View Full Version : Let's Stop Pretending that Irish is Alive and Well...
... and read Kevin Myers' take on it, in today's Indo.
Feel free to debate, if you are able.
Kevin Myers: Let's debunk the myth of Irish as a living language, it now represents failure and a national disorder - Kevin Myers, Columnists - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-lets-debunk-the-myth-of-irish-as-a-living-language-it-now-represents-failure-and-a-national-disorder-2551804.html)
its alive and well in maybe 5-10 areas of the country and possibly 5% of the population are fluent, i wdnt say as a whole it is in healthy state wud you?
Ní féidir liom a thuiscint.
69patrick69
23-02-11, 19:57
... and read Kevin Myers' take on it, in today's Indo.
Feel free to debate, if you are able.
Kevin Myers: Let's debunk the myth of Irish as a living language, it now represents failure and a national disorder - Kevin Myers, Columnists - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-lets-debunk-the-myth-of-irish-as-a-living-language-it-now-represents-failure-and-a-national-disorder-2551804.html)
Nách raibh tú abálta an chéist a chuir i nGaeilge ?
I know nobody who speaks or has any interest in teh Gaeilge. Its cool if ppl wanna speak it, but I'm not buying this whole "alive and well" thing.
69patrick69
23-02-11, 20:19
I know nobody who speaks or has any interest in teh Gaeilge. Its cool if ppl wanna speak it, but I'm not buying this whole "alive and well" thing.
it is alive an well in certain areas of the country.
but in the country as a whole no
Tá sé béo béitheach in ceantracha eigsuala dén tír
ach ín sán tír már iomlán níl
it is alive an well in certain areas of the country.
but in the country as a whole no
Tá sé béo béitheach in ceantracha eigsuala dén tír
ach ín sán tír már iomlán níl
I agree with part 1.
Part 2, I'll take your word for it.:D
I don't honestly remember the last time I heard someone speak Irish to communicate, as opposed to speaking Irish simply to speak Irish. It's been years, certainly. Maybe that's because I live in Dublin, but I doubt it is very different in most of the country.
Lucy Chambers
23-02-11, 21:05
I think the only time Irish is spoken is when they realise the is an english person in their midst :)
I mean, on a serious note, any one found a use for latin or ancient greek yet?
:D
I think the only time Irish is spoken is when they realise the is an english person in their midst :)
I mean, on a serious note, any one found a use for latin or ancient greek yet?
:D
I think it's the same deal with Welsh.
I hear the odd one hear and there speaking it up in galway but sadly it is a dying language...i think as a whole english will become the dominant language worldwide and many other languages will go the same way as irish seems to be going...
Well to be honest I can see Kevin Myers pov and Mousey's .As someone thats fluent in irish (i grew up in a gaelteacht) and really struggles to type it, I just think it would be a shame if it died .We have lost so many parts of our heritage lately . Now the usefullness of it is questionable but I dont see why any student should get away with the torture of sitting through "peig"
ps I delighted to see Poc an bhuile post was deleted
I think the only time Irish is spoken is when they realise the is an english person in their midst :)
I mean, on a serious note, any one found a use for latin or ancient greek yet?
:D
Well if the Irish had colonised,raped and pillaged to the same extent as the Empire perhaps they would be no need for english to be spoken worldwide . LOL
corkpunter
24-02-11, 02:06
I think the only time Irish is spoken is when they realise the is an english person in their midst :)
I mean, on a serious note, any one found a use for latin or ancient greek yet?
:D
Huh? Please elaborate on your second sentence. Are you saying that noone is speaking latin and ancient greek today or that there has never been any use for latin and ancient greek or nothing has ever evolved from those languages?
Franken996
24-02-11, 03:39
While I'm a fan of Mr.Myarse(sic) he can be just a bit too pragmatic at times. I can't speak Irish fluently despite going through the whole school system in scary Eire & he right that the attempt to restore the language is an abject failure- but the bigger question is why.. Remember hearing an analogy that being taught gaeilge was akin to having 500 quid shoved up your arse...two pence at a time?! Unfortunately it's true for many students. But here's the thing- what makes (broader) Irish culture unique- it's a plethora of elements, IMHO one of which is our Celtic tongue- it's more than subtle influence is reflected on the cadence & synthax of hiberno- English....so even if you don't have so much as le coupla focal
- it's built into the DNA of Irish communication. Whatever about KM's (no doubt valid) assertions about households in the Gaeltacht making a few bob it's deeply ironic that he uses the phrase 'soupkitchen' in the context of this discussion - I'm not going to go on a xenophobic rant- but to know yourself is to know your history Kevin- they probably didn't teach you about that specific episode in that grammar school in the English midlands!
