View Full Version : Gardai start implimenting "zero tolerance " to kerb crawling!
rubberbootlvr
15-06-11, 12:29
As usual in our "great little country" the Fascist police force start implimenting unwritten legislation bushed on them by the religious bigots,now prading under the guise of "womens rights " groups Ruhma to start cracking down on the onstreet soliciting of sex.
Watch out guys!! The Gaurds have started putting plain clothes ban Gardai out in Dublin and will try it in Cork and Limerick as well to try and entrap punters[.How they expect to get any hits with this is odd as most Ban Gardai are so unattractive anyway!!!:D].BUT if you do approach or are approached by one of these girls.Ask them straight out "Are you a Ban Garda on an undercover operation and are you trying to entrap me?" If they deny it and it transpires that they were Ban Gardai,you can claim that this was an entrapment situation,and they encouraged you to commit a crime.If they admit it,ask to see a warrent card..If they state they havent got one.Go and find a uniformed Garda and ask them to arrest this person for impersonating a police officer..It is illegal for a police officer to be without ID when in plain clothes while on duty.
Reason I 'm posting this simply.I'm fed up of this whole situation of having prostitution illegal in this shithole of a country.Anywhere else in the Western world it is more or less legal,safe,sane and protected by law.Apart from places like Sweden,but who would want to live up in that place anyway??The most miserable country in the western world I've ever been in.Dark,depressing,and so over regulated.
Greatest pic of how it works and is tolerated,was in Sankt Pauli in Hamburg.If you ever go there there is the toughest police station in Germany right in the red light zone,and all the girls have a beat right outside its doors..Everyone is on talking terms,and the girls know that the cops are there to help them if things go wrong..Its not prefect either,but 100% better than here.
It is time to get a little bit militant and start pushing back to get this legalised.Surely if we are going to have a "two mile vegas "soon in Co Tipp,with our archaic gambling laws,shouldnt having legal call girls[and boys] be allowed too??After all gambling and women,and booze is all what a good time is all about.:D
I think if you ask them if they are a "ban garda" they can legaly say no. They have not been called ban gardai for a few years. They are just regular gardai now.
What rubberbootlvr says is correct make sure you ask if they are gard because entrapment is illegal in this country and the uk
Best thing thing to do is stop kerb crawling
You dont know what you are getting
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Is eliminating street prostitution not a great thing??????! at a loss to see how this is a bad thing!!
stopping independent girls from apartments is bad for us alright but clean up the streets!!
Ebony Amber
15-06-11, 17:44
Is eliminating street prostitution not a great thing??????! at a loss to see how this is a bad thing!!
stopping independent girls from apartments is bad for us alright but clean up the streets!!
I personally don't like the idea of street prostitution but by purely making it illegal isn't going to help. I'm at a loss of what to do but these ladies need to work somewhere
I personally don't like the idea of street prostitution but by purely making it illegal isn't going to help. I'm at a loss of what to do but these ladies need to work somewhere
Well off the street is better for them I would think!
Street prostitution is the worst of the worst!!
Ebony Amber
15-06-11, 17:48
Well off the street is better for them I would think!
Street prostitution is the worst of the worst!!
Yes I agree getting these ladies off the streets is a good idea. The street is not a nice place to work. However I was just saying I wish there was someway to help them earn in a safer way
Yes I agree getting these ladies off the streets is a good idea. The street is not a nice place to work. However I was just saying I wish there was someway to help them earn in a safer way
Well if the government done things correctly I would suggest this...
Make prostitution fully legal in an area of Dublin! Have a police station located there also... so it is safe for the working girls! The girls on the street could get jobs there, not just selling sex but also answering phones and taking appointments etc for other girls...
Centers could be set up in the area for girls who want to leave the industry also or offer up counseling etc for women who have been the victims of abuse... unfortunately this would still happen from time to time I'm sure...
Over all it puts people into jobs, weather its garda, escorts or people doing admin for them...
But thats clever thinking and god forbid a politician took a risk of loosing votes!!!
Ebony Amber
15-06-11, 17:54
Well if the government done things correctly I would suggest this...
Make prostitution fully legal in an area of Dublin! Have a police station located there also... so it is safe for the working girls! The girls on the street could get jobs there, not just selling sex but also answering phones and taking appointments etc for other girls...
