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Can I ask what the point is on EI staff posting comments on reviews...as per a recent Naughty Nina review. Somone whom I regards as one of the top girls on this site btw...This aside, I thought reviews were a Moderator area of responsibility, maybe I'm wrong but anyways...if I post a review it is based on my experience, same for other reviewers and we post and read to help making future choices. Mods post useful comments sometimes, but the EI staff comment on this review as regards agency or independant is of no help to anyone. Address these types of concerns to the advertiser directly. The mods such as Highway, Doozer and Sarah are doing a good job, this type of interference I don't find helpful...my opinion!
so if a girl is suspect of being in a agencey and is forced to work for a pimp and maybe trafficed
you dont want to know and simply dont care as long as she is hot
A bit unfair Kelly. If EI suspect a girl is being trafficked, there are legal implications, and these should be taken up outside of any forum so as not to alert anybody. If a punter suspects anything, this should also be posted or flagged. This review addition was not a trafficing issue, seems like an interference that benefits nobody.
naughty nina
24-04-10, 19:13
There are plenty so called indys on this site that are agency . I dont see there profile with comments on . Hey do you know i understand why ei have done it and partly i do agree as i used to work for an agency . But i dont now .
All i say is one rule should be for everyone . I have been made an example of quite literally .
I agree transparency is key . But im hoping every agency girl that has worked for an agency recieves the same comments . Its only fair . I agree with anything ei do, i do , but it has to be consistent .
Really im hoping this is resolved as i know patricia is firm and fair . I think all this has been a terrible mistake .
I hate been defensive as really im a lovely chirpy dizzy girl .
love nina xxx
Quarterpoundher
24-04-10, 19:22
Mr Fussy I wish you, as someone with 100 reviews and has aided in the legal page recently put up would expand on what you said the other day that was basically that it does not matter what the status of the escort is as long as service is good.
In general...
Are you happy if a % of your money goes not to the indy if it was an indy you happened to book?
Yes or no?
naughty nina
24-04-10, 19:27
I agree with you kelly ladies that are trafficked is truley unacceptable and is inhumane . I feel for them and i currently do bits of charity work for girls in the uk that are hooked on drugs and have to work . As that in the uk is a problem in some of the very low class establishments and streets . I see girls with needles sticking out there legs its awful . I hear storys of pimps sending them out at 9 am till 5 am in the morning . I see runaways that have no choice to work for pimps . This is disgraceful but i do try and give back . Im totally adhore the pimp situations whether trafficked or to feed an addiction .
The things i hear from ladies on the streets will make grown men cry its truly upsetting .
Myself doing a bit of work monthly for the charity that helps these girls is my way of trying to do some good . No good dead and all that .
love nina xxx
Dirty Harry
24-04-10, 19:56
i would never visit an agency again and my reason is i would hate to see the escort only getting half the money that she worked for when i pay an escort for her time i like to think all the money is for her god knows its hard earned in some cases with agencys the service is normally bad and your on the clock big time well thats the case in my experience any way .i would also fear with some so called agencys that the girls were trafficked in to this and the thought of that would make me sick so i will stick with independent escorts only:)
Quarterpoundher
24-04-10, 20:02
The mods such as Highway, Doozer and Sarah are doing a good job
I see that my doing indepth and time consuming text searches using E-I system search and external searches of other sites reviews for copies that I do on every single review I deal with which has seen a marked reduction in people doing this as its dropped off since I started doing that and found and banned several dozen in recent months places me for exclusion in your displeasure.
Also my making an effort to make sure that locations get removed and that escorts wishing not to have explicit accounts go live get edited and also my deleting any reviews that are plain vulgar and insulting to an escort he was not happy with also exclude me.
My pointing out when wrong options have been used so that wrong symbols do not get assigned.
Also my making sure behind the scenes that based on the review if I feel he merits inclusion on the bad clients list I alert someone I trust to look into that also. I have done this a few times now with postitive results.
All you see is a few comments so do not dismiss the efforts made that you cannot see or ever will see... At least I try but you come along and say something that damages genuine indy escorts in general and dont care what impact that has on them when your 100 reviews gives you some sort of standing here, you should have used that standing better in my view...