Speaking of which- as I write this from my leaba here in the land of the free, few years back i read an I.Times piece that asked- Q: what's the difference between Canada & the USA- A: " the fact that the Canadians think there is one." For an Irishman abroad who's regularly confused for a Brit , I've found myself trying to explain that I'm from a country that shares much in common with the UK but ultimately I come from a unique culture- part of which is the Irish language.....as a nation we're a bit too fond of defining ourselves by what we're not, perhaps we should embrace more what we are....
It saddens me to think that Irish us dying out & its clear that in tough economic times Gaelige is a soft target for some political parties... But I think KM may be well advised to actually slowly read the definition if the word shibboleth* before casting it as a degrogatory term!!
* yet another ironic observation for KM- shibboleth is Hebrew in origin- if Dev & the founders did half as good as job as the Israelis in resurrecting our mother tongue- this discussion would be moot.
Lucy Chambers
24-02-11, 12:39
Huh? Please elaborate on your second sentence. Are you saying that noone is speaking latin and ancient greek today or that there has never been any use for latin and ancient greek or nothing has ever evolved from those languages?
I am saying that Latin and Ancient Greek are still taught extensively, despite the fact they are dead languages. I doubt it would be wise to say that they never had any use, nor that the works of Herotodus et al were useless. Elaborate enough for you?
Lucy Chambers
24-02-11, 12:41
Well if the Irish had colonised,raped and pillaged to the same extent as the Empire perhaps they would be no need for english to be spoken worldwide . LOL
Touche. I seem to remember our soup was useful :)
We dont speak Portuguese as a second language but they seem pretty hot on the old colonisation thing. Nor Dutch. Hmmm.
We should be glad we all speak English. Apparently it's quite a difficult language to learn. It's also one of the most widely used languages in the world.
.... one of the benefits of being a conquered people, perhaps?
and have as gaeilge as the universal tongue....ho ho ho...cupla f.-all
ChiefHandker
24-02-11, 17:55
Mousey's right, Gaeilge is long gone the way of the dodo. The figures we hear of how widespread Irish is are exaggerated so it's even less than ye think.
I have no problem with Gaeilge, but at this stage it's like a mantle ornament or antique - nice to have but serves no real purpose.
It certainly shouldn't be compulsory in schools anymore. In the leaving cert student have 7 subjects - English, Maths, European language, 3 choices (selected from Geography, History, Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Other language, Business, Economics, Accountancy, Art, Home Ec) and then IRISH!. It's feckin ridiculous that a kid would have to take a dead language and then decide which one to drop between say biology or physics.
I've only ever found ONE use for Irish and that's in foreign countries with friends when we think a cab driver is ripping us off or some such scenario :p
Huh? Please elaborate on your second sentence. Are you saying that noone is speaking latin and ancient greek today or that there has never been any use for latin and ancient greek or nothing has ever evolved from those languages?
I was made to learn Latin at school, (does come in handy with biological classification !). English is only a real melting pot of all sorts of languages, Greek, Latin, Norse etc. and your right the English, Dutch, Spanish were good at forcing their own language on the 'natives'. If I had suggested learning Mandarin when I was at school I would have been laughed at,(or worse) yet that may well be the most spoken language. I,ve hardly heard Irish spoken in the ten years I've been here. There was a programme on TG4, in which, I think it was Manchan Magan went round Ireland only speaking Irish, he met very few people who could hold a conversation with him
corkpunter
25-02-11, 18:37
I am saying that Latin and Ancient Greek are still taught extensively, despite the fact they are dead languages. I doubt it would be wise to say that they never had any use, nor that the works of Herotodus et al were useless. Elaborate enough for you?
Thanks, never heard about ancient Greek being taught extensively, only as a specialist subject on certain universities, so can't comment on that, however I disagree that there is no use for learning Latin, atleast written latin, since it really is one of the better languages to be taught if you want to better learn and understand grammar rules for most European languages.
dark-knight
26-02-11, 00:16
Languages die its completely natural and its not right to try to save them by pumping money into them. Its evolution, survival of the fittest so if a language is dieing let it go. The language may die but the words should not be forgotten.