Centers could be set up in the area for girls who want to leave the industry also or offer up counseling...
The government doing things correctly. LOL
The government doing things correctly. LOL
I know amber, sadly they care more about votes and staying in the hot seat rather than taking risks and helping working class like us!
I remember after the murders in IPSWICH the ladies working on the streets were given jobs in massage parlors, it cleaned up the streets and gave the girls somewhere safe to work from, its a shame parlors aren't over here because if they were allowed they could implement something similar over here
Is eliminating street prostitution not a great thing??????! at a loss to see how this is a bad thing!!
stopping independent girls from apartments is bad for us alright but clean up the streets!!
I personally don't like the idea of street prostitution but by purely making it illegal isn't going to help. I'm at a loss of what to do but these ladies need to work somewhere
Here's the link to the newspaper article http://www.examiner.ie/ireland/garda-strategy-focuses-on-men-soliciting-prostitutes-157738.html (Cortesy of Conrad de Montferrat)
Eliminating street prostitution may be good thing (although as Amber points put - not so good for the girls working the streets). It would be fine if the aim was to move prostitution/escorting indoors. However, I seriously doubt that this is the intention.
What concerns me is the trend /progression. This operation targeted clients and actually charged them. To add insult to injury, the fines they payed went to Ruhamma!!!! Also it was a sting operation with female garda specifically setting up a trap for potnetial punters.
As mentioned above, I'm not pushed that the Garda are tackling street prostitution, but I fear that this is just a first step to eliminate all forms of escorting. Of course the legislation will have to be changed but that is what Ruhamma and the TORL campaign have been pushing incessantly. And they have very strong political backing.
I wonder how long it will be before the Gardai start putting up fake ads on E-I to entrap potential clients?
They will never eliminate escorting in Ireland but will make it a lot harder for all of us. I will do what I've always done - stick to ladies with plenty of reviews and verified photos.
One good bit of news is that there aren't going to be any more new gardai over the next two years!! I hope common sense will prevail and that the gardai will concentrate their efforts on real crime. Now if only we can stop the lies being spread by Ruhamma/TORL!
No need to come to Limerick.No girls not even a dog on the streets now.
The ladies don't need to 'work somewhere', what they need is better choices and options and better government support to help not have to turn to prostitution in the first place. This is a good initiative. The women are being sent to support services and the men only are getting arrested. Usually it's the other way around. Also in Ruhama you can keep working and still get help/suport from them, so why shouldn't the fines go to them, Ruhama do great work for those that need their help, do you even know what they do besides the TORL? Just because they have set up the TORL doesn't mean that the normal work they do isn't great.
Any man who uses street prostitutes is gross in my book, the majority of the women (i doubt ANYONE would do it for fun) are in poverty, have kids to feed, are drug addicts, or are being pimped out, or are in an abusive relationship and their partner is making them do it.
rubberbootlvr
16-06-11, 14:40
Mioux,
I beg to differ on some cases here in Limerick,there were Rumanian girls staying in a top class hotel [By Limerick standards],where the room were knocking out at 150 euros per night.The girls were turning over about 650 euros per night on the street in Limerick.This al came out in a district court case about this where they were fined appx 150 euros each..
so sorry,I really cant buy in certain cases that these girls are poor ,starving innnocent little waifs who are being forced into this.
I'm not denying that there is a certain amount ofexplotation or forced prostitution ,Ireland Europe and world wide.But it is too broad a brush stroke to say ALL street hookers are exploited etc.
As morphus pointed out,well and good if it was to get the girls off the street,but it isnt..After all how many "brothels"[Aks crummy apartments] have been raided here,than girls been picked off the streets??
Also,would Ruhma care to explain WHY it has a remarkably large amount of religious personel in their organisation,whose predecessors were involved in running the Magdalene laundries??I suggest a google of this to see basically what sort of human rights abuse that hasnt been seen outside Stalinst Russias gulags went on in "holy catholic Ireland" in the 1920s up to the late 1980s!!Sort of like using ex SS personel to gaurd a synagouge if you ask me!
Just for a historical pointDublin in the 1920s had a bigger red light zone than London..It was called "the Monto" which was the area behind the GPO,Moore st area? Closed down by the religious bigots and Fascists that came in with DeVelaras Ireland.
We could have a brilliant tourist playground on par with Amsterdam,hadnt it been for religious intolerance here.
