficking ring was busted in Sweden I kept watch on Ruhama's Twitter feed for a few days just to see if they would link to the story, no such luck, they happily post links to articles from all across the world when it suits their agenda, but not a single mention of the Swedish case because it would show up the failure of the Nordic model.
And to think they get €700,000 a year to post day in, day out on Twitter. Does anyone know how much of that goes on Salaries?
LaBelleThatcher
11-04-12, 19:15
A few weeks ago when that sex-trafficking ring was busted in Sweden I kept watch on Ruhama's Twitter feed for a few days just to see if they would link to the story, no such luck, they happily post links to articles from all across the world when it suits their agenda, but not a single mention of the Swedish case because it would show up the failure of the Nordic model.
And to think they get €700,000 a year to post day in, day out on Twitter. Does anyone know how much of that goes on Salaries?
Let me quote you from my page:
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In their last filed accounts at http://www.cro.ie Ruhama showed an total income of €655,989 which they state does not include government grants for some expenditure thus:
"The company adopts a policy of deferring grant income. This policy ensures that income received for future grant projects is deferred in the financial statements, and is offset against the expenditure associated with that particular project."
Obviously, perfectly legal, but does make it impossible to estimate the true level of grant funding over and above that declared.
It is only possible to estimate their income from donations based on previous years but it is unlikely to exceed €65,000, which would leave them anywhere between 80% and 90% Government funded.
Out of this income they spent €428,176 on wages and salaries plus €39,324 on Social Welfare Costs - easily 2/3 of their income even before other administrative costs are taken into account.
Like a lot of NGOs they decline to respond the question "What is your CEO salary?"
The primary activity of Ruhama appears to be lobbying for laws to decrease and remove the income of sex workers that many of them need to survive. Little, if any of their funding seems to be allocated to funding projects that assist sex workers in any tangible way.
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Disgusting isn't it? There are NGOs who have already had funding withdrawn just because their admin costs exceeded 2/3 of funding...I am hoping that if the right people are approached Ruhama will be gone after the next budget on that criteria alone.
You do not have to support sex workers rights, or see through Ruhama, to feel that kind of funding is deeply wrong when charities that spend the bulk of their funding on tangible service provision for children, the disabled and the elderly are being drastically cut back and even shut down.
That is why Ruhama are starting to get so nasty now...as Sarah Benson will know from her 7 years managing the women's aid switchboard (God know how messed up that was!) the abusers become far more dangerous when they realise you are likely to escape.
LaBelleThatcher
11-04-12, 19:19
SAMLAD!!!
WILL YOU PLEASE TRY TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!!!
THERE IS NOTHING FUNNY AT ALL ABOUT ALL OUT THERMONUCLEAR CYBERWARFARE!!!
Honestly...
:D :D :D :D :D
In breaking news today, Ruhama are happy to report that DublinCallGirl will be publishing a book and has the support of Maverick House publishers. So, Eileen, you were wrong. She will profit from her survivor blogging after all.
Anyone feel like getting an injunction? I know plenty of people who could do with the work. :D
Let me quote you from my page:
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In their last filed accounts at http://www.cro.ie Ruhama showed an total income of €655,989 which they state does not include government grants for some expenditure thus:
"The company adopts a policy of deferring grant income. This policy ensures that income received for future grant projects is deferred in the financial statements, and is offset against the expenditure associated with that particular project."
Obviously, perfectly legal, but does make it impossible to estimate the true level of grant funding over and above that declared.
It is only possible to estimate their income from donations based on previous years but it is unlikely to exceed €65,000, which would leave them anywhere between 80% and 90% Government funded.
Out of this income they spent €428,176 on wages and salaries plus €39,324 on Social Welfare Costs - easily 2/3 of their income even before other administrative costs are taken into account.
Like a lot of NGOs they decline to respond the question "What is your CEO salary?"
The primary activity of Ruhama appears to be lobbying for laws to decrease and remove the income of sex workers that many of them need to survive. Little, if any of their funding seems to be allocated to funding projects that assist sex workers in any tangible way.
***
Disgusting isn't it? There are NGOs who have already had funding withdrawn just because their admin costs exceeded 2/3 of funding...I am hoping that if the right people are approached Ruhama will be gone after the next budget on that criteria alone.
You do not have to support sex workers rights, or see through Ruhama, to feel that kind of funding is deeply wrong when charities that spend the bulk of their funding on tangible service provision for children, the disabled and the elderly are being drastically cut back and even shut down.
That is why Ruhama are starting to get so nasty now...as Sarah Benson will know from her 7 years managing the women's aid switchboard (God know how messed up that was!) the abusers become far more dangerous when they realise you are likely to escape.