Can I ask what the point is on EI staff posting comments on reviews...as per a recent Naughty Nina review. Somone whom I regards as one of the top girls on this site btw...This aside, I thought reviews were a Moderator area of responsibility, maybe I'm wrong but anyways...if I post a review it is based on my experience, same for other reviewers and we post and read to help making future choices. Mods post useful comments sometimes, but the EI staff comment on this review as regards agency or independant is of no help to anyone. Address these types of concerns to the advertiser directly. The mods such as Highway, Doozer and Sarah are doing a good job, this type of interference I don't find helpful...my opinion!
Hi Mr Fussy.
Reviews are normally the responsibility of the E-I staff in general. Mods have only been given access to the reviews recently to share the load.
It can be quiet troublesome to decipher which reviews are genuine and which are not. It is a hard and mostly thankless job but we do the best that we can. If mistakes are made we can hold our hands up and say sorry but if we feel the a review is false or fishy we do try and report this to everyone as per the best of our ability. There as you know and everyone knows a crackdown on fake or fraudulent reviews as too many punters were getting stung with agency girls pretending to be independent and such we are trying our best to sort all this out. The Nina situation now is out of our hands and is being dealt with by the E-I\ staff themselves
naughty nina
24-04-10, 20:43
to be truthful . It must be hard for review mods . How do you attempt to do it . Some will always slip the net . I would hate your job .
love nina xxx
As I said Nina it is a hard and thankless job. As you said some do slip through the net but we are trying to our best here. Unfortunatly the only times we get noticed with reviews is when something either goes wrong or someone dosnt agree with our findings. When we do a good job it goes unnoticed
naughty nina
24-04-10, 21:04
People only remember the bad things as the good things are easy to forget .
I take comfort in that at the minute with my situation .
love nina xxx
Sorry Doozer as I ommitted you from the mods that I know are doing a good job.
This is not about good reviews, rats etc. It is about putting comments on reviews that are nothing to do with the meeting between escort and customer and which are no help to other punters, but seem to be intentionally placed to harm an advertiser. I do not agree with this. I have over 100 reviews on this site, there are more agency escorts here than independant. As long as they are here of their own volition and advertising willingly, that is ok with me. To single out people and place comments, that concerns me...hence my post.
As long as they are here of their own volition and advertising willingly, that is ok with me.
Just so I'm clear on this, you don't mind an agency girl advertising as independant as long as she's not doing it against her will???
I am responsible for the text that i have placed on Nina's review.. I have had a lengthy conversation with Nina herself and im sure what she is telling some truth. but you have to remember that we have found evidence to suggest she is not telling the whole truth... If Nina has worked for an agency that is her own business, but E-I will not allow any person known to them to advertise as an independent if they are an agency... *Removed by Patricia. I don't think you even need say anymore Natasha*
Thank you Natasha....
This issue is between you and Nina. We do not need to know the details as regards CC payments etc. If customers were impacted that is a different matter, if as pointed out previously the girl involved was trafficed etc. that is entirely different. You placed a text on a review, that is of no help to any subsequent punter. It has no place on a review and agin I'd suggest that this is discussed in private with the girl involved. I'd even go so far to suggest that EI looks at it's advertising agreement with people before taking their money for 'x' number of months, as in this case. My point is, don't start this argument on a review.
Thank you Natasha....
This issue is between you and Nina. We do not need to know the details as regards CC payments etc. If customers were impacted that is a different matter, if as pointed out previously the girl involved was trafficed etc. that is entirely different. You placed a text on a review, that is of no help to any subsequent punter. It has no place on a review and agin I'd suggest that this is discussed in private with the girl involved. I'd even go so far to suggest that EI looks at it's advertising agreement with people before taking their money for 'x' number of months, as in this case. My point is, don't start this argument on a review.
It's providing information to a prospective punter who reads the review if that punter is against visiting agency girls............
Just so I'm clear on this, you don't mind an agency girl advertising as independant as long as she's not doing it against her will???
