View Full Version : Belfast "Human Trafficking" arrests
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0824/belfast.html
http://www.u.tv/utvplayer/video/138749/113544
Great to see. The more the better. Hope the girls involved are ok.
The apartments that were raided would be at the bottom end of the market.
In there once and wouldn't want to go back.
Have to remember in the north that you can be prosecuted for having sex with a trafficked escort even if you didn't know they were.
Sticking to established independent business women who are escorts out if choice seems the safest policy.
Good :). I hope they get their just desserts, assuming that they are charged with it. If anyone does suspect any activity of human trafficking, please do report it to the authorities. If any of them do happen to be advertising on E-I, we will gladly pass this information onto them.
Its awful to think that this trade actually continues and any actions by the police are to be welcomed and you just have to look at other sites that are full of adverts for young Asian and eastern European girls to get a idea of just how widespread the problem is. The only concern I have is for the independent girls working in Belfast and I know of at least 2 that will no longer take the risk of working here and who can blame them. Its important that the gangs bringing these poor unfortunate girls into the country are caught and face the full force of the law I do hope that the police don't start interfering with true independent girls just trying to make a living in what at the moment is a very difficult time due to many punters not having as mush disposable income.
Great to see. The more the better. Hope the girls involved are ok.
The apartments that were raided would be at the bottom end of the market.
In there once and wouldn't want to go back.
Have to remember in the north that you can be prosecuted for having sex with a trafficked escort even if you didn't know they were.
Sticking to established independent business women who are escorts out if choice seems the safest policy.
saoirsemac
24-08-11, 17:57
Great to see. The more the better. Hope the girls involved are ok.
The apartments that were raided would be at the bottom end of the market.
In there once and wouldn't want to go back.
Have to remember in the north that you can be prosecuted for having sex with a trafficked escort even if you didn't know they were.
Sticking to established independent business women who are escorts out if choice seems the safest policy.
sorry to jump on ur comment but u said u bn b4 as in you may of availed of these poor girls sericves? i always noted ur safest policy remark as in U the poor innocent punter cud be prosacuted in the north! as in it grand as long as i dnt get done for it! instead of when u went dne the right thing and reported this digusting organised rape of young girls im sick to the teeth of seeing reiews of obvious agency or worse girls where the punter felt victimised! hello wake up put down ur cock and use the brain upstairs! sometimes i think no wonder the country fucked with mindless idiots in it! trafficeffers wud not be doing it if they where not making the cash.... now off u pop to find a 60e escort so u can go let 'the kids' go swimming
Liberty Love
24-08-11, 17:58
yep this is good. I hope the girls are ok now...
Great to see. The more the better. Hope the girls involved are ok.
The apartments that were raided would be at the bottom end of the market.
In there once and wouldn't want to go back.
Have to remember in the north that you can be prosecuted for having sex with a trafficked escort even if you didn't know they were.
Sticking to established independent business women who are escorts out if choice seems the safest policy.
Have to agree 100% Harry. Pretty dodgy apartments & always avoid them. Hopefully the traffickers will get locked away for a very long time & the girls make a good recovery from what happened to them.
People do need to understand that if someone is a victim of human trafficking, it's the escort that is the victim, not the punter. Please bear that in mind too, and this is another reason why this should be reported properly to the Guards.
saoirsemac
24-08-11, 18:06
People do need to understand that if someone is a victim of human trafficking, it's the escort that is the victim, not the punter. Please bear that in mind too, and this is another reason why this should be reported properly to the Guards.
well said sam shame others dnt feel that way even tho they try to think they are
well said sam shame others dnt feel that way even tho they try to think they are
If for even one second I thought/suspected/knew anybody was the victim of trafficking, or any other form of abuse for that matter, I would report it straight away.
And for anyone in the North there is the confidential police number were you can report and not have any concerns of getting into any trouble with the authorities. As punters we are in the best position to help these girls by just picking up the phone when we have any real worries about any girl we might encounter.
People do need to understand that if someone is a victim of human trafficking, it's the escort that is the victim, not the punter. Please bear that in mind too, and this is another reason why this should be reported properly to the Guards.
