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adogwithabone
17-03-10, 09:24
Escort Reviews of Agatha, Irish escort from Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/9653/escort/Agatha/escort-reviews.html)
The reviews of Agatha by the trusted reviewers Scankman and Dreamon are fake. They have been made into fakes by E-I. This is Agatha;
Agatha, Limerick Female Independent Escort, profile on Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/9653/Karol/irish-escort.html)
I should point out that she was Karol yesterday but Agatha today.
This is the real Karol, that Scankman and Dreamon reviewed;
https://www.escort-ireland.com/u_images/esc_4_10681.jpg
The might notice that the real article is a gorgeous, slim 5'8" photo model, while the fake is short and fat.
The reality is that you cannot trust any reviews from anyone, anymore. This has been brought about by E-I allowing pimps to change the girls in profiles when they like. Nobody in E-I seems to have taken a blind bit of notice that a young, tall, slim, beautiful, blonde babe suddenly came back as a short, fat, old woman!!!! Does somebody in E-I not wonder at a girl who shrinks from 5'8" down to 5'2"!!!!!!!!
Am I the only one that sees the implications of this?????????????????????????????????
All reviews are now meaningless unless a copy of the photos/profile is attached (minus any contact details). If a girl wishes to retire and remove her profile, then her reviews should be retired with her as they will be irrelevant in any case.
This has been brought about by E-I allowing pimps to change the girls in profiles when they like.
You are looking at that with some bias adogwithabone. We let escort's log in and update their photos and vital statistics. If a small number of people abuse that, that's a small number of people abusing that. You make it sound like it's something we did to assist pimps. It's not, it's a change we made a long time ago because escorts overwhelmingly want to be able to have the ability to log in themselves and upload new photos, or change some of their other details or update their rates because they are doing a special etc.
Nobody in E-I seems to have taken a blind bit of notice that a young, tall, slim, beautiful, blonde babe suddenly came back as a short, fat, old woman!!!! Does somebody in E-I not wonder at a girl who shrinks from 5'8" down to 5'2"!!!!!!!!
Sometimes it does take a client like you pointing out a problem for us to see it. We are only human, we have a lot of staff working on this site every day, but a lot of issues come up, and no we don't always have time to monitor everything. Now you've pointed this out, I'll refer it to Sarah and she will look into it.
All reviews are now meaningless unless a copy of the photos/profile is attached (minus any contact details). If a girl wishes to retire and remove her profile, then her reviews should be retired with her as they will be irrelevant in any case.
We've discussed this at length and leaving profiles up when escorts are gone is not going to work for a lot of reasons. What we are in the process of implimenting is a sort of front end logging showing more information about changes to profiles, so, when a client is looking at an active profile, he can see more information about that profile's history.
Pat x
I really do think attaching a thumbnail image of the lady reviewed is a very good idea, I guess with all the images your server has to contend with thats easier said than done but thumbnails are very small so maybe they wouldn't have a massive impact on them?
I really do think attaching a thumbnail image of the lady reviewed is a very good idea, I guess with all the images your server has to contend with thats easier said than done but thumbnails are very small so maybe they wouldn't have a massive impact on them?
Thanks Anon, that is a good suggestion and something we'll look at now. Attaching a copy of the whole profile at the time the review was written was no feasible for lots of reasons we decided, but maybe attaching just a thumbnail woud be.
adogwithabone
17-03-10, 10:41
You are looking at that with some bias adogwithabone. We let escort's log in and update their photos and vital statistics. If a small number of people abuse that, that's a small number of people abusing that. You make it sound like it's something we did to assist pimps. It's not, it's a change we made a long time ago because escorts overwhelmingly want to be able to have the ability to log in themselves and upload new photos, or change some of their other details or update their rates because they are doing a special etc.
Sometimes it does take a client like you pointing out a problem for us to see it. We are only human, we have a lot of staff working on this site every day, but a lot of issues come up, and no we don't always have time to monitor everything. Now you've pointed this out, I'll refer it to Sarah and she will look into it.
We've discussed this at length and leaving profiles up when escorts are gone is not going to work for a lot of reasons. What we are in the process of implimenting is a sort of front end logging showing more information about changes to profiles, so, when a client is looking at an active profile, he can see more information about that profile's history.