Irish is the original language of Ireland.
Actually, no. But there is little trace of what people spoke before.
wanted the best 69
05-03-11, 13:14
I am saying that Latin and Ancient Greek are still taught extensively, despite the fact they are dead languages. I doubt it would be wise to say that they never had any use, nor that the works of Herotodus et al were useless. Elaborate enough for you?
lucy latin, is use in medicine, and botany, both living subjects
Buachaillbeag
31-03-11, 23:10
bhí mé ag féachaint ar tg4 agus bhí a lán daoine ag caint gaeilge - enda kenny alan dukes bernard dunne colm meaney joe higgins. Níl an teanga imithe
I think it's the same deal with Welsh.
I think you would here a lot more Welsh people speak Welsh than you do Irish people speak Irish... I speak Irish sometimes at home and that is only to say close the door or do you want sugar, Lot of good my Irish classes done for me..
Take another 100 years and more higher profile languages will be where irish is now.The dominant languages of the future will be spanish and english....
ladiesman217
04-04-11, 22:40
Take another 100 years and more higher profile languages will be where irish is now.The dominant languages of the future will be spanish and english....
And Chinese if they keep at it like rabbits...
corkpunter
04-04-11, 23:34
Take another 100 years and more higher profile languages will be where irish is now.The dominant languages of the future will be spanish and english....
Mandarin, Hindi and Arabic would be my guess. Ofcourse English and Spanish will still be very important, I just think those 3 will have a much higher profile in 100 years.
Jaisus ppl stop the irish bashing
70 % of the girls advertising on this speak a language none of you understand anyway so what is the deal with picking on a few ppl that want to keep a language alive ..and alive it is.
Just waiting for a profile of "Peg" and the first review in Irish (and comment from the provider in the same language)
'Ní thagann caoill roimh aois' agus cheapaimse go bfhuil sibh ar nós na leanaí a tá ag freasatail ag an naoínra chéana is a bfhuil mo hiníon, níl sí ceithre blian fós. Úsaidim a mo theanga fhéin sa bhaile agus nuair a bhímse ag obair gach lá. Tá seans mhaith go bfhuil an teanga caillte ag an an cuid is mó dhíbhse ach tá sí go breo bríomhar, gan amhras, in iarthar na hÉirinn.
Kevin Myers represents a national disorder.
Yak,Yak,Yak, Yakkity,Yak.
Go mbeidh tu beo an blian seo chugainn i mbarr do shlainte a Chaoimhin.
funlover12
22-11-14, 03:25
Kevin Myers represents a national disorder.
Yak,Yak,Yak, Yakkity,Yak.
Go mbeidh tu beo an blian seo chugainn i mbarr do shlainte a Chaoimhin.
feach ar an data sna thread
sin eh tri bhlian!
Professors of Lain and ancient Greek,Linguists,taxonomists,anatomists, etc
Welsh is a living language even more so than Irish.
Cymru.
feach ar an data sna thread
sin eh tri bhlian!
Nothing wrong with a bit of historical research! Or should I say stair is taighde.
Mar a deireann Ronán O Snódaigh:
Óro, leanfaidh mé ar aghaidh,
Tuisc ge bhfuil mé fós beo,
Leanfaidh mé ar agaidh
Fiú má cothaítear fadhb.
Kevin Mayers? Bodaicín gan aon agó!
The Libertarian
24-11-14, 19:58
Mandarin, Hindi and Arabic would be my guess. Ofcourse English and Spanish will still be very important, I just think those 3 will have a much higher profile in 100 years.
I wouldn't discount Russian either, if it's population size stabilises! Mind You despite, the prominence of the Japanese economically since the 1950s, Japanese never became a hugely significant world language, also it's probably the hardest to learn of all the languages mentioned
The Libertarian
24-11-14, 20:01
... and read Kevin Myers' take on it, in today's Indo.
Feel free to debate, if you are able.