The above would suggest that Ruhama themselves are pimps , using the misery of the unfortunate sex workers to line their own pockets....
Oh, she a complete nutcase. I stopped taking her for credible when she posted that all men only ever treated her like shit. So she made it obvious that the punters aren't the actual problem. Well, not that I have much better experience with men but her reaction is bit extreme to say the least.
Then she begun to contradict herself in every second paragraph and didn't make any sense anymore. It must have been obvious even to her followers, that she lost it completely. Unfortunately thats the problem with propagnda - the followers are somewhat blinded and in the end arent even aware what they following anymore.
Sad case really. It also highligts the quality of help psychotherapy can offer.... It only turns you into an even bigger egocentric mess... So sad. Especially considering there are real sources of real help available that people arent aware of.
Like KSteve, i find this statement by anna very uncomfortable as it suggests that indeed the overwhelming majority of customers/clients are indifferent assholes without any respect for the escorts.I had gotten the impression from numerous discussions on the subject matter that the majority of customers are ordinary decent joes who appreciate the service and availability of the sex workers.Is anna actually right? Are we customers in the main just a bunch of misogyginists who view sex workers merely as one evolutionary step above a wank? Labelle's brilliant contributions may suggest otherwise but every time i hear a credible escort like anna categorise the customers in such stark terms, i do wonder whether there is actually a moral onus not to continue visiting escorts.
LaBelleThatcher
12-04-12, 14:15
No B, it is you who are wrong...
I was only looking into seeking redress against Ruhama for defamation as it did not sit well with me to sue a disturbed young woman who announces herself to be €400 in debt...even though she was, apparently, the originator of the defamation Ruhama chose to promulgate in order to injure me - but if she is going to rake in money from a book, that must change...
Particularly if there is further defamation.
I could use money to help someone set up a sex worker lead fund to offer real help and support to women who genuinely cannot handle it any more. I would like to do that. :D
(No, i am NOT "goody two shoes" but I made a personal commitment never to take expenses, let alone profit from sex worker activism 20 years ago and I am partial to sustaining my self respect).
Apart from that, nobody needs to get too worried, at the end of the day the negative consequences to the author of "outing" people in such books always outweigh the gains...
That is why no names were mentioned in "The Ladies of the Kasbah" even though everyone thought they would be (and, under the circumstances, no-one could have been blamed).
She will churn out the melodramatic, self pity fest of the century and sell two copies to each member of Ruhama (one for self, and one to be kept on hand as emergency Christmas present)...someone, somewhere will eventually "out" her...even if they do not dump her like a used tissue when they have got all the use they can out of her, Ruhama will lose funding in the New Year and she will be left high dry, with no life, no friends and (hopefully) wishing she had gone for proper help instead. :(
There are 400,000 reasons why I never even considered writing and really publishing a book about my experience (beyond stringing a few online articles into a handy e-book to save me having to sit down and explain this stuff to people), DCG has just signed up for a PHD course in exactly what those reasons are...
LaBelleThatcher
12-04-12, 14:43
The above would suggest that Ruhama themselves are pimps , using the misery of the unfortunate sex workers to line their own pockets....
That is how I have always felt about them...and I have never had one single good experience of them to contradict it. They don't even really help anyone to get out, just lobby as an excuse to junket other NGOS and spend all day on Twitter and Facebook acting like catty little girls.
The sheer weight of psychological and emotional abuse they are dishing out is terrifying at this stage, and the higher the profile for that, the more sincere professionals will notice...
They are probably self destructing and they are too arrogant to even suspect it.
I think DCG is yet another disturbed individual they will grind between the wheels before they are gone, but she will find that out for herself soon enough.
LaBelleThatcher
12-04-12, 14:49
Like KSteve, i find this statement by anna very uncomfortable as it suggests that indeed the overwhelming majority of customers/clients are indifferent assholes without any respect for the escorts.I had gotten the impression from numerous discussions on the subject matter that the majority of customers are ordinary decent joes who appreciate the service and availability of the sex workers.Is anna actually right? Are we customers in the main just a bunch of misogyginists who view sex workers merely as one evolutionary step above a wank? Labelle's brilliant contributions may suggest otherwise but every time i hear a credible escort like anna categorise the customers in such stark terms, i do wonder whether there is actually a moral onus not to continue visiting escorts.
The best thing I know is, like everything else in life, just make sure you set a high standard for your own behaviours and do not worry about the rest. Every women who in sex work had a good reason to make that choice (which is why campaigning to take her icome away in the guise of "helping" her is the most HORRIFIC material, emotional and psychological abuse - find out what someone needs badly, then seize control and take it away is "Abuse101"). The majority want to give you good service...and the way you treat people has good effect...