Also,could anyone explain to me, as abit of a thicko..How is this Swedish model supposed to work??It isnt illegal to be a prostitute,but illegal to procure the services of one??Sort of like saying you are a doctor,but you cant have any patients???
well done. you blasted my argument because of one high profile, very unusual case. I never said ALL were being exploited, i said most. Even EI says not to use street escorts.
It is to get the girls off the street; the men are arrested and women are sent to support services where they are given more options and choices.
Ruhama have no religious 'personell' anymore. They have no religious agenda, but you're of course going to believe whatever you want to believe to help you sleep at night.
Yes, predecessors. Ruhama and the magdalene laundries have nothing in common. Again, do you even know what Ruhama does apart from TORL? They are saving lives, but you probably wouldn't want to know about the good they do.
I know all about Monto. I was a prostitute, after all.
The swedish model reduces the demand (puts the onus on the buyer and relieves the seller of responsiblity) which has significantly reduced trafficking (unlike in Holland where it went up 100%), and it has halved street prostitution. No demand on the streets = no street prostitution
rubberbootlvr
17-06-11, 12:36
The swedish model reduces the demand (puts the onus on the buyer and relieves the seller of responsiblity) which has significantly reduced trafficking (unlike in Holland where it went up 100%), and it has halved street prostitution. No demand on the streets = no street prostitution
So in other words it is impossible to conduct a physical busisness transaction?? You call yourself a prostitute ,but you cant sell your services as it is illegal to buy them??? So you can call yourself then a brain surgeon in Sweden or a hitman,but because you cant actually produce the goods or services you have no way of accessing the payment.
Ruhama have no religious 'personell' anymore. They have no religious agenda, but you're of course going to believe whatever you want to believe to help you sleep at night.
I suggest my dear you have a look properly at this organisation and who is funding it that you support so enthaustically that is going to put your working colleuges out of busisness and make your eX profession even more dangerous and open to abuse.I sleep very well at night too thanks very much.
Yes, predecessors. Ruhama and the magdalene laundries have nothing in common. Again, do you even know what Ruhama does apart from TORL? They are saving lives, but you probably wouldn't want to know about the good they do.
Apart from meddling in peoples personel choice and lifestyles..After all why did you become a hooker?? Do tell us what good do they do???Maybe if they laid off being so judgemental on the lifestyle choice of some people they mightnt percived so negatively??
I know all about Monto. I was a prostitute, after all.
Good .Then you will know WHY it was closed down,WHO closed it down and the consequences for the women who worked there when they ended up in the states tender care.
well done. you blasted my argument because of one high profile, very unusual case. I never said ALL were being exploited, i said most. Even EI says not to use street escorts.
Yeah,I said that too,but I also said you are using a very broad brush to paint ALL in the same situation..But obviously you have more" experiance" of this lifestyle so I'll bow to your superior knowledge of this.You obviously missed the fact that it is not only street prostitutes that the gardai are going after it is those working indoors as well..
On a personal note ..Were you always so bitchy with your clients??
wow. you just called me a hooker. You just showed your absolutely disrespect.
Dear Mioux,
Everyone is entitled to her/his own opinion and express it on this forum. Which adds to the richness of this forum. However, it would make these discussions on the TOBL forum here much easier if you just stated you stance on the main issue.
Could you kindly tell us whether you support the change in legislation in Ireland to criminilize clients of escorts (as per the Swedish model)?
(From all your posts on this particular forum, it sounds to me that you are very much in favour of this legislation and therefore supportive of the TORL campaign. As mentioned above everyone is entitled to her/his own opinion, but it would prevent this back and forth arguments if you showed your cards up front)
I didn't respond to the previous poster due to his use of the word hooker.
In response to you, I'm totally torn to be honest. i can see the pros and cons of both sides, this is why I'm fence sitting.
However in relation to on street prostitution, from my experience, i think it needs to go and better choices given to the women who turn to it.
I didn't respond to the previous poster due to his use of the word hooker.
In response to you, I'm totally torn to be honest. i can see the pros and cons of both sides, this is why I'm fence sitting.
However in relation to on street prostitution, from my experience, i think it needs to go and better choices given to the women who turn to it.