Kevin Myers: Let's debunk the myth of Irish as a living language, it now represents failure and a national disorder - Kevin Myers, Columnists - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/kevin-myers-lets-debunk-the-myth-of-irish-as-a-living-language-it-now-represents-failure-and-a-national-disorder-2551804.html)
Myers is like a pseudo intellectual ED (Eamon Dunphy) and Dunphy is an enfant terrible of sorts to thick to be even a pseudo intellectual!:D
The Libertarian
24-11-14, 20:06
Ta se soleir i nGaillimh go bhfuil nios mo daoine ag caint an Teanga Naisuinta i ngach ait anois i gcuparoid le coupla blian o shin!
Sorry about the misspellings and how do you do a fada?
It is the way that the language is taught in schools is the problem. Making the language more relevant to todays life would make it easier for people to understand, learn and maybe use more often.
People developed a hatred of the language because of peig and sometimes the teachers they had didnt show the love of the language. I had a teacher in primary school who love the language and that passion transferred to me even to this day.
Another major issue is that those that want to speak the language have in most cases nobody else to speak with. In this situation the longer this happens the more and more you lose the ability to be able to have a conversation in the language. You are just left with the cupla focail.
It is the way that the language is taught in schools is the problem. Making the language more relevant to todays life would make it easier for people to understand, learn and maybe use more often.
People developed a hatred of the language because of peig and sometimes the teachers they had didnt show the love of the language. I had a teacher in primary school who love the language and that passion transferred to me even to this day.
Another major issue is that those that want to speak the language have in most cases nobody else to speak with. In this situation the longer this happens the more and more you lose the ability to be able to have a conversation in the language. You are just left with the cupla focail.
I discovered a while ago,people in their twenties have no knowledge of Peig.
I'll now,bhain usaid as mo chuid Gaeilge "liofa lofa".
Mo leithsceil dos na Gaeilgoiri.
Ta se soileir dom go bhfuil daoine ina a bhifichidi gan eolas ar bith faoi Pheig.
Tabhar Peig duinn fuinneog ar saol ata imithe.Is sort "document" e an leabhar ar saol an Ghaeltacht agus saol Eireannach ins na 1800's agus na "early" 1900's ata thart.
Leirinn an leabhar sin tabhacht an fharraige i gnathshaol an toileanach.
Tugann se leargas duinn ar abhar mar-arranged marriages,the importance of storytelling and visiting peoples' houses in the evening for entertainment pre the era of tv,radio etc,going into service with farmers or whatever.
No need to hate Peig anymore than "Anna Karenina" or "Tess of the D'Urbrevilles".
Sin e,mo chuid thuairim ar aon nos.
Ta me anseo mar nil rud ar bith ag taisteal ar na "threadanna" eile.
Cad ina thaobh mar sin?
Bfeidir go bhfuil daoine ag obair go dian ar son na tire.
Is sort ceist "rhetorical" e sin.
Ar aon nos tugann an suiomh seo deis dom mo chuid Gaeilga bochta a chleachtadh nuair a bhfuil me brean don truflais ata ar na suiomhanna eile.
Ach beigean dom dul ag obair me fein anois.
Nil moran agam le phle briomharach.
Ta se in ann me fein a bogadh ar aghaidh.
Sexy Sofie
25-04-15, 19:59
I don't remember name the place ... but few years ago I on tour near Kenmare and have an city where person only spoken in irish ... this is beautiful and until now I looking for some book for begnirs ... this is amazing for listen ...
I don't remember name the place ... but few years ago I on tour near Kenmare and have an city where person only spoken in irish ... this is beautiful and until now I looking for some book for begnirs ... this is amazing for listen ...
It was probably the Dingle Gaeltacht. Easons bookstore should have beginners books for Irish in their language section.
smalllebowski
08-05-15, 22:54
Táimid anseo chun caint faoi gnéas... nach bhfuilimid?
An bhfuil éinne anseo (aon 'escort') atá in ann caint a dhéanamh as Gaeilge?
Táimid anseo chun caint faoi gnéas... nach bhfuilimid?
An bhfuil éinne anseo (aon 'escort') atá in ann caint a dhéanamh as Gaeilge?
Irish Leigha once expressed some interest in Irish (believe she speaks some)
And Irish Annabel Taylor once claimed some knowledge of the language.
Ach ni bhaineann na daoine anseo , moran usaid as an suiomh seo.
I agree with one of the above posters, Irish really isn't being taught well in schools, the fact that most people would know better french after 6 years than irish after 14 years says it all. I speak a good bit of irish myself but I'm hardly fluent, just enough to hold a conversation for a few minutes.