I hated the work, but a few clients respectful with "good vibes" were like a tonic to set me up for days, but a few bad clients could really bring me down.
Like KSteve, i find this statement by anna very uncomfortable as it suggests that indeed the overwhelming majority of customers/clients are indifferent assholes without any respect for the escorts.I had gotten the impression from numerous discussions on the subject matter that the majority of customers are ordinary decent joes who appreciate the service and availability of the sex workers.Is anna actually right? Are we customers in the main just a bunch of misogyginists who view sex workers merely as one evolutionary step above a wank? Labelle's brilliant contributions may suggest otherwise but every time i hear a credible escort like anna categorise the customers in such stark terms, i do wonder whether there is actually a moral onus not to continue visiting escorts.
Oh no! I'm being misunderstood yet once again.
I spoke about men, not punters. I do indeed agree with you, that a punter is just an average joe, no better nor worse than a non-punter. I wouldnt generalise and say that they are a special kind of human just because they punt.
Also please dont take my statement as the real thing. I spoke only of my own experience and that has a value exactly only so big - one persons experience. Besides, you dont know how i treated the men in my life, so how can you know it was just their fault that I had a negative experience with them.
Like KSteve, i find this statement by anna very uncomfortable as it suggests that indeed the overwhelming majority of customers/clients are indifferent assholes without any respect for the escorts.I had gotten the impression from numerous discussions on the subject matter that the majority of customers are ordinary decent joes who appreciate the service and availability of the sex workers.Is anna actually right? Are we customers in the main just a bunch of misogyginists who view sex workers merely as one evolutionary step above a wank? Labelle's brilliant contributions may suggest otherwise but every time i hear a credible escort like anna categorise the customers in such stark terms, i do wonder whether there is actually a moral onus not to continue visiting escorts.
The best thing I know is, like everything else in life, just make sure you set a high standard for your own behaviours and do not worry about the rest. Every women who in sex work had a good reason to make that choice (which is why campaigning to take her icome away in the guise of "helping" her is the most HORRIFIC material, emotional and psychological abuse - find out what someone needs badly, then seize control and take it away is "Abuse101"). The majority want to give you good service...and the way you treat people has good effect...
I hated the work, but a few clients respectful with "good vibes" were like a tonic to set me up for days, but a few bad clients could really bring me down.
With respect, I dont think your answer addresses the concerns expressed which are about clients in general. To say that 'a few ' are good and lift the spirits doesnt give any comfort. Either most clients are decent guys, desireable as clients or they are not. Which is it ?
[ Remember, it is drummed into clients that the lady is being professional , preforming a fantasy and therefore it should follow that our own perceptions may well be questionable.]
LaBelleThatcher
13-04-12, 18:29
With respect, I dont think your answer addresses the concerns expressed which are about clients in general. To say that 'a few ' are good and lift the spirits doesnt give any comfort. Either most clients are decent guys, desireable as clients or they are not. Which is it ?
[ Remember, it is drummed into clients that the lady is being professional , preforming a fantasy and therefore it should follow that our own perceptions may well be questionable.]
Think you misunderstood what I said, probably because I put it badly...I meant to say (and honestly thought I had - old age and hardening arteries at me again I think :o ):
"I hated the work, but a few clients respectful with "good vibes" on the same day were like a tonic to set me up for days, but a few bad clients could really bring me down."
Think you misunderstood what I said, probably because I put it badly...I meant to say (and honestly thought I had - old age and hardening arteries at me again I think :o ):
"I hated the work, but a few clients respectful with "good vibes" on the same day were like a tonic to set me up for days, but a few bad clients could really bring me down."
You're still at it !! :D
I dont care whether its a day, a week, a month or a year ! I just want to hear confirmation as to whether or not most guys who visit escorts make desireable clients or not. It's really that simple.
Poor old Rachel 69 who is banned from here but carries the candle for us all is a regular tweeter .@desperate.com
LaBelleThatcher
01-05-12, 22:43
Poor old Rachel 69 who is banned from here but carries the candle for us all is a regular tweeter .@desperate.com
All sorts of crazy stuff is going on there right now, @TORL and one of the groups of schoolkids they have indoctrinated, and make use of (*shudders* it just DOES NOT GET any more inappropriate than that...in Cork they will not let a pregnant teen into school and yet a few miles away they let Ruhama loose to indoctrinate kids about abolishing sex work!) have been hacked.
the traveller
02-05-12, 06:47
Poor old Rachel 69 who is banned from here but carries the candle for us all is a regular tweeter .@desperate.com
could you post a link, can't find it,sorry. Thanks