DONEGALANGEL
24-08-11, 18:18
sorry to jump on ur comment but u said u bn b4 as in you may of availed of these poor girls sericves? i always noted ur safest policy remark as in U the poor innocent punter cud be prosacuted in the north! as in it grand as long as i dnt get done for it! instead of when u went dne the right thing and reported this digusting organised rape of young girls im sick to the teeth of seeing reiews of obvious agency or worse girls where the punter felt victimised! hello wake up put down ur cock and use the brain upstairs! sometimes i think no wonder the country fucked with mindless idiots in it! trafficeffers wud not be doing it if they where not making the cash.... now off u pop to find a 60e escort so u can go let 'the kids' go swimming
sorry to jump on your comment here doll.. but I am about to say something that may have people jumping on me.. when I did my first tour in dublin.. I seen something involving two girls in a lift that scared me.. and when I think back on it having never been in dublin before.. i would say one of these ladies was not going some place voluntary and i am sure she was not doing her job out of her own free choice.. but I can sadly say not knowing anything about escorting outside my own wee bubble I never realised what was really going on until I mentioned it on the way home.. but I did know it was scary being in the lift with them and walking outside past them..and when I looked back cos I am nosey i also thought what happened next is usual.. and I never said anything..I often wonder when escorts stay somewhere how many seen things that alert them.. If i had been aware what was happening I may have done something.. but do guys when they visit know that a girl is trafficked or is it just a case of the lady has a bad day.. and escorts do we really know wat to do in a situation.. I know the next time I would deffo try to communicate and suss things out.. instead of looking on scared..x
simple. ask them. ask them if they like their job, if they're happy, if they have a pimp, be as blatant as you like. At least the girl, trafficked, pimped or not, will feel cared about. No one is that good an actor, trust your gut instinct, if it doesn't feel right, ASK HER IF SHE'S OKAY.
The danger of making a public issue of this on the message boards is that people who do traffic are professionals; people have to understand that if anyone trafficked is advertising on this site, the people responsible will surely be monitoring the message boards to make sure nobody cottons onto them. I would imagine that if they are 'exposed' on an open forum, it will just force them underground rather than doing the escort or clients any favours, so please do report these things rather than debating it on the message boards. We will gladly cooperate with the police if they need any information; we do not want these people to get away with it if they are doing it, although at present, we are not currently aware of any actual escorts advertising with us that are victims.
DONEGALANGEL
24-08-11, 18:30
sam just pmed u
sam just pmed u
Thanks Angel.
saoirsemac
24-08-11, 18:58
sorry to jump on your comment here doll.. but I am about to say something that may have people jumping on me.. when I did my first tour in dublin.. I seen something involving two girls in a lift that scared me.. and when I think back on it having never been in dublin before.. i would say one of these ladies was not going some place voluntary and i am sure she was not doing her job out of her own free choice.. but I can sadly say not knowing anything about escorting outside my own wee bubble I never realised what was really going on until I mentioned it on the way home.. but I did know it was scary being in the lift with them and walking outside past them..and when I looked back cos I am nosey i also thought what happened next is usual.. and I never said anything..I often wonder when escorts stay somewhere how many seen things that alert them.. If i had been aware what was happening I may have done something.. but do guys when they visit know that a girl is trafficked or is it just a case of the lady has a bad day.. and escorts do we really know wat to do in a situation.. I know the next time I would deffo try to communicate and suss things out.. instead of looking on scared..x
not at all as escort we dnt know wat the other side of the door is and cud end up dealing with their pimps if we get involed its the punters who know they visit the girls they see wat the operations like u know
Fact is, there would be no trafficked women if there was no demand for them.
Sexy Samantha British
24-08-11, 19:57
I doubt very much that a lady would tell you she is being forced into it, she would think that her pimp has sent someone to check up on her. If it were me, I wouldnt trust anyone. I really wish the ladies who have been rescued are given all the help they need and treated with the respect that they havent had thus far.
The definition of trafficking is quite wide and can be as simple as arranging accomodation/travel.The image of a 'trafficked' girl as a victim can be somewhat of a media misnomer when a chain of communication and linking is involved that although is essentially consensual nevertheless is facilitative in nature.
I dont disagree that there are extreme examples of exploitation and I hope that these arrests are more than a pr exercise to send a message and discourage genuine independents
There seems to a periodic (usually around now in the summer) of action that spooks everyone concerned
skywalker85
24-08-11, 22:16
Great to see. The more the better. Hope the girls involved are ok.
The apartments that were raided would be at the bottom end of the market.
In there once and wouldn't want to go back.