Luther, I look at the adverts. I look at the reviews. if she has good reviews even better. If I like a girl I'll visit the girl. I've never looked and gone..nice girl, great reviews..agency Oh shit....
If i was to post this on the ladies profile she could remove it. I feel i have done right by posting this on the ladies review.
Fountain_Of_All_Knowledge
24-04-10, 21:55
A fake is a fake is a fake but if im going shopping at this Top End Store i want to be sure that the ADVERTISED GOODS are indeed genuine and not agencies .Oh sorry i mean copies!
Quarterpoundher
24-04-10, 21:56
Thank you Natasha....
This issue is between you and Nina. We do not need to know the details as regards CC payments etc. If customers were impacted that is a different matter, if as pointed out previously the girl involved was trafficed etc. that is entirely different. You placed a text on a review, that is of no help to any subsequent punter. It has no place on a review and agin I'd suggest that this is discussed in private with the girl involved. I'd even go so far to suggest that EI looks at it's advertising agreement with people before taking their money for 'x' number of months, as in this case. My point is, don't start this argument on a review.
How can customers who truly wish all the fee to go to the escort not be impacted by not knowing these facts before deciding?
If you dont care then fine but those that do have a right to all the info and decide for themselves...
Fountain_Of_All_Knowledge
24-04-10, 21:59
I have to agree witrh this!
naughty nina
24-04-10, 22:01
I havent removed it out of respect for you and your team .
You make enemies doing that sort of thing .
love nina xxx
How can customers who truly wish all the fee to go to the escort not be impacted by not knowing these facts before deciding?
If you dont care then fine but those that do have a right to all the info and decide for themselves...
Ok then Ei...there are 22 escorts advertised as Independents currently working in Dublin from 3 European agencies. There are 4 escort profiles that are advertised as Independant that are also advertised as Irish Agency. This is not about helping the punters. If a guy goes to see a girl, say Nina, and has a great time or a bad time then he will review accordingly. If a guy goes to an Agency girl, he takes the same risk. If you are going to apply the new distinction, then apply it consistentently....so I expect certain D1, D2, D4, D8, D 18, D24 girls to have any reviews updated....but not their profiles Natasha.
Second time to reply. Nina has good reviews, no one thinks she is being violated, abused,threatened by third parties, her customers support her. She was in an agency, theres doubt about the source of her payment. And the problem is what? NUmerous reviews disclose escorts whose phones are answered by english speakers while they are not. Who exactly do you think the receptionists are, their grannies, what hypocrisy. They are "independents" who are organised by third parties, how else would they organise accomodation around the country? I have been with several of these women, not one has displayed any sign of duress, get real. Why are escorts with unverified photos with no reviews allowed to advertise? Revenue. This should not be allowed, for some reason Nina has been picked on by a technicality, many more frauds are allowed run free, many reviwers refer to photo/favourite fraud, why are these women not banned, these are real complaints, not like the pedantic trawling of porn sites to fuind identikit pictures of women, just give this guy the badge he wants, "witchfinder general", take on the real cheats and ban them, hit them in the pockets thats the only way to make them pay. The fiasco over anon211 is bad enough, the trusted reviewer notion is an enormous joke, does everyone have to have a title, if its not that its "I'm Leaving please print my eulogies" quickly followed by reveral of resignation, I dont care if you resign or not or go to the dead zone that is IIE, this is not facebook, grow up everybody.
Fountain_Of_All_Knowledge
24-04-10, 22:07
Want some valium mate?
If a profile is brought to my attention of having false information i will have a look at it and take action as i feel necessary.