Whats the point? Just came from the US. Didnt understand a word here at the start?! Just speak english! :D
Whats the point? Just came from the US. Didnt understand a word here at the start?! Just speak english! :D
Can't say I fully understand your post either.
I think it's a waste of time, whilst it may improve culture... it would be better to improve the economy by learning something more useful in school?
I am a native irish speaker and i am so proud to be able to speak it, when u hear Europeans speak there language as well as English
it is great to start speaking irish just to show them that irish also can speak a second language
I am a native irish speaker and i am so proud to be able to speak it, when u hear Europeans speak there language as well as English
it is great to start speaking irish just to show them that irish also can speak a second language
Maith thú'. Cos I don't speak the language at all well don't really feel justified in having an opinion on it but think there's a good degree of snobbery among *some* gaeilgeoiri out there
I am a native irish speaker and i am so proud to be able to speak it, when u hear Europeans speak there language as well as English
it is great to start speaking irish just to show them that irish also can speak a second language
Had a fanastic time in Casla at an Irish college years ago.
Maith thú'. Cos I don't speak the language at all well don't really feel justified in having an opinion on it but think there's a good degree of snobbery among *some* gaeilgeoiri out there
There may well be "some" snobbery out there. However the apathy towards the language amongst the general population is wrong. The approach taken at the colaisti gaelige is a good one. Make it fun, enjoyable and relevant. Pity the school teaching cannot be done this way.
loveat1stfeel
29-07-15, 23:13
"Peig " really finished the small interest l had in lrish.....they tried to drill it into me.....went totally the opposite direction..l absolutely hated that F*****g book..........
"Peig "has now disappeared off the syllabus afaik.
And probably marks one as a certain age if they remember it.I mentioned it to a 29 yo schoolteacher, a distant relation , she had never heard of it.
An bhfuil teanga na Gaeilge fós, beo briomhar no an bhfuil sí ag fáil báis go tapaidh?
Mo bhroin, mo bhroin, it gives me a pain in the thoin..
Níl leid dá laghad agat, ar aon nós.
Sin é an sceál.
Sin é mar atá.
paulallen333
29-12-15, 14:49
choimeád ar bun leis an gcomhrac , a choinneáil irish beo
Sin e- how do you put a fada on!
Ta fada ag teastail uaim. Nilim in ann e a reiteach.
An bhfuil aon sli ann go mbeidh me abalta usaid a bhaint as an fada?
michael5000
11-02-16, 10:28
Welsh is generally spoken more frequently than Irish.
It will be interesting how many people answered the Irish question in the census.
Anthony1916
28-04-16, 17:44
Wish I could speak Irish
i would love to be able speak this lovely language
Ireland1985
18-09-16, 23:22
Tháinig athbheocaint leis an teanga cúpla bliain ó shin, i mo thuairimse
The language is alive aso we make it
Of course it's alive, but maybe your not Irish enough.
It is dead for the most of us!!
It is dead for the most of us!!
Chuir reiteoir i cluiche peil gaelach cosc ar beirt imreoiri caint as Gaeilge le deanai. Mar sin fuairimid amach go bhfuil destin ag Paul Williams ar an teanga.. Bhi se ag tabhairt amach go leadranach ar an raidio, an maidin seo caite. Mar sin bhi George Hook ag tabhairt tacaiocht, ag cosaint na Gaeilge nios deanai. Leim se ar an 'band wagon', de reir dealramh, gan dabht.,
FatBastard
21-09-16, 12:45
Chuir reiteoir i cluiche peil gaelach cosc ar beirt imreoiri caint as Gaeilge le deanai. Mar sin fuairimid amach go bhfuil destin ag Paul Williams ar an teanga.. Bhi se ag tabhairt amach go leadranach ar an raidio, an maidin seo caite. Mar sin bhi George Hook ag tabhairt tacaiocht, ag cosaint na Gaeilge nios deanai. Leim se ar an 'band wagon', de reir dealramh, gan dabht.,
I always get a kick out of TG4 flat out babbling away then the odd full English word with full English pronunciation in the middle.
I'm afraid my knowledge of the lingo ended when Bosco on Network 2 stopped.