Pat x
The unfortunate reality is that this is by no means an isolated case. No potential client reading any review, trusted or not, will have any idea whether the girl in the profile bears any relation to the girl that the reviewer met. You know as well as I do that half the girls on here are 'contract' girls working for pimping outfits. I have no issue with that, a girl has to start somewhere and most of the foreign girls start like this. The problem is that the pimps control the profiles and now they are free to substitute girls at will.
It is great also for the escorts, when they retire, they can sell their reviews to the highest bidder!! I am sure that it must be Somebodies Law; If you allow an opportunity for someone to abuse a system to their advantage, they will take. The system of allowing escorts to change details and photos at will, is not sustainable. You can be sure that the only detail that will not change from year to year is the age. It is like the reviews, the escorts and/or their pimps will get cuter and cuter at abusing the system.
If girls want to alter their photos/profile, fine but they should lose their positive reviews unless the reviewers approve the changes.
You know as well as I do that half the girls on here are 'contract' girls working for pimping outfits. I have no issue with that, a girl has to start somewhere and most of the foreign girls start like this.
I don't know this actually. I do know there are cases of girls posing as independents who are not in fact independents, but I don't think this is as previlant as you seem to.
I am however in agreement that you are pointing out a real problem that we should try to resolve.
Attaching thumbnails to the reviews seems like a good idea. It's a bit silly to have a question about the accuracy of photos if no one can see which photos the reviewer was talking about.
adogwithabone
17-03-10, 11:04
Thanks Anon, that is a good suggestion and something we'll look at now. Attaching a copy of the whole profile at the time the review was written was no feasible for lots of reasons we decided, but maybe attaching just a thumbnail woud be.
1) every profile should have at least two photos which are permanent and marked as such, let them change the other four or so, at will
2) escorts should not be allowed to change their height/statistics/favourites without approval from a moderator. It is to be hoped that they might notice that a girl is shrinking by 6inches!!!
3) there are too many old profiles/reviews clogging the system. Escorts, who have been inactive for 6 months should have their profile/reviews removed to storage
4) removing the 'dead wood' should allow you to move to a system where all profiles, which are on your system anyway, are available to the rest of us. The difference will be that those not currently advertising will have all location and contact details removed and replaced with a sign 'currently unavailable'. This would greatly facilitate the review system. Escorts would effectively be paying you to open the contact details on their profile and to advertise them as currently active
5) anytime a girl wants to retire and remove all photos/details from the system, the reviews should be deleted also
thehighwayman
17-03-10, 12:16
When I started reading this thread I thought the same as adogwithabone that at least one maybe 2 photos should be permanent. The escort shouldn't be able to change these unless they contact Ad Staff. But are free to change the rest. The way they can change all thier photos at the moment means there are people abusing the system. Thumbnails attached to reviews is also a good idea. When I'm doing the reviews and the profile is down it's hard to know the difference between one Adriana, Giselle, Sasha etc as alot of use the same name.
thehighwayman
17-03-10, 12:30
Speaking of Dreamon I wonder what happened him he hasn't reviewed since last March and hasn't logged in since May. View Profile: dreamon - Escort Ireland Community (https://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/members/dreamon.html) Reviews of Irish escorts written by Irish escort client dreamon - Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/user/dreamon.html)
Unless he reincarnated himself :rolleyes:
Quarterpoundher
17-03-10, 13:17
speaking of dreamon i wonder what happened him he hasn't reviewed since last march and hasn't logged in since may. view profile: Dreamon - escort ireland community (https://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/members/dreamon.html) reviews of irish escorts written by irish escort client dreamon - escort ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/user/dreamon.html)
unless he reincarnated himself :rolleyes:
lmao.........
adogwithabone
17-03-10, 14:01
When I started reading this thread I thought the same as adogwithabone that at least one maybe 2 photos should be permanent. The escort shouldn't be able to change these unless they contact Ad Staff. But are free to change the rest. The way they can change all thier photos at the moment means there are people abusing the system. Thumbnails attached to reviews is also a good idea. When I'm doing the reviews and the profile is down it's hard to know the difference between one Adriana, Giselle, Sasha etc as alot of use the same name.
The profiles of all current or recently active escorts should be available for all to see. They should contain at least two permanent photos, marked as such. Reviews should link to these profiles. Maybe there should be two pages, one with the permanent photos/statistics and the other that the escort can play around with
Karin Kiss
17-03-10, 16:58
Or think about me, I've changed a few looks since I started!