Have to remember in the north that you can be prosecuted for having sex with a trafficked escort even if you didn't know they were.
Sticking to established independent business women who are escorts out if choice seems the safest policy.
well Harry do ya think that us clients like to be visiting girls who are forced to sleep with men,, think not.
Now tell me this how does one know for sure that the girl they are visiting is an established independent business woman.
Ive been in those apartments also, have always says that i wouldnt be back near ''the usual block'' as they are known.
but there are touring escorts use them also and 2 of whom i know who use the forums.
well Harry do ya think that us clients like to be visiting girls who are forced to sleep with men,, think not.
Now tell me this how does one know for sure that the girl they are visiting is an established independent business woman.
Ive been in those apartments also, have always says that i wouldnt be back near ''the usual block'' as they are known.
but there are touring escorts use them also and 2 of whom i know who use the forums.
I've had a PM conversation with Harry and what he said was misinterpreted.
Some escorts do hire people to take their calls, make books, sort out their accommodation, etc. but can still be regarded as independent. A lot of agency girls who advertise as independent probably do so because of this stigma with being an 'agency worker'; this misconception that all agency girls are pimped or trafficked... that's not always the case and often escorts working for agencies are the norm in England anyway. It's this conditioned attitude in Ireland that all agency workers are 'victims' when in actual fact, it's more for convenience. I'm sure there are some agencies that aren't very nice, but it's not always the case.
I have also been in those apartments but only see girls advertised on here and with positivevreviews. My experiences have been positive but now I am worried.
skywalker85
07-09-11, 23:07
I have also been in those apartments but only see girls advertised on here and with positivevreviews. My experiences have been positive but now I am worried.
Was in them cple times myself....until i was told by a friend who lives near them that he seen unmarked cars watching them,,that was it for me....never did like 'the usual block', Just got that feeling about them..now dont get me wrong there are girls who are in the community who use them who i believe are truely indie,, and one of them has been on my favs for ages so i might hav to make an exception 1 more time if she returns :p
When i first started working last year i worked for a man having just finished uni i had no money and didnt have a clue how to work independantly i only worked for him for 6 weeks in glasgow and belfast but he certainly didnt pimp me out or put me under pressure too work it actually helped me so much as i liturally didnt have a pennybut i was told he did pressure the foreign girls. Sometimes girls dont want the pressure to work for themselves as its so many overheads, Iv gota say i wouldnt work for anyone in ireland but in england you can make good money from the agencys on outcall xxxx
When i first started working last year i worked for a man having just finished uni i had no money and didnt have a clue how to work independantly i only worked for him for 6 weeks in glasgow and belfast but he certainly didnt pimp me out or put me under pressure too work it actually helped me so much as i liturally didnt have a pennybut i was told he did pressure the foreign girls. Sometimes girls dont want the pressure to work for themselves as its so many overheads, Iv gota say i wouldnt work for anyone in ireland but in england you can make good money from the agencys on outcall xxxx
Good post Faith -- thanks !:) Great to read a post by an escort which gives some insight into the other side of this business.
Update ---->
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-14763402
more scandal this week
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16005035
how do i know what girls to avoid were any advertising on this site??
iloveapples
04-12-11, 04:26
why what is wrong with working for somone from ireland?????
When i first started working last year i worked for a man having just finished uni i had no money and didnt have a clue how to work independantly i only worked for him for 6 weeks in glasgow and belfast but he certainly didnt pimp me out or put me under pressure too work it actually helped me so much as i liturally didnt have a pennybut i was told he did pressure the foreign girls. Sometimes girls dont want the pressure to work for themselves as its so many overheads, Iv gota say i wouldnt work for anyone in ireland but in england you can make good money from the agencys on outcall xxxx
bigtime777
05-12-11, 08:25
stay well clear....had a serious situation by one escort , when i arrived she was not the escort in question merley 20 stone tessy... told her i was leaving then got assulted and then asked for cancellation monies!! was assulted again threw the money at her and left very quickly.....nightmare
EnglishAlex
06-12-11, 11:50
why what is wrong with working for somone from ireland?????
Drop the wooden spoon and take that big chip from your shoulder :p
Read Faiths post again. This time read what she actually wrote instead making up your own version.
She said she wouldn't work for someone IN Ireland.
Ebony Amber
06-12-11, 15:39
Drop the wooden spoon and take that big chip from your shoulder :p
Read Faiths post again. This time read what she actually wrote instead making up your own version.