Chuir reiteoir i cluiche peil gaelach cosc ar beirt imreoiri caint as Gaeilge le deanai. Mar sin fuairimid amach go bhfuil destin ag Paul Williams ar an teanga.. Bhi se ag tabhairt amach go leadranach ar an raidio, an maidin seo caite. Mar sin bhi George Hook ag tabhairt tacaiocht, ag cosaint na Gaeilge nios deanai. Leim se ar an 'band wagon', de reir dealramh, gan dabht.,
we need a translation. couldnt lern the stuf.
in my daughters school, they have a lesson in it everyday, not maths or science but oirish!????
I always get a kick out of TG4 flat out babbling away then the odd full English word with full English pronunciation in the middle.
I'm afraid my knowledge of the lingo ended when Bosco on Network 2 stopped.
Native speakers in the Gaeltacht do this all the time ie insert English words occasionally. A common thing where languages meet esp if one is more dominant. And esp if the word describes something new for a particular language.
Irish has neologisms for new inventions /technology but native speakers are as likely to use an English word.
Rothar from roth(wheel) - bicycle.
Eitlean, ag eitilt-flying gives aeroplane.
Gluais to move gives gluaistean-car.
Native speakers are more likely to use the English words above rather than the coined Irish words.
Languages borrow from each other.
French has le weekend.
Le parking.
Le camping.
In English, to run amok comes from Malay.
To go berserk comes from old Norse.
Interestingly roth is distantly related to rotate in English. Both descend from a common Indo - European ancestral word.
FatBastard
22-09-16, 08:52
Native speakers in the Gaeltacht do this all the time ie insert English words occasionally. A common thing where languages meet esp if one is more dominant. And esp if the word describes something new for a particular language.
Irish has neologisms for new inventions /technology but native speakers are as likely to use an English word.
Rothar from roth(wheel) - bicycle.
Eitlean, ag eitilt-flying gives aeroplane.
Gluais to move gives gluaistean-car.
Native speakers are more likely to use the English words above rather than the coined Irish words.
Languages borrow from each other.
French has le weekend.
Le parking.
Le camping.
In English, to run amok comes from Malay.
To go berserk comes from old Norse.
Interestingly roth is distantly related to rotate in English. Both descend from a common Indo - European ancestral word.
Oh I know, same in most languages. Hell even 'our' English is getting tainted by Americanisms.
I just find it funny that pronunciation and all is perfect English. All I hear on RnaG is:
dgbugekjbsgd FORD CORTINA djsgrdjb jkbsdgr fbhr iPhone trbtrvstb vgvkhgv TURN LEFT AT THE ROUNDABOUT jsegrbj hbsvegrhhb hjbwer
When you've no idea of what the context is they're talking about, it can be comical putting together the English tidbits.
Not that I'm trying to disparage the language or anything, I can't eve look a German in the eye without laughing when he says "Give me mien handy"
Oh I know, same in most languages. Hell even 'our' English is getting tainted by Americanisms.
I just find it funny that pronunciation and all is perfect English. All I hear on RnaG is:
When you've no idea of what the context is they're talking about, it can be comical putting together the English tidbits.
Not that I'm trying to disparage the language or anything, I can't eve look a German in the eye without laughing when he says "Give me mien handy"
English could be described as a bastardised, mongrel language-a hotchpotch, mixum and gathrum of the languages of the world. A trade language or a pidgin due to the admixtures of Danes and Norman - French to the existing Anglo-Saxons, 800 to a 1,000 years ago.
But this is the beauty, the strength and glory of English.
The amalgamation of different peoples that gave rise to modern English meant that much grammer was ditched.
It is perfectly obvious to us that a chair does not need to be masculine or feminine-many languages(including Irish), never reached this conclusion)
Back in 1984 I was not in a dystopian, Orewellian world.
I was in school.
A girl in the class was talking about being" into '' something.
I was aware of the term and what it meant but I sneered at it, a little.
Not so many years later, I myself, was into many things, including using the word '' into''.
That is the beauty of a living language-it evolves and adapts to circumstance, as times change-even going so far as to include the adoption of 'Americanisms' '. .
FatBastard
22-09-16, 21:22
English could be described as a bastardised, mongrel language-a hotchpotch, mixum and gathrum of the languages of the world. A trade language or a pidgin due to the admixtures of Danes and Norman - French to the existing Anglo-Saxons, 800 to a 1,000 years ago.
But this is the beauty, the strength and glory of English.
The amalgamation of different peoples that gave rise to modern English meant that much grammer was ditched.
