View Full Version : Ruhama talking to independent TD's today
Jack in the Box
07-02-12, 18:53
That dictatorial crowd Ruhama were talking to independent TD's today. As we know they are trying to push their unacceptable law proposals. So it would be a good idea to keep emailing the TD's and senators plus make our voices known in other ways. Hopefully Turn Off the Blue Light and the Sex Workers Alliance Ireland can meet with politicans in order to put our case. Activity on our side will hopefully increase.
According to this article on Yahoo news, they have the backing of 80 TDs to criminalise the buying of sexual services.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/call-reform-prostitution-laws-174712007.html
The article refers to Ruhama as "Sex Trade Campaigners". That's disguting. They are completely "Anti-Sex Trade Campaigners" and should admit their agenda openly.
How many of those 80 use our services I wonder, I reckon between all of us girls on here and the clients we have seen who we know are are politicians, journos, gards, mayors etc etc we could bring the government down.
However we have to protect our families from publicity about us and also there is client/escort confidentiality too.
Criminalisation doesn't work in Sweden or Norway, it's just more discreet.If you have regular girls you see and carried on seeing them, stick with established escorts, make referrals to each other and we don't see guys without referrals that could work. Also if you regularly see the same girls you are not then buying casual sex we would be like gf's or mistresses and you would be giving us spending money.
I just can't see that criminalising it will stop it. I'm just wondering how many of you will stop entirely?
See this website, does it look like criminalisation has stopped men buying sex?
Hope it's ok to post this mods?
http://www.one-escort.com/main.php?country=46
Does the Gardai honestly have any appetite for enforcing this proposed foolishness? Surely they don't want to have a silly investigative burden while they're coping with cutbacks.
How many of those 80 use our services I wonder, I reckon between all of us girls on here and the clients we have seen who we know are are politicians, journos, gards, mayors etc etc we could bring the government down.
However we have to protect our families from publicity about us and also there is client/escort confidentiality too.
Criminalisation doesn't work in Sweden or Norway, it's just more discreet.If you have regular girls you see and carried on seeing them, stick with established escorts, make referrals to each other and we don't see guys without referrals that could work. Also if you regularly see the same girls you are not then buying casual sex we would be like gf's or mistresses and you would be giving us spending money.
I just can't see that criminalising it will stop it. I'm just wondering how many of you will stop entirely?
See this website, does it look like criminalisation has stopped men buying sex?
Hope it's ok to post this mods?
http://www.one-escort.com/main.php?country=46
I am obviously against the new proposals and TORL
But there is a bit in me that is curious of what will happen to the industry IF the law is introduced.
If it will reduce the numbers of sex workers advertising or if punters (in doors) will actually be arrested.
I hope I dont find the answers but I fear I will
However we have to protect our families from publicity about us and also there is client/escort confidentiality too.
Criminalisation doesn't work in Sweden or Norway, it's just more discreet.If you have regular girls you see and carried on seeing them, stick with established escorts, make referrals to each other and we don't see guys without referrals that could work. Also if you regularly see the same girls you are not then buying casual sex we would be like gf's or mistresses and you would be giving us spending money.
I just can't see that criminalising it will stop it. I'm just wondering how many of you will stop entirely?
See this website, does it look like criminalisation has stopped men buying sex?
Hope it's ok to post this mods?
http://www.one-escort.com/main.php?country=46
Thanks your for your comments Georgie. I'm afraid the proposed legislation to criminalize escort clients will stop me punting. Most of my visits are return visits to girls I want to see repeatedly, rather than to new girls. And I tend to go for established girls (who in my humble opinion are working of their own free will). But none of this will matter, and I will just have to stop altogether. I will probably see escorts when I get the chance to travel in other countries in Europe where there isn't this proposed legislation.
Ruhamma have done their homework. They know that this proposed legislation will be a huge deterrent to clients. Many like myself have just too much to lose. I would lose my job, my friends and irreversibly hurt my family (parents/siblings) if I were arrested and charged for seeing escorts.
Does the Gardai honestly have any appetite for enforcing this proposed foolishness? Surely they don't want to have a silly investigative burden while they're coping with cutbacks.
I agree with you Calidude. The Gardai have enough to be doing, let alone with the cut backs in their numbers and early retirements.
However, if the legislation comes in, I suspect the Gardai will try to make an example of a few punters and make a few well publicized arrests initially. And I certainly don't want to be one of those.
I was just watching the round up of the seanad proceedings for today, and there isn't any sympathy in our favour. All seem convinced by the Prime time documentary that this is the way to go forward. I fear that is a question of when rather than if. Apologies if I sound defeatist.
I dont see how they can catch indoor clients
At least in the act and proving it could be difficult
I dont see how they can catch indoor clients
At least in the act and proving it could be difficult
A video was posted on this site before - of the police in Sweden breaking into an apartment and catching the naked client and escort in bed together. Horrific stuff. You'd think they were breaking in on terrorists or drug dealers, the way they handcuffed and subdued both of them.