And I don't think these looks of mine were very similar, the "black" Karin looked really tough, while the "blond one" looks all hugs & puppies :D
If someone was not familiar with my profile they may even think there are 2 different girls.
but wot happens i have two perment photos when i start escorting i work for 20 years am now 45 but i will still have two pics of me when i started at 25 years old
how silly
thumb nails on reviews with a pic in it is prob the best thing
Only by E-I staff................
4) removing the 'dead wood' should allow you to move to a system where all profiles, which are on your system anyway, are available to the rest of us. The difference will be that those not currently advertising will have all location and contact details removed and replaced with a sign 'currently unavailable'. This would greatly facilitate the review system. Escorts would effectively be paying you to open the contact details on their profile and to advertise them as currently active
That would be a good system for us, and for the escorts, but there is zero chance of this happening. Think about it. The escort can still give out her contact details by pm to anyone who looks at the profile and likes what he sees, so why should she pay the advertising fee?
Or think about me, I've changed a few looks since I started!
And I don't think these looks of mine were very similar, the "black" Karin looked really tough, while the "blond one" looks all hugs & puppies :D
If someone was not familiar with my profile they may even think there are 2 different girls.
Indeed. The first look was the green one, if I recall correctly. Fine for St. Patrick's Day, but bad for business otherwise. I'm in no hurry to see those photos again.
Speaking of Dreamon I wonder what happened him he hasn't reviewed since last March and hasn't logged in since May. View Profile: dreamon - Escort Ireland Community (https://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/members/dreamon.html) Reviews of Irish escorts written by Irish escort client dreamon - Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/user/dreamon.html)
Unless he reincarnated himself :rolleyes:
The last thread he posted to before his disappearance was Review farce (https://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/general-chat/18474-review-farce.html[/url). It's interesting to read back through that thread. As a matter of historical interest I note that nearly everyone who posted to it was banned or modded. Sometimes both. Dreamon was one of the select few who was neither banned nor modded.
Karin Kiss
17-03-10, 19:53
Indeed. The first look was the green one ............... bad for business otherwise.
Is that what you think? The green pictures brought me more clients then usual, funny as it may seems.
Cannot explain it why but it's true.
Is that what you think? The green pictures brought me more clients then usual, funny as it may seems.
Cannot explain it why but it's true.
Well they scared me off, anyway. Something I've regretted ever since.
Karin Kiss
17-03-10, 20:27
Good thing I'm stil around so ;)
If I ever go to London I will get some proffesional pictures done. The site is full of them anyway, it's not a good time now to stand out from the rest with regular photos. These days, people assume the worst when they see this.
P.S. I kinda :hijacked: ... :D .... sorry.
adogwithabone
17-03-10, 21:16
That would be a good system for us, and for the escorts, but there is zero chance of this happening. Think about it. The escort can still give out her contact details by pm to anyone who looks at the profile and likes what he sees, so why should she pay the advertising fee?
Indeed. The first look was the green one, if I recall correctly. Fine for St. Patrick's Day, but bad for business otherwise. I'm in no hurry to see those photos again.
But if all the contact details are removed, including any message board contact, how would the escort know that anyone was interested???? or have you a way around this???????? Any girls that may come on here and say 'I am Gina5678, look at my profile and pm me if you would like to meet' would get quickly banned. Anyway, a girl could come on and post a link to any other website showing her profile.
Yes, if the message board id were hidden then it would work only for escorts who are well known. So Patricia wouldn't lose too much money. But for her the alternative is losing none. Not hard to guess which one she'll pick.
I think links to profiles on other sites are generally removed. I could be wrong about that, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I am.
adogwithabone
17-03-10, 21:53
Yes, if the message board id were hidden then it would work only for escorts who are well known. So Patricia wouldn't lose too much money. But for her the alternative is losing none. Not hard to guess which one she'll pick.
I think links to profiles on other sites are generally removed. I could be wrong about that, but I'm sure someone will correct me if I am.
I hear what you say but of the 700+ escorts advertising, there is only a handful that are well known here. The fact that they are well known means that they probably do not need a profile anyway, as everyone has seen it many times. I realise that there are 'newbies' but it should not be difficult to automatically remove the link to the profile/reviews when the escort is not advertising.
adogwithabone. karol profile is suspended and here are her reviews:
Escort Reviews of Karol, Irish escort from Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/10681/escort/Karol/escort-reviews.html)
This is something completly different then Agatha , so I can not see what is this all about.