It is perfectly obvious to us that a chair does not need to be masculine or feminine-many languages(including Irish), never reached this conclusion)
Back in 1984 I was not in a dystopian, Orewellian world.
I was in school.
A girl in the class was talking about being" into '' something.
I was aware of the term and what it meant but I sneered at it, a little.
Not so many years later, I myself, was into many things, including using the word '' into''.
That is the beauty of a living language-it evolves and adapts to circumstance, as times change-even going so far as to include the adoption of 'Americanisms' '. .
My realisation of it was when I became friends with some eastern euros, some of which were only starting out learning English, and they could not get their heads round the fact that in English there can be 15 different ways to say the same thing and words taking roots from all all over the place. 'Television' as a classic example with half Greek and half Latin origin, just beautiful.
My realisation of it was when I became friends with some eastern euros, some of which were only starting out learning English, and they could not get their heads round the fact that in English there can be 15 different ways to say the same thing and words taking roots from all all over the place. 'Television' as a classic example with half Greek and half Latin origin, just beautiful.
The empire on white ch the sun never set,
And now continued by the Americans.
Bengali-shampoo, a head massage.
Bungalow - a single storey building.
Jodhpurs - Jaipur.
Etc.
Primalfear019
24-10-16, 04:59
Agree totally
Cochrane88
28-10-16, 13:17
Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam.
Pádraig Pearse
hmm, well I just had a post where I wished somebody good morning in irish, removed
I'd say only 2% of irish people can speak irish
curvyirishgirl katie
12-02-17, 08:37
Lol Is maith liom Gaelige
philipkntz
16-02-17, 12:43
Smashing! Always one of the most english of words, imo.
I've recently been informed that it is a bastardisation of 's maith sinn.
Bratsimpson1
15-03-17, 11:19
Irish language is still alive for the present
Galwegian1993
07-09-17, 18:52
Irish is only around to a limited extent because a lot of people will get annoyed if they have to stop being lazy and learn anything other than the basics. The amount of people who watch GAA on TG4 but still haven't worked the translations for wide, over the bar etc. is laughable
Latin etiam tum vivit. :D
Latin etiam tum vivit. :D
Romanes eunt domus
makerubyreal
12-11-17, 21:32
Romanes eunt domus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8
Brilliant scene
micknorthman
20-12-17, 16:29
In Northern Ireland it is in the best state it has been since the 1700s or so
ColdAssHonkey
20-12-17, 19:23
In Northern Ireland it is in the best state it has been since the 1700s or so
Go n’éirí an bóthar leat a cháirde
ColdAssHonkey
20-12-17, 20:03
Where’s me reply gone?? I replied as gaeilge and it’s gone? Wtf can’t reply in Irish on a forum about Irish on escort “Ireland “ ! Is this a joke???
Where’s me reply gone?? I replied as gaeilge and it’s gone? Wtf can’t reply in Irish on a forum about Irish on escort “Ireland “ ! Is this a joke???
Hi there,
Your post was delete by 'TheNightshift'.
I think it was a mistake, not knowing that the post was in the correct section due to being an Irish language in the 'Irish Language Discussions' section.
The post has been undeleted.
Floki.
micknorthman
30-12-17, 17:09
Go n’éirí an bóthar leat a cháirde
I don't speak/understand much of it, the only word I knew of that sentence is road, it is the younger generation who are availing of the improvements because of new Irish primary schools. I only learned it at secondary school for 5 years butI think you need to be learning a languaged aged 5 for it to stick long term.
ColdAssHonkey
08-01-18, 00:28
I don't speak/understand much of it, the only word I knew of that sentence is road, it is the younger generation who are availing of the improvements because of new Irish primary schools. I only learned it at secondary school for 5 years butI think you need to be learning a languaged aged 5 for it to stick long term.
It’s taught all wrong.
It means Best of luck bud.
yepyepyep123
31-01-18, 21:17
Agree with that
A friend is actually interested in researching it. Hasn't actually had any luck getting into school though
Nil se marbh ta se fos beo . Bhi me i Gallimh ag tus an bhliain i bialainn. Bhi me ag caint le bean ann. Duirt se liom go raibh gaeilge go liofa agam. An bliain seo caite bhi me i Dunnes i Luimneach agus bhi caint agam le fear ann.
slimboyfat
08-03-18, 02:39
It's good to know your own culture