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Just exactly an hour ago, I was turn down by an escort for what I believe is due to my race :mad:(check my Id)
And its the doing of this lady, Vanessa, Dublin Female Independent Escort, profile on Escort Ireland (https://www.escort-ireland.com/2778/Vanessa/irish-escort.html)
We had 2 phone conversation and the agree time was around 11:30am,
it was 11am and I said it would take me around 15mins to drive to Town and maybe 15mins to get to her location since i clearly state to her I didnt know the street and she was still kind enough there to give me some rough directions.
I got there at 11:40, Ok i was 10mins late, I rang her while standing right outside her apartments, she answered the phone saying i was late etc etc, and I explain to her traffic and parking and i didnt know the way etc , so we got that out of our way.
Next thing she said wait, and i believe she was walking out the window, she ask me what nationality am i, i answer then she hang up straight away.
try to ring her back....Nope, wont pick up.
I txt her asking what sort of manners is this to a person.
she replied saying I was late and that I AM A TIME WASTER.
Let's be fair here people, We got the Time issue out of the way, and Once you look out and see that I'm asian you hang up and try to swing me away with such silly excuse.
why did u have to wait to find out my nationality and using such unpolite way of rejection.
She wasted my time, and parking expense and the worst is the insult.
My punting brothers and escorts, please feel free to express your comment.
Chopsuey,Your correct its a terrible way to treat someone,just forget about it.I had a look at her profile and she is no oil painting.Its her loss i doubt punters are bashing her door down. Much prettier girls around for the same bread.Goodluck.
I guess it all boils down to personal taste Mr.Suey.If the girl does`nt like the look of you
then she is well entitled to reject.After all sucking cock ,french kissing and shagging are hardly informal acts.Racism is too taboo nowdays,-- hence an escort can`t express her racial constraints when advertising herself.Personally,I find undraped black women sexually repulsive,but in contrast am really turned on by very fair,even alabaster skinned girls.--- I have found in general,that Eastern European women,especially Latvians and Lithuanians do not find black and Asian skin attractive.So if you take offence easily,---- -------- TOUGH !!
annasavicha
24-03-09, 15:58
Sorry,i am Latvian,and i have dated asian origin guy for couple of years............
So please..............do not brush anyone with same brush.....
Also here s guy who s registred on the board and he s black and i met him even i ve no review off him mentioning his race.
And talking about asian guy-he has softest and smoothest,cleanest silk like skin i ve ever seen,and i always enjoyed sleeping on his chest sliding my palms and fingers over his abs,chest etc.............
He had the most perfect skin ever,so please off with the Latvian racist comments
carlos marvado
24-03-09, 16:10
I've come across quite a few escorts who stated quite openly that they did not like black or indian people. I dont think it's necessarily a colour thing is every case......but also a cultural thing.
One escort once told me, that in her opinion only 5% of black men were good i.e. nice, whereas 50% of white men were good. Funny thing is, she was mentioned in a post by a black client who sang the praises about how well she treated him.....if he only knew.
Simple precaution, if you have been at the receiving end of racial prejudice by escorts, enquire when making a future booking if the escort has any objection to taking a booking from someone of your race/nationality. It will at least save you making wasted journeys.
Secondly, out the racists by posting a thread here. A Racist-Escorts thread could be opened to join the others that were established by Bigpaws.
If the recession gets really bad, they'll be happy to accept anybody's money.....irrespective of the colour of the dick that comes with it.
annasavicha
24-03-09, 16:16
And what about me being made a racist look alike mentioned in Lani's review?????
I said to her i cant see guy who comes together with friend as that makes it a brothel and i never accept 2 guys in same time if i m with other girl and especially if i never meet them before.....
i ALWAYS SAID IF GUY WANT TO MAKE BOOKING HE COMES ON HIS OWN ARRANGE BY HIMSELF AND DO IT DISCREET WITHOUT INVOLVING NEIGHBOURS/FRIENDS/FAMILY,AND DISCRETION IS IMPORTANT FOR ME.....