Just to double check it, I will PM reviewers of :
Escort Reviews of Agatha, Irish escort from Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/9653/escort/Agatha/escort-reviews.html) to check was reviews not transfered incorrectly by mistake.
I did not find any information in Agatha profile about her name being changed and for sure these two profile were never mixed up.
There are 2 seperate liks to reviews of Karol and Agatha, which means these are 2 seperate profiles. If Agata updated same profile,there would not be a seperate link.
Sarah
I don't know this actually. I do know there are cases of girls posing as independents who are not in fact independents, but I don't think this is as previlant as you seem to.
I am however in agreement that you are pointing out a real problem that we should try to resolve.
We need to get real here Patricia u know and i know it,im fairly aut fait with the scene in Cork and i can definitely say that well more than half of the girls advertised here at any one time as independent are NOT INDEPENDENT BUT AGENCY.
I know the locations and apts they use and all this will be verefied by any frequent punter. Now i am not saying that this is an easy issue to
tackle but by trying to dilute the issue and say it not as prevelant as it is is just nonsense.Seeing as that Cork and Limerick would be the two
areas i would be most famaliar with i can personaly vouch for these but i know that seeing its the case in these places its the same everywhere
I believe we would be idots not to take all reviews with a pinch of salt. If you study them many are by one off non active reviews others have similar spelling mistakes suggesting a common reviewer and then we have the Independent or is it an Agency listing.
But because of this business and how it opperates to resolve this is very difficult I cant think of an easy way.
adogwithabone
18-03-10, 13:08
adogwithabone. karol profile is suspended and here are her reviews:
Escort Reviews of Karol, Irish escort from Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/10681/escort/Karol/escort-reviews.html)
This is something completly different then Agatha , so I can not see what is this all about.
Just to double check it, I will PM reviewers of :
Escort Reviews of Agatha, Irish escort from Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/9653/escort/Agatha/escort-reviews.html) to check was reviews not transfered incorrectly by mistake.
I did not find any information in Agatha profile about her name being changed and for sure these two profile were never mixed up.
Sarah
You are right in part.
Escort Reviews of Agatha, Irish escort from Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/9653/escort/Agatha/escort-reviews.html)
This girl only changed the name to Agatha in the last couple of days since she was exposed as a fake. All the 2009 reviews were earned by the real Karol when she worked for a pimp/agency. If you go back to the original photos attached to the profile, you will see the real Karol who is totally different from this fake
She left and became independent but used the same name
Escort Reviews of Karol, Irish escort from Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/10681/escort/Karol/escort-reviews.html)
These are the reviews of Karol as an independent
The short, fat Agatha is now trading on reviews earned by the tall slim Karol. This makes a mockery of the whole review system
We need to get real here Patricia u know and i know it,im fairly aut fait with the scene in Cork and i can definitely say that well more than half of the girls advertised here at any one time as independent are NOT INDEPENDENT BUT AGENCY.
I know the locations and apts they use and all this will be verefied by any frequent punter. Now i am not saying that this is an easy issue to
tackle but by trying to dilute the issue and say it not as prevelant as it is is just nonsense.Seeing as that Cork and Limerick would be the two
areas i would be most famaliar with i can personaly vouch for these but i know that seeing its the case in these places its the same everywhere
Seriously Ber, if you know this, can you tell us? I mean in private, not here, because I think people are assuming we know a lot that we don't actually know, and in order to tackle problems we need to know.
You are wrong by saying that the profiles been changed, not at all.
The Karol you are talking about has currently profile suspended but her pictures are still in her profile and reviews are attached to her.
If Agatha really changed her name, that the only explanation is that someone made mistake by transfering reviews incorrectly from one profile to another. Whish should not but could happend.
What you are saying is that the profiles ( and the reviews) been mixed up, which is not correct.
If reviews been mixed up by staff, we need to check it very carefuly and make sure all is right.
Sarah
MILF Hunter
18-03-10, 18:54
for some reason
if you copy and paste this link >>> www.escort-ireland.com/9653/ (https://www.escort-ireland.com/9653/)Karol/irish-escort.html <<<
you will be redirected to Agnatha's profile
why?
Same thing if you replace Karol by MilfHunter. It ignores the name and uses only the number. That's the way it's always been, as far as I know.