Thank you for being honest Mioux. I have always sensed a certain hostility and /or disdain from you towards male client posters on this site. I fully appreciate that escorting is not an easy profession and brings a lady into contact with the best and the worst this world has to offer. (The best being the money and the worst being horrible clients, police, public predjudice etc.) I can only imagine that your experiences have coloured your opinion of clients and men in general. Which is how any of us form opinions and views anyway.
Therefore even though I don't agree with your stance on some of these issues, I respect your views as I have no doubt that they are born out of previous experiences (some of which I'm sure were not pretty).
I will always view the world and the industry from a man's and client's pespective - because that is what I am. Hence even at the best of times I fear that we will never see eye to eye. So I hope you will forgive my predjudice against Ruhamma and the TORL campaign - because whatever 'good' they may be doing, they will certainly end my involvement with escorts, if they are successful in their campaign. And seeing escorts is the major joy in my life (sad as that may sound to you).
I agree with you that street escorting is very dangerous for the women involved. (of course some argue that that any form of escorting is too dangerous). As for other options - I'm not sure if Ruhamma or any other organisations provide this. Essentially the said ladies need money. I'm not sure who is going pay them or where the money will come form to take them off the streets? I suspect that some (if not many) involved in street escorting, may be fuelling their drug habits. So unless the addiction is addressed first, it's pointless taking them off the streets (or stopping their clients - who are the source of their income). I have read/seen certain organisations that work with street escorts (in other coutries) that try to help them by providing a safer, cleaner place to work and healthcare for them (rather than preventing them from working by criminalizing their clients). It is the dark side of escorting but I'm not sure that there are easy solutions.
Apologies for the long ramble. Thank you again for your honesty. As mentioned above, I believe that everyone is entitled to their views and therefore, I respect yours. And hope that we can agree to disagree amicably.
It's so refreshing when people don't immediately read bitchiness in what is just various points being pointed out, or take it personally and get overly defensive. It's so nice also when people don't assume they know you or how you feel about anything because you used to be an escort. Its also so nice when an opinion from someone who has worked a long long time in the industry is actually respected, even if it isn't saying what you want to hear.
Thanks Morpheus.
It's so refreshing when people don't immediately read bitchiness in what is just various points being pointed out, or take it personally and get overly defensive. It's so nice also when people don't assume they know you or how you feel about anything because you used to be an escort. Its also so nice when an opinion from someone who has worked a long long time in the industry is actually respected, even if it isn't saying what you want to hear.
Thanks Morpheus.
It is very much the fact that were a former escort that lends credence and substance to your opinions/views. I would be quite confrontational if I heard those views from others but pay attention when its coming from a former escort.
I believe I am a good client. I am punctual, and always clean and always polite. I pay up front and never haggle. (There are some ladies that I see regularly, who have dropped their hourly rates. I pay them what I always did prior to their new rates, because I believe it shows appreciation). I am also extremely grateful to the ladies who've seen me and continue to do so, for all they give me (sexual pleasure, intimacy, fun and laughs, massaging my delicate male ego etc..)
I also believe that all the ladies I have seen are doing it of their own free will . (Granted no girl grows up dreaming of being an escort, but life doesn't always turn out the way we all imagine it should). And while it is a hard job, the hourly rate is good money - at least for the more established ladies (in comparison to other more mundane jobs).
The TORL campaign and Ruhamma have a zero tolerance policy to escorting. They claim that no woman in her right mind can choose to be an escort. They say that people like me are abusers and criminals and sex offenders. Which is a hard pill to swallow. So it is very hard for me to see any sense in their actions, even though I am against women being forced or trafficked into escorting.
But while I have no time for them, I am certainly interested in the opinions of escorts (present or former) - as there is some teeth to what you all have to say, in my book anyway.:)
gentelmandave
17-06-11, 20:45
Why isnt it made legal to see an escort, get rid off the pimps and let the girls that want to do it have the support off others and not feel isolated like a lot off girls do now? let the escorts control who they see not the pimp
Why isnt it made legal to see an escort, get rid off the pimps and let the girls that want to do it have the support off others and not feel isolated like a lot off girls do now? let the escorts control who they see not the pimp
I totally agree Dave. And I think the majority of posters on this site will favour complete legalisation of escorting both for providers and users.
However, I do think that legalisation should come along with regulation and policing to ensure that organised criminals don't try to take control. (Of course criminalizing escorts and clients will only ensure that the industry is driven deeper underground into the control of organized criminals.)