I suspect mobile phone records and your computer browsing history will all be brought into evidence. (And a punting phone wont be any good if it's found on you).
Thanks your for your comments Georgie. I'm afraid the proposed legislation to criminalize escort clients will stop me punting. Most of my visits are return visits to girls I want to see repeatedly, rather than to new girls. And I tend to go for established girls (who in my humble opinion are working of their own free will). But none of this will matter, and I will just have to stop altogether. I will probably see escorts when I get the chance to travel in other countries in Europe where there isn't this proposed legislation.
Ruhamma have done their homework. They know that this proposed legislation will be a huge deterrent to clients. Many like myself have just too much to lose. I would lose my job, my friends and irreversibly hurt my family (parents/siblings) if I were arrested and charged for seeing escorts.
I agree with you Calidude. The Gardai have enough to be doing, let alone with the cut backs in their numbers and early retirements.
However, if the legislation comes in, I suspect the Gardai will try to make an example of a few punters and make a few well publicized arrests initially. And I certainly don't want to be one of those.
I was just watching the round up of the seanad proceedings for today, and there isn't any sympathy in our favour. All seem convinced by the Prime time documentary that this is the way to go forward. I fear that is a question of when rather than if. Apologies if I sound defeatist.
Then we will have to become friends and I will quit escorting for you (and few others). They cannot illegalise arrangements between friends (although as far as Ireland is concerned, nothing would suprise me here).
I always used to have several friends with benefits so what's the difference when these friends happen to be better off for change and help me out a little by contributing towards my rent? How can you put a law on that?
I might even be able to avoid the taxes if I lived like this. Win win!
Casanova007
09-02-12, 21:48
I won't be stopping punting
wonderboy1
09-02-12, 23:01
I won't be stopping punting
Good for you, the resistance begins
A video was posted on this site before - of the police in Sweden breaking into an apartment and catching the naked client and escort in bed together. Horrific stuff. You'd think they were breaking in on terrorists or drug dealers, the way they handcuffed and subdued both of them.
I suspect mobile phone records and your computer browsing history will all be brought into evidence. (And a punting phone wont be any good if it's found on you).
Well we will see
I dont know what will happen
Sweden takes the law very seriously more so than that of Norway and Iceland.
This thread is very topical. I belive it should be read by as many members as possible and for that reason alone it should be moved to the General Chat? Just a suggestion
Are those TDs verified as independent or are they pimped?
(Sorry, couldn't resist. :D)
Julius Caesar
11-02-12, 08:49
It's a joke if the government would only look at the bigger picture
1 escorts rent appartments at a premium rate thus money into the econemy
2 escorts buy food and drink in local areas thus good for the econemy
3 escorts provide a release for stressed out men without breaking up family's
4 at a guess an escort will spend up to €1000 per week rent food condoms clothing it's only a guess but an avarage and you multiply that by 1000 that's €1 million per week is what escorts spend in ireland ... Interesting thaught
The Escort Industry & sites like this need to be aware that the proposals to regulate internet sites pose as much of a threat as the "Turn Off" campaign. Without reference or debate the Minister could request that all ISPs block access to sites that feature adverts for prostitution - he could turn off EI at a stroke.
Should either this or the "Turn Off" campaign be successful then more girls will turn to using dating sites. It is simple to register a profile looking for "intimate encounter" & then use a phrase like "seeking generous men"
Getting caught visiting an escort could lead someone to commit suicide
Getting caught visiting an escort could lead someone to commit suicide
Exactly, didn't one of those guys in Limerick commit suicide who was arrested by the undercover ban gardai? I know for a fact one guy got kicked out of his house and is being divorced. Sucks.. Imagine getting caught like that and your name all over the papers, everyone that knows you knowing such a thing. People you don't get on with knowing about it. Ex girfriends or wives etc all finding out. And when this Ruhama crowd get their way and it is criminalised, the gardai will try to make a few well publicised arrests to again deter people from paying for services. I am done with punting. Worth our names all over the papers? No way
Jack in the Box
20-02-12, 19:01
If all the people who are against the criminalising of clients of sex workers stick together then we are a force to be reconed with. Keep protesting to TD's etc by email. Escorts on this site should do the same as it is more difficult for people to dispute their word.
It would be worth exploring things that could be boycotted. Maybe Ikea goods as this store is like a flagship for the Swedish government which started all this nonsense in the first place. If there was a mass boycott of Swedish goods the government there might have to sit up and listen. However it might be hard to organise and could have down sides. But a good thing would be that the identity of boycotters would be hidden.
Does anybody know why things are quiet on the TOTBL site at the moment? Hopefully everything is ok there.
That Prime Time programme on RTE about sex workers was one sided propaganda. It's outrageous the way clients of sex workers were blamed for other people's faults. However in order not to give the other side an inch I think that it would be a good idea if this website really went out of it's way to hunt down exploitation. It would be worth considering restricting the hours that an escort is available for work, watching that her ad is not appearing in different locations after a short interval and also maybe doing more background checks on people who advertise on this site. These are some suggestions.