Chop,
I would have had my doubts about this escort as soon as she "walked out the window"!!
dom
Bigbadjohn
24-03-09, 17:12
a black escort that i got talking too expressed that she didnt like black punters because of the very different attitude towards her they had.
bbj
experienced punter
24-03-09, 18:15
Chop,
I would have had my doubts about this escort as soon as she "walked out the window"!!
dom
yep racist alright that was an awful experience utter timewaster dont let it put u off pity she didnt walk out the window..........
big daddy 69
24-03-09, 18:24
yep racist alright that was an awful experience utter timewaster dont let it put u off pity she didnt walk out the window..........
Perhaps after walkin to the front window she then went to the back window & succesfully walked out of it & didnt ans the phone because she was dead:eek::D:D
thehighwayman
24-03-09, 18:34
That's the part I don't get why was she walking out the window. How did he know this :D:D
This is like first time reviewers I wouldn't believe a word of it. Most likely a pimp or agency trying to give an escort a bad name.
nicegirlsarenice
24-03-09, 19:50
Well he didn't say he KNEW she was walking out the window, just that be believed she was walking out the window.
Walking out the window sounds like a dangerous action to me. Maybe she got hurt and that's why she couldn't see him? :p
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While I don't think that racism has a place either here or anywhere for that matter, I do believe that the ladies here should be allowed to make some choices about who they see, for what ever reason, this is not always a race issue and may just be a personal preference. Although people may see the line between these two things as a little blurry.
Although I don't condone what has happened to you, and I'm sure the time waster line was just an excuse, I feel that your as much aggrieved by having your time wasted, as the reason you suspect she didn't want to see you!!!
I'm sure if you asked her on the phone if she catered for Asian gentleman and she said "I'm sorry sir, but I don't" it wouldn't be such an issue, if you did ask this question and were told yes and only to be turned down when you arrive, I'd be much more pissed off!!!
If an escort has a preference about not seeing a particular type of gentleman, it would be preferable if it stated this on their profile or website, as Anna S does. Although I can't see this ever happening, and top marks to the ones that do. I think it probably saves them and clients some time....
........... a disproportionate number of Eastern European ladies have a racial preference for white people. Some of them are downright nasty about other races & I believe that it's a deeprooted thing with them. I do not include Anna S in this, she's a different class !!!
While I don't agree with it I also have to respect their right to decide who they engage in some very intimate acts with.
Well he didn't say he KNEW she was walking out the window, just that be believed she was walking out the window.
Walking out the window sounds like a dangerous action to me. Maybe she got hurt and that's why she couldn't see him? :p
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Sorry i type wrong, I was meant to say she walk towarded the window and look down at me from above, thats when she saw an asian guy on a mobile and askes if it was me before hung up.
Why did i guess so well u would notice if someone went and open window when suddenly she got lots of traffic noise in background. I am only assuming, but regardless she did express racist.
I would like to hear what Vanessa has to say before making any comment.
There is only one side to this story so far, from a member who has just registered, and has never contributed to this board in any way. I am not saying he is lying but i would like to hear both sides of this story before jumping to conclusions. There have been a lot of fake reviews and misinformation about escorts and this is damaging to thier reputations.
Personaly i am taking this guy with a pinch of salt.
annasavicha
25-03-09, 10:00
........... a disproportionate number of Eastern European ladies have a racial preference for white people. Some of them are downright nasty about other races & I believe that it's a deeprooted thing with them. I do not include Anna S in this, she's a different class !!!
While I don't agree with it I also have to respect their right to decide who they engage in some very intimate acts with.
Anna S have her own class !!:)
And aThanks The Nads
Hey Chopsuey, get over it! I've also just had a look at her profile and Notatwork is dead right, she is no oil painting, you certainly missed nothing with her. Even her "positive" reviews have a cloud of doubt over them.
What's even more offensive though are the comments from llama-brain LLamedos. I just checked his profile and note he hasn't got any friends. Enough said.
Do as Carlos says, check with the Escort beforehand that she has no race issues. Because I'm a mature man I always mention my age to an escort when making a booking, so that I don't turn-up on her doorstep and embarrass her, or me. Though I must say, it has never been an issue, but some day it might.....
Do yourself a favour, clarify everything with the escort first - even your preferences - so you save yourself time, money and embarrassment. There are plenty of beautiful escorts out there, so shop around, and enjoy. love9
Cantwell you feckin ******,I recall your post earlier this month in the Male Escort section
requesting "YOUNG LADS" to suck you off, ---- so before you start calling me names
remember that you are a " PERVERTED FECKING LOWLIFE ", --- my E:mail add is closed
to friends request you dumb ***** twat.