Unfortunately I think Ireland is still too conservative and ill-informed to hope for legalisation at present. I just hope that the TORL campaign don't succeed in making it completely illegal.
I would be happy to stick to the current state of the law as a compromise. The one thing I hope would change immediately would be the definiton of a brothel. I would hope that they would relax this so that a miminum of two girls can work together legally without fear of eviction or prosecution (for their own safety). However, E-I wrote to TD's about this a couple of years ago and got no response whatsoever. The proposal was heavily opposed and critisized by the TORL campaign.
gentelmandave
17-06-11, 22:07
I think its crazy two girls cant work together, a brothel?? thats a joke. The problem is the pimps, i say give the power to escorts, let them work together,vett customers, and stop all the abuse. i know its not that simple but the more people know and talk about it the better
rubberbootlvr
17-06-11, 23:24
[It's so refreshing when people don't immediately read bitchiness in what is just various points being pointed out, or take it personally and get overly defensive. [[/QUOTE
]And even more so if somone makes a counter point to an arguement and arent immediately jumped on and patronised and talked down to!
[QUOTE]Its also so nice when an opinion from someone who has worked a long long time in the industry is actually respected, even if it isn't saying what you want to hear.
Well you dont earn "respect" by outrightly attacking somone for having a differing view.It immediately gives the impression that you are unable or so set in your opinated way that no other view is acceptable.Your view or no view.Being an expert in any field gives you no right to go and attack somone outright and then claim they are being" overly defensive" or taking it personally.
Then if a normal street word for your job insults you and you take your ball and go home,isnt that a bit childish??I've been called plenty of sht names to my face for my job,and you know what??Doesnt matter abit!So if you dont want to respond fine..
Now that besides.. I have used many call girls,prostitutes,hookers,[or whatever the PC term is],by myself and with my girlfriend and quite frankly we have never come across one girl be it in Ireland,Germany or Holland that sounded or looked or acted like she wasnt there willingly of her own free will.This is the gamut from brothel girls to high class S&M dominas with their own stable of "sluts" to be used by their clients.It's intresting that when you have your girlfriend with you,the "girltalk",and if there is one thing that a woman will pick up on is another woman in distress or having a problem.Any of them we asked as to why they were doing this was simply the money was too good. Off the top of my head, I remember two legal secetaries,a accountant,a college Co ed studying molecuar science and putting herself thru college by working in a brothel in Munich ditto for two lap dancers in the US doing the same,and one girl working as a sexslave/slut to a dominatrix in Hamburg who had a hubby and family but just enjoyed kinky sex alot and the money was a nice side line for paying for the family holiday villa in the Alps.
Thats my own personal experiance,and I'm not claiming it is 100% like that in all cases,but all I can comment on is what I've experianced.
ONE thing they did all say was they wanted better protection In law..Literally from BOTH sides of the law.The cops betimes are worse than the pimps and johns.Stories abound of the vice squad"bad lieutanants" getting freebies for the police precint in brothels,under the threat of being raided and harrassed out of busisness.Or worse the police being in the pay of the pimps and gangs and actually turning a blind eye to whatever complaints from the girls ..
Thats my personal experiance with escorts.All of them I've found to be pleasent,intresting,and welcome company with some amazing stories in their lives.wether true or not ,irrevelant.anything we did was a both party between adult willing transaction.
Not to mind providing a very useful service to humanity.If it isnt for the working girl out there.I do belive we would have more rapes ,sex murders,and child sex abuse.They are a saftey valve for society and should be rightly commended for this rather no doubt unpleasent job too.But then again somone has to go down the sewers and clean them,others have to haul garbage,others have to arrest and detain the worst scum of society.All are looked down on as unworthy.
All in all it seems we have replaced one extremist intolerant bunch of religious hyprocrites in power,with potentially just as much extremist views and intolerance of the trade ,under the new exremeist religions of political correctness and feminism in Ireland.
C'est plus ce'la change.
You don't call escorts hookers. It's one degree below calling them a whore. This is why I'm no longer interacting with you.
Is there any need for ladies to work the streets anymore? With the use of mobile phones, all they need is a way of advertising their number, then they can sell their time and companionship. The big prob is stupid punters hasseling non sexworkers in red light areas. In recent years I've only picked up one street girl, even then I approached her on the street and got her phone number, then aranged an appointment outside the area. For working girls to be left alone by the law they need to work descretely. If members of the public complain, Gardai have to respond.