Quarterpoundher
24-04-10, 22:17
Second time to reply. Nina has good reviews, no one thinks she is being violated, abused,threatened by third parties, her customers support her. She was in an agency, theres doubt about the source of her payment. And the problem is what? NUmerous reviews disclose escorts whose phones are answered by english speakers while they are not. Who exactly do you think the receptionists are, their grannies, what hypocrisy. They are "independents" who are organised by third parties, how else would they organise accomodation around the country? I have been with several of these women, not one has displayed any sign of duress, get real. Why are escorts with unverified photos with no reviews allowed to advertise? Revenue. This should not be allowed, for some reason Nina has been picked on by a technicality, many more frauds are allowed run free, many reviwers refer to photo/favourite fraud, why are these women not banned, these are real complaints, not like the pedantic trawling of porn sites to fuind identikit pictures of women, just give this guy the badge he wants, "witchfinder general", take on the real cheats and ban them, hit them in the pockets thats the only way to make them pay. The fiasco over anon211 is bad enough, the trusted reviewer notion is an enormous joke, does everyone have to have a title, if its not that its "I'm Leaving please print my eulogies" quickly followed by reveral of resignation, I dont care if you resign or not or go to the dead zone that is IIE, this is not facebook, grow up everybody.
No!! whats really coming to light here is that many have shown that in general they dont give a fuck what the escorts situation is...
I say again it boils down to this
Some dont care... grand job and off you go
but
some do so those that dont then ignore that valid and factual info and those that do then decide is it something that will be a factor in booking..
Its that simple and its what needs to be done whenever facts present themselves..
If a landline IP from UK when in Ireland being logged and a shared credit card is not worthy of mention then I don't know what is...
No one is saying anyone is being mis treated by an agency but I am saying loud and clear that people who wish to see only independents have every right to be made aware of facts that exist.
If a profile is brought to my attention of having false information i will have a look at it and take action as i feel necessary.
Fair play Zico.
What do you regard as false Natasha, the verified photos system, the opting out of reviews after negative reviews etc. These are instances whereby people spend money and are being ripped off. Deciding to pick on an escort with countless good reviews is a witch-hunt. Do you want me to publish the names of the girls who work for foreign agencies here...is that not something that maybe you would check before taking the same CC info each week.
Natasha, staff, mods, can I suggest we all stop discussing this. Let other people debate it if they wish but we have explained our position very clearly many times now. We are just going around in circles. So I say, no point saying any more about it.
No!! whats really coming to light here is that many have shown that in general they dont give a fuck what the escorts situation is...
I say again it boils down to this
Some dont care... grand job and off you go
but
some do so those that dont then ignore that valid and factual info and those that do then decide is it something that will be a factor in booking..
Its that simple and its what needs to be done whenever facts present themselves..
If a landline IP from UK when in Ireland being logged and a shared credit card is not worthy of mention then I don't know what is...
No one is saying anyone is being mis treated by an agency but I am saying loud and clear that people who wish to see only independents have every right to be made aware of facts that exist.
I will say this 1 more time Luther so you are clear. Yes, by all means address any issues as EI see them. But if they notice the same Credit Card etc. that is not to be addressed on our reviews...take it upidirectly with the escort in question. If the profile is that impacted take it down.....
Natasha, staff, mods, can I suggest we all stop discussing this. Let other people debate it if they wish but we have explained our position very clearly many times now. We are just going around in circles. So I say, no point saying any more about it.
The old chestnut comes out....do you not want the list of Agency escorts?
Fountain_Of_All_Knowledge
24-04-10, 22:29
So who is witch-hunting now?
Fair play Zico.
What do you regard as false Natasha, the verified photos system, the opting out of reviews after negative reviews etc. These are instances whereby people spend money and are being ripped off. Deciding to pick on an escort with countless good reviews is a witch-hunt. Do you want me to publish the names of the girls who work for foreign agencies here...is that not something that maybe you would check before taking the same CC info each week.
Natasha, staff, mods, can I suggest we all stop discussing this. Let other people debate it if they wish but we have explained our position very clearly many times now. We are just going around in circles. So I say, no point saying any more about it.
Wouldn't that just add fuel to the fire Patricia??
I'd like to hear Nina's explanation for this credit card....Do EI know what egency Nina is suposedly with?? Is there a website I could check out?? If so are the girls that shared the cc on the same website??
The old chestnut comes out....do you not want the list of Agency escorts?
As I said to you by PM and I say here all the time, if anyone has info about any agency escorts advertising as independents here, please send it to us and it will be looked into.