She said she wouldn't work for someone IN Ireland.
What Alex said ^^^^
English Alex and ebony amber thanks for the support girls haha xxx
iloveapples
12-12-11, 12:34
i knew my little comment wud wind u girls up.oh by the way i love the 3 of u x
Have to say was in utter shock when this was announced on the news a good while back...Given that it's only in the next few streets from me. Always in the street every day and not once did I suspect it...eh?
whats all this about?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16514720
whats all this about?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16514720
Will be interesting to hear what happens when they visit these men. I for one feel if a person has even the slightest hunch the escort he is with is trafficked, he leave immediately and report it to the police.
That`s abig pain in the ass!
:)
*link removed by patricia*
That`s abig pain in the ass!:)
*link removed by patricia*
Disturbing contribution, Jumper xx
I'm sure you meant it as a joke, but around here 'human trafficking' is a serious topic,
and footage of even simulated rape could be very upsetting to some. Not cool.
What is the connotation, with banknote muzzling the vicitm ??
Think next time :)
Disturbing contribution, Jumper xx
I'm sure you meant it as a joke, but around here 'human trafficking' is a serious topic,
and footage of even simulated rape could be very upsetting to some. Not cool.
What is the connotation, with banknote muzzling the vicitm ??
Think next time :)
Totally agree with Stephanie. Link removed.
You are right and I`m terrible sorry!:( I hope did not upset anyone. I just love that movie.:)
Disturbing contribution, Jumper xx
I'm sure you meant it as a joke, but around here 'human trafficking' is a serious topic,
and footage of even simulated rape could be very upsetting to some. Not cool.
What is the connotation, with banknote muzzling the vicitm ??
Think next time :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17061842
im so confused about the law on prostitution in n ireland- based on this news item it seems to me that the only legal thing is ONE girl on her own and independent
what IS the definition of a brothel and isnt an legitimate agency somehow 'controlling' prostitution
I read in the sunday newspapers this weekend that escorting is not illegal
Must be a fine line on all this never mind the CLEAR issue on human trafficking
I find this site very useful for UK law http://sw5.info/law/
many thanks patricia
I read the guide on this site as it pertains to the law in Republic of Ireland and Ill study the link to uk law above
One thing in your guide puzzles me:
'In the case where phone calls are answered on behalf of a number of escorts, this may be considered part of running an Escort Agency which is illegal in Ireland.'
I have seen Agencies advertise on EI and indeed there is an option to select an agency girl in the review process- are the girls answering their own calls in effect(not ever having met an agency girl in the Republic of Ireland i dont know how it works)
having briefly looked at the reference to uk law above I see there is something of a contradiction :
'The Sexual Offences Act 2003 changed most sex work laws, and has since been changed further.
Working alone indoors, or for an agency or in a brothel
All remain legal. Provided the worker is at least 18, and has not been coerced or deceived into providing the service, buying sex from them is also legal.
'Pimping', running an agency or brothel
All remain illegal.'
The defence must be:
'Controlling another adult's prostitution is only illegal if you gain from it (or know that someone else does). Looked at another way, gaining from someone else's prostitution is now legal: it's the control for gain that's illegal, carrying a maximum penalty of seven years in prison.
Ie you can run an agency and you can gain but if you do not control the girls then its legal
QED
How can it be legal for a girl to work for an agency without it being legal to run an agency!!!
The UK & therefore the Northern Ireland law allows Escort agencies to operate. But as with all law there are conditions. A UK agency can charge an "introduction fee" for escort services but this does not include or imply any knowledge of sexual services. Anything beyond the "introduction" is a private arrangement between the girl & the client. If an agency takes any percentage of the "personal" fee from the escort then they have committed the offence of living off immoral earnings. So typically a client will pay an agency fee to the agency & then a separate fee to the girl.
Irish law seems to have problems with the "introductory" bit & considers an Escort Agency as illegal because it "controls" prostitution.
Thanks for clarifying that , it is sometimes so difficult to interpret the meaning in the dry legislation but your explanation of the distinctions is very clear and in effect reassuring for someone like myself who has used Uk agencies in the past
One obvious answer, that won't be adopted, would be to allow Escort Agencies but to regulate them. I ran an agency in the UK & we had an excellent relationship with the Police. We also ensured that the girls worked in as safe as possible environment.