I would like to see the situation where 2 girls could work together, but unless they are very careful, 2 or more girls working together will generate a noticable client stream, especially in residential areas, that combined with humping noises will lead to complaints from the public.
I know this post doesn 't address organised nutcase organisations but these organisations would loose some of their financial support if the public had less to complain about.
Malahideguy
18-06-11, 10:18
While the act of solicitation, prostitution and brothel keeping remains illegal this debate will always be present.
While on the one hand it is good to see the gardai being proactive in tackling street prostitution, "every action has an equal and opposite reaction" in that it will no doubt, while the demand exists, push it further underground which unfortunately has negative consequences for the girls and punters, thus swelling any campaign against this line of work/recreation that it is sordid, dangerous and against the better good.
I think some previous posts have debated this topic very well but what I am finding it hard to understand is how any organisation such as ruhamma can offer the girls a sustainable alternative, or choice as it has been previously described. The reasons for street prostitution are lengthy and well known and the traps once in the scene for the girls are just as numerous..... However these are powerful vices/traps and difficult to "walk" away from....
If ruhamma or any other organisation is that concerned with the welfare of the girls then targeting the punter "to remove the demand and no demand no service needed", will NEVER work and will NEVER eliminate street work. So it will NEVER fulfil it's mandate.
To provide a safe environment of good welfare and choice for the girls, while at the same time providing protection for the punter, brothels MUST be legalised and regulated.
By doing so, safe systems of work which can be reviewed, adapted and improved will exist which means that the "standard of life" will only ever improve. By legalising and becoming Legitimate businesses, the girls can work safely in conjunction with the law, improving relations with each other thus building trust, the girls can work in a healthier clean environment, receiving regular check ups, tests and even compensated treatments if required, and thirdly the government can take a revenue in the form of normal business taxes.
For the punter it also means, enjoying the experience, in confidence that it is as safe as can be.
This as we all know is ideal, but can be achieved with proactive intelligent thinking, sadly something that lacks in our policy makers.
But to play devils advocate, by carrying out legalisation of brothels, it can have negative consequences for the independent girl..... So no doubt another debate would ensue there.... ;-)
rubberbootlvr
18-06-11, 12:45
You don't call escorts hookers. It's one degree below calling them a whore. This is why I'm no longer interacting with you.
Awwww..I'm sooo upset!!
prostitution is largely a service which a man buys from a woman.
this fact alone reveals which gender holds the power in typical sexual relations.
a female can get laid far quicker than a male because that is the way
sex is stuctured throughout natural society. females exploit this fact in their
dealings with males, which is of course their right.
i percieve all attempts to abolish prostitution as primarily anti-male.
I think people forget that prostitution was around before any other job in the world so trying to abolish it will not happen no matter hard people try.
I certainly don't agree with us ladies being criminalized for what we do , nor do i think the clients should be either. We provide a service that will be wanted up till the end of time. So if this argument is going to go on till then it will never end lol. I think there should be another way of looking at this and saying right, its the pimps who need to be criminalized.......... There must be some way to find this out, i mean when i look at the website i can normally guess in each town who the agency girls are and who aren't. Wouldn't the police and organizations be better off keeping an eye on these than genuine independents.
never one kerb crawling, would be shitting it
Mioux,
I beg to differ on some cases here in Limerick,there were Rumanian girls staying in a top class hotel [By Limerick standards],where the room were knocking out at 150 euros per night.The girls were turning over about 650 euros per night on the street in Limerick.This al came out in a district court case about this where they were fined appx 150 euros each..
so sorry,I really cant buy in certain cases that these girls are poor ,starving innnocent little waifs who are being forced into this.
I'm not denying that there is a certain amount ofexplotation or forced prostitution ,Ireland Europe and world wide.But it is too broad a brush stroke to say ALL street hookers are exploited etc.
You are kidding yourself. I have a friend who is a support worker who works mainly with street girls. She could tell you different!
rubberbootlvr
04-09-11, 19:31
Yes..amazing how many people have "friends" who claim to be this ,that ,and the other to back up their points of view or opinion.:rolleyes:.Im sure other people could have friends who work as street girls who would say the exact opposite.