Wouldn't that just add fuel to the fire Patricia??
I'd like to hear Nina's explanation for this credit card....Do EI know what egency Nina is suposedly with?? Is there a website I could check out?? If so are the girls that shared the cc on the same website??
Like I said, I think the staff and mods have dedicated quite enough time to answering questions about this now.
The old chestnut comes out....do you not want the list of Agency escorts?
Why bother if you don't care if girls are agency or not???
Natasha, staff, mods, can I suggest we all stop discussing this. Let other people debate it if they wish but we have explained our position very clearly many times now. We are just going around in circles. So I say, no point saying any more about it.
:welcome:
I think there must be F all in telly tonite............
Think I'll go for a pint..................:)
Why bother if you don't care if girls are agency or not???
:welcome:
I think there must be F all in telly tonite............
Think I'll go for a pint..................:)
Why?? Serving time is almost finished...do you get a lock in your local Luther???
Like I said, I think the staff and mods have dedicated quite enough time to answering questions about this now.
With all due respect Patricia....you haven't answered any of my questions about this issue and I'd like to know if Nina is lying or not. They're simple questions to answer so why not answer them??
Why?? Serving time is almost finished...do you get a lock in your local Luther???
Heaven forbid no..................:slap:......................:D
There's always somewhere to get a pint.............;)
Failing that, I'll wait for them to close, break in and help myself................:D:D:D
Is there boxing on tonite???
Heaven forbid no..................:slap:......................:D
There's always somewhere to get a pint.............;)
Failing that, I'll wait for them to close, break in and help myself................:D:D:D
Is there boxing on tonite???
The boxing is over...Kessler beat Froch...good fight espcially the last couple of rounds.
One thing I'll say....the mods do not want to get into discussing about boxing with me...they will be schooled!! (except for QPH...cus he knows all)
no need to thank me Nina....i was just talking chocolate.....or are you being sarcastic???
naughty nina
24-04-10, 23:14
heres credit card explanation .
Sorry its not more sinister then you want but .
Someone pays for my ads a family relative as i tour new york paris milan etc etc . My relative has paid for me and my friends ad on a occasion , Im going to ask my relative date and time etc tomoorrow so i can present factual info . Its late now . Also if im not mistaken a few weeks ago . A friend who i tour with paid my ad for me . How she did it i dont know . I dont ask . I have a pay as you go credit card and sometimes cant get it topped up in time between tours . I can verify i hold that card by showing it to a trusted reviewer . I have been touring alot . If ei want me to pay in ireland i will . I have no problem with that be easier actually .
Love nina xxx
naughty nina
24-04-10, 23:15
I love boxing . Im a massive haye fan xx
love nina xxx
I love boxing . Im a massive haye fan xx
love nina xxx
Ahh....not a big fan myself but he's making the heavyweights interesting again...but the klit brothers will beat him up badly....I'll offer myself to console you when that happens.
Can I ask what the point is on EI staff posting comments on reviews...as per a recent Naughty Nina review. Somone whom I regards as one of the top girls on this site btw...This aside, I thought reviews were a Moderator area of responsibility, maybe I'm wrong but anyways...if I post a review it is based on my experience, same for other reviewers and we post and read to help making future choices. Mods post useful comments sometimes, but the EI staff comment on this review as regards agency or independant is of no help to anyone. Address these types of concerns to the advertiser directly. The mods such as Highway, Doozer and Sarah are doing a good job, this type of interference I don't find helpful...my opinion!
You may feel they are no use to anyone but I find them useful so please don't assume you know all and can speak for everyone just because you have the most reviews. I like to make informed choices and if a lady is suspected of working for an agency I would like to know before I decide whether to see her or not.
I have visited agency ladies in the past and I probably will in the future as for many ladies it is there most viable way to enter this industry, agencies are not just synonymous with this industry and like all other forms there are good ones and bad ones, unfortunately in this country they tend to be bad; that said it is the bad agencies and the traffickers we need to watch out for!