MILF Hunter
18-03-10, 22:09
Same thing if you replace Karol by MilfHunter. It ignores the name and uses only the number. That's the way it's always been, as far as I know.
ha!
Cheers El :)
adogwithabone
19-03-10, 17:08
adogwithabone. karol profile is suspended and here are her reviews:
Escort Reviews of Karol, Irish escort from Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/10681/escort/Karol/escort-reviews.html)
This is something completly different then Agatha , so I can not see what is this all about.
Just to double check it, I will PM reviewers of :
Escort Reviews of Agatha, Irish escort from Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/9653/escort/Agatha/escort-reviews.html) to check was reviews not transfered incorrectly by mistake.
I did not find any information in Agatha profile about her name being changed and for sure these two profile were never mixed up.
There are 2 seperate liks to reviews of Karol and Agatha, which means these are 2 seperate profiles. If Agata updated same profile,there would not be a seperate link.
Sarah
I am amazed that you seem to have no way of tracking name changes on the part of escorts. Maybe this review will confirm what I say;
Escort Ireland - Escort Reviews - Review 020409 - Irish Independent Escorts, Irish Touring Escorts, Irish Escort Agencies (https://www.escort-ireland.com/escorts/agatha5-southamerican-female-escort.html)
If this does not convince you, go to;
https://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/reviews-chat/33953-fake-profiles-fake-reviews.html
go to post #5 and click on the link to Karol.
The (now) Agatha profile was the one that Karol had when working for the 'agency'. When she left and became independent she had to open a new profile with new reviews because the old one was controlled by the 'agency'.
The 'agency' have substituted the tall slim girl with the short fat one and, thereby, give her the benefit of the real Karol's reviews.
What we are in the process of implimenting is a sort of front end logging showing more information about changes to profiles, so, when a client is looking at an active profile, he can see more information about that profile's history.
Now, that would be a great help. Personally I am deeply suspicious of name changes, etc.
english rebecca
24-03-10, 17:30
BER
JUST TO MENTION THAY MANY APARTMENTS ARE USED BY BOTH INDEPENDENT AND AGENCY GIRLS. JUST BECAUSE A FLAT IS KNOWN TO HAVE DIFFERENT GIRLS EVERY WEEK DOES NOT MEAN EVERY GIRL USING IT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME IS AN AGENCY GIRL. IT IS CALLED 'touring' LOL.
THAT SAID, I DO AGREE THAT MANY OF THE GIRLS NOW LISTED AS INDEPENDENTS ARE AGENCY GIRLS, BUT IT IS PRESUMABLY IMPOSSIBLE TO VERIFY.
SUSPICION IS 1 THING. PROOF IS ANOTHER.
ALSO I KNOW SOME AGENCY GIRLS WHO ARE BUSIER THAN THE INDEPENDENTS. WHERE THERE MAY BE PUNTERS OUT THERE WHO CLAIM NOT TO LIKE USING AGENCIES, THE PROOF IS THERE IN THE FACT THAT THESE GIRLS ARE VERY BUSY AND ARE REGULARILY BEING FREQUENTED BY PUNTERS.
COINCIDENTALLY, EVEN IF THEY ARE BEING LISTED AS INDIES, THEY ARE STILL BUSIER THAN SOME TRUE INIDIES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT.
I WOULD NOT WORK AS AN AGENCY GIRL MYSELF AS I HAVE NO NEED, BUT IT GOES ON IN THE SAME FLATS THAT INDIES USE.
E REB
adogwithabone
24-03-10, 17:40
I am amazed that you seem to have no way of tracking name changes on the part of escorts. Maybe this review will confirm what I say;
Escort Ireland - Escort Reviews - Review 020409 - Irish Independent Escorts, Irish Touring Escorts, Irish Escort Agencies (https://www.escort-ireland.com/escorts/agatha5-southamerican-female-escort.html)
If this does not convince you, go to;
https://www.escort-ireland.com/boards/reviews-chat/33953-fake-profiles-fake-reviews.html
go to post #5 and click on the link to Karol.
The (now) Agatha profile was the one that Karol had when working for the 'agency'. When she left and became independent she had to open a new profile with new reviews because the old one was controlled by the 'agency'.
The 'agency' have substituted the tall slim girl with the short fat one and, thereby, give her the benefit of the real Karol's reviews.
I am disappointed that you have not been back to me about this.