Amazing also how some people here jump on somone with a differing opinion on the subject.Not to mind some little bit of factual info...I wonder has this board aready been infiltrated by people who want to see escort services banned totally in Ireland,who are claiming to be ex escort girls or whatever
One to keep in mind ,on some posters attitudes and replies.You can claim to be anything on the interweb.PROOF is always a different matter.
Yes..amazing how many people have "friends" who claim to be this ,that ,and the other to back up their points of view or opinion.:rolleyes:.Im sure other people could have friends who work as street girls who would say the exact opposite.
Amazing also how some people here jump on somone with a differing opinion on the subject.Not to mind some little bit of factual info...I wonder has this board aready been infiltrated by people who want to see escort services banned totally in Ireland,who are claiming to be ex escort girls or whatever
One to keep in mind ,on some posters attitudes and replies.You can claim to be anything on the interweb.PROOF is always a different matter.
She is a social worker who took the post as the outreach worker for Genesis in Leeds. Look them up and give her a call if PROOF is important to you. Maybe she will fill you in. More likely she will tell you to fuck off.
rubberbootlvr
04-09-11, 23:30
Yeah,Uk Heather..Of course she will..Your point being???Yeah,somone you know worked on somthing in Leeds,but with no name its hardly follow up and provable is it?????Name and addy[Even by PM] so I could actually do it is hardly going to be forthcoming is it???
BTW why is everyone so crabby about somthing that is easily checked out as a true story.Yet only can respond with heresay and abuse???
Yeah,Uk Heather..Of course she will..Your point being???Yeah,somone you know worked on somthing in Leeds,but with no name its hardly follow up and provable is it?????Name and addy[Even by PM] so I could actually do it is hardly going to be forthcoming is it???
BTW why is everyone so crabby about somthing that is easily checked out as a true story.Yet only can respond with heresay and abuse???
Here is the contact details for them
http://www.genesisleeds.org.uk/contact_us_unid0c01_page.aspx
You could drop them a line and tell them your theory. Ask them for a few horror stories such as the one about the pregnant girl in a dirty dark unheated flat that was being visited by men paying her for sex.
The fact is that the majority of young women, often underrage, working on the streets were targetted. The pimp takes the vulnerable girl as a girlfriend, gets her started on drugs, gets her to fuck his mates (she will if she loves him) next thing she is on the streets to keep him and to pay for her drugs.
rubberbootlvr
05-09-11, 12:51
And that happens 100% in each and EVERY case worldwide????No questions at all???
And it is NOT my theory Heather...It is a proven court case here in Ireland in a local district court.
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local/prostitutes_fined_100_for_loitering_on_catherine_street_in_limerick_city_1_21931 59
http://www.live95fm.ie/news/news-item/3-romanians-convicted-of-prostitution-at-limerick-district-court-/62da42e6-5dc3-4f40-8162-659ef27d65ce
Now, sorry if that gores your sacred ox.And I agree with you that there certainly horror stories in these cases,as there have been murders in private off street brothels here as well.But my ultimate point is as we are talking here on escort ireland about ireland and not the UK or elsewhere.Is that simply the Gaurds dont make a difference between a girl or girls working in a flat or on the street.They simply hit everyone,and if people want to continue working here as escorts or for punters to use them it wont work saying all street prostitution must go and that it will be all grand if it is behind closed doors off the street.
It wont!!There will be more abuse then as there is now very little way of controlling that as well.Then you will have TORL demanding the off street brothels are closed down...What then???You are out of a job,and I and many others are fustrated and goto an EU country where it is legal.
The only way is to push for it to be legalised and properly controlled,irresepective if it is on street or in a high class cat house ,in which it becomes a taxable income job that is quasi accepted by society.Banning things only makes them more desireable and more profitable for criminals to get involved in.
Simples really.
And that happens 100% in each and EVERY case worldwide????No questions at all???
And it is NOT my theory Heather...It is a proven court case here in Ireland in a local district court.
http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local/prostitutes_fined_100_for_loitering_on_catherine_street_in_limerick_city_1_21931 59
http://www.live95fm.ie/news/news-item/3-romanians-convicted-of-prostitution-at-limerick-district-court-/62da42e6-5dc3-4f40-8162-659ef27d65ce
Now, sorry if that gores your sacred ox.And I agree with you that there certainly horror stories in these cases,as there have been murders in private off street brothels here as well.But my ultimate point is as we are talking here on escort ireland about ireland and not the UK or elsewhere.Is that simply the Gaurds dont make a difference between a girl or girls working in a flat or on the street.They simply hit everyone,and if people want to continue working here as escorts or for punters to use them it wont work saying all street prostitution must go and that it will be all grand if it is behind closed doors off the street.