I think there are a lot of half truths being told by Nina, how many times have we read guys giving out that the phone was answered by a "friend" and in most of our minds we knew that's code for agency, here we have the escort telling us the ad was paid by a "friend / relative" and nobody bats an eyelid..
You may feel they are no use to anyone but I find them useful so please don't assume you know all and can speak for everyone just because you have the most reviews. ..
As I said in my post....it is MY opinion...there was no reference to speaking for all punters etc.
As I said in my post....it is MY opinion...there was no reference to speaking for all punters etc.
No, you said you post a review based on your opinion, you then go on to say these comments are no help to anyone. Maybe you should have prepared your statement a bit better, I wonder how many cases you lost because of your inability to express your opinion correctly :rolleyes:
No, you said you post a review based on your opinion, you then go on to say these comments are no help to anyone. Maybe you should have prepared your statement a bit better, I wonder how many cases you lost because of your inability to express your opinion correctly :rolleyes:
'Mods post useful comments sometimes, but the EI staff comment on this review as regards agency or independant is of no help to anyone. Address these types of concerns to the advertiser directly. The mods such as Highway, Doozer and Sarah are doing a good job, this type of interference I don't find helpful...my opinion!'
As the post says .....no help to anyone.etc......MY OPINION.....
'Mods post useful comments sometimes, but the EI staff comment on this review as regards agency or independant is of no help to anyone. Address these types of concerns to the advertiser directly. The mods such as Highway, Doozer and Sarah are doing a good job, this type of interference I don't find helpful...my opinion!'
As the post says .....no help to anyone.etc......MY OPINION.....
We both know that this comment is out of context to your entire post which is against the forum rules.
A simple sorry, the comment was ment to express my opinion would have sufficed... :rolleyes:
naughty nina
25-04-10, 11:40
To everyone concerned
Unless this sorted out i have no choice to leave temporily . I will still use the forums and say hi . I am taking a week off to take stock of this situation and hopefully get this resolved . I will adhere to any strict condition EI want to put on me anything to prove im indy . Until this is sorted i cannot have a repeat of the situation the other day . It scared me . Feelings are running high with people and i dont want anyone to fall out with anyone . Be happy i want .
Whether anyone believes me or not . I live my life and evidence can be looked at many different ways , I am hoping patricia and her team sort this out swiftly has in August im leaving for good to pursue a major career change . This is why im touring often as i do have to live in another country for a while .
Please patricia can you let me know asap what i have to do and it will be done or if not let me know what you have decided .
Im asking for open minds . Please
I havent tried to offend anyone , I havent ripped anyone off . Im just me . I have been niave in the past and have paid the price .
Please guys think happy thoughts .....
love nina xxx
To everyone concerned
Unless this sorted out i have no choice to leave temporily . I will still use the forums and say hi . I am taking a week off to take stock of this situation and hopefully get this resolved . I will adhere to any strict condition EI want to put on me anything to prove im indy . Until this is sorted i cannot have a repeat of the situation the other day . It scared me . Feelings are running high with people and i dont want anyone to fall out with anyone . Be happy i want .
Whether anyone believes me or not . I live my life and evidence can be looked at many different ways , I am hoping patricia and her team sort this out swiftly has in August im leaving for good to pursue a major career change . This is why im touring often as i do have to live in another country for a while .
Please patricia can you let me know asap what i have to do and it will be done or if not let me know what you have decided .
Im asking for open minds . Please
I havent tried to offend anyone , I havent ripped anyone off . Im just me . I have been niave in the past and have paid the price .
Please guys think happy thoughts .....
love nina xxx
Nina,
You asked to talk to E-I staff about this privately and you did that. You told us some things that you said you wanted kept private and not discussed on the boards and we have not mentioned these things on the board. But you cannot have your cake and eat it too here. If you don't want the full facts of your situation aired on these boards, stop creating or encouraging threads about this issue. This matter is dealt with and over as far as we are concerned. You know why we put the note on your reviews. Now lets move on. If you wish to talk to staff again privately, we can do that, but we aren't having a public discussion about this any longer in these circumstances.