It wont!!There will be more abuse then as there is now very little way of controlling that as well.Then you will have TORL demanding the off street brothels are closed down...What then???You are out of a job,and I and many others are fustrated and goto an EU country where it is legal.
The only way is to push for it to be legalised and properly controlled,irresepective if it is on street or in a high class cat house ,in which it becomes a taxable income job that is quasi accepted by society.Banning things only makes them more desireable and more profitable for criminals to get involved in.
Simples really.
I did not say 100% and I will not get into a tit-for-tat with you.
My point is, that if you think women working as street prostitutes are not doing so out of desperation then you clearly have your head buried deep in the sand... or somewhere.
alterego31
28-10-11, 08:17
I dont like the idea of street girls unless its an out of the way non residential area. Sure people have a reasonable right for a bit of fun but not on some poor family's doorstep. The online system is the way to go. That should be left alone.
rubberlover
28-10-11, 12:03
Maybe I am wrong, but I have always felt that "Street Workers" in the main are more controlled and exposed to violence by pimps etc. I know there have been cases of brothels been operated in apartments/houses, but again it is more difficult to do and as such is a safer option for all concerned.
rubberbootlvr
02-11-11, 20:37
I did not say 100% and I will not get into a tit-for-tat with you.
My point is, that if you think women working as street prostitutes are not doing so out of desperation then you clearly have your head buried deep in the sand... or somewhere.
MEEEOW !!!
Jeeze another ex with an attitude!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes: Intresting the way two girls now get immediately abusive and insulting if somone presents them with some checkable facts and it doesnt suit their world view of things..
Or dont want to talk about it or wont interact...Fine then.
Well,just as well you quit then Heather,who'd want to "pay and ride" with somone with your pleasent disposition???
Did you and "Mue" do a duo as humiliation dominatrixes??As you both seem to have the same attitude! Are you sure you are actually working in the escort busisness and not in opposition to it???As you seem to have a major problem with anything that dissents from the view that ALL street girls are oppressed enslaved little innocent waifs.
And if you want to be abusive or a smart arse ,as you seem to want to be.Expect the same back!!
Sorry I make it a habit of questioning everything I see or read ,especially from pressure groups be they pro or anti an agenda.
So may I suggest you remove your own head from "somwhere else" and try and make a point tha isnt couched insulting or deogoratory manner????
@Alterego
Great idea the non residential area..Were it properly policed and the Irish had abit more cop on and maturity to this problem.Which we dont..Germany generally has moved all their brothels and street scene outside to industrial zones away from residential areas.However seeing that it is a taxable job,with proper regulation,and policing on both health and law enforcement to 90% efficency.I cant see this happening in holy catholic politically correct Ireland.
It's ironic how the gardai have turned gamekeeper! When I first came to Dublin there were brothels everywhere, disguised as Massage Parlours - and the best customers were gardai. I feel really sorry for the streetwalkers though - most of them are drug addicts who need to work go get money for their fix. And it's typical of ********** and Ruhama who are only interested in getting these girls off the street, but don't give a damn about their welfare. The street girls just can't afford to rent fancy apartments to work from.
iloveapples
02-12-11, 10:05
It's ironic how the gardai have turned gamekeeper! When I first came to Dublin there were brothels everywhere, disguised as Massage Parlours - and the best customers were gardai. I feel really sorry for the streetwalkers though - most of them are drug addicts who need to work go get money for their fix. And it's typical of ********** and Ruhama who are only interested in getting these girls off the street, but don't give a damn about their welfare. The street girls just can't afford to rent fancy apartments to work from.
well i was parked in (limerick) and a street girl,looked romanian was with her friend and she came up,made a fuck me gesture.i put down the window and asked how much for a blowjob.she said "how much do u have".i said again how much for a blowjob and she said €70.i said no 2 dear.she said €60.i said gno,she walked away.am i wrong but are street girls now charging nearly more than girls in their rooms????.if so i think they will be staying in the streets