I just checked the cantwel post you mentioned and to me that seems like a ballhop, but whether it is r not I agree u sound like a racist. U dont like asians r blacks and ur language prob reflects ur intelligence - not even that of a llama!! get off the stage and admit ur a racist. I wont even suggest ur a p . . p!!!!
EdisonChen
27-03-09, 05:07
well chopy,
I'm in da same boat as u. I'm asian and I've seen Vanessa before when she still calls herself Gabriela.I even left a positive review.She didnt ask to know my nationality before hand and the appointment went on fine.Now that you mention it I guess i know the reason why she wouldn't take a 2nd booking from me.
I didnt think of it as a racist issue since the first appointment went fine just like any usual punt, but I guess unlike your case she didnt know I was asian until i was right outside her door and a bit too late for her to slam it, the 2nd time i rang her she would have known then.....
I dunno, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt since she was very enthusiastic and active during the appointment and if she was really racist then she did well enough to cheat me.
Like others who mention, there are plenty of other girls here waiting for your business, if she's so picky as an escort in these economical climate she can eat shit very soon.:rolleyes:
irishescort
02-04-09, 22:45
everyone to their own, but having been in the business for 5 years the most arrogant or ignorant clients are not specifically asian but chinese. small dicks=small brains, sorry but the truth hurts sometimes and as for little hitler and his renowned reputation, SMALL men big egos. . . cant understand where its coming from maybe a cultural thing. Very demoralising experiencessss with asian guys. . . . i live in hope::confused:
everyone to their own, but having been in the business for 5 years the most arrogant or ignorant clients are not specifically asian but chinese. small dicks=small brains, sorry but the truth hurts sometimes and as for little hitler and his renowned reputation, SMALL men big egos. . . cant understand where its coming from maybe a cultural thing. Very demoralising experiencessss with asian guys. . . . i live in hope::confused:
This is totally offensive and it is why you are banned :mad::mad::mad:
Seeing as I got a few PMs saying it is not fair for me to ban this lady because she doesn't like Asian clients, as other escorts refuse clients of various nationalities / ethnicities and I haven't banned them, I would like to clarify:
Irishescort was not banned because she doesn't see Asian clients. She was banned because, whilst it is ok for an escort to politelty state that she doesn't see clients of a particular nationality or ethnicity, it is not ok to come on here and tell everyone clients of a certain ethnicity are all arrogant and ignorant. That is racism.
thehighwayman
03-04-09, 13:40
That wasn't Liz by any chance :D
nicegirlsarenice
04-04-09, 12:06
IMO, it's a very bad state of affairs if this "anti-racism" bullshit is permeating E-I.
Sky News and similar are completely insane sometimes in how left-wing they are. Like remember how they tried to completely destroy Jade Goody just because she said that prissy Indian should fuck off home if she didn't like it. It was just a bloody spate as is always happening in reality shows!
They treated like it was a flippin international incident with incitement to war!
Anyone intelligent knows it's a policy from the government in order to try to minimize the fact that we're selling out our homeland and our very GENEPOOL ITSELF to immigrants for the money the government can make off of them!!!
I'm not saying Patricia did anything wrong here, just that the topic creator should probably just fuck off back to China and have sex with the girls there.
i think its appauling,,,at the end of the day we do this work 2 make money!!!!! which is all the same colour,,we all bleed the same blood!!!!!!!! if he came 2 c me i would gladly let him in...makes no sense 2 me.... kelly english rose experienced escort...xxxxx:)
Quarterpoundher
04-04-09, 13:46
IMO, it's a very bad state of affairs if this "anti-racism" bullshit is permeating E-I.
Sky News and similar are completely insane sometimes in how left-wing they are. Like remember how they tried to completely destroy Jade Goody just because she said that prissy Indian should fuck off home if she didn't like it. It was just a bloody spate as is always happening in reality shows!
They treated like it was a flippin international incident with incitement to war!
Anyone intelligent knows it's a policy from the government in order to try to minimize the fact that we're selling out our homeland and our very GENEPOOL ITSELF to immigrants for the money the government can make off of them!!!
I'm not saying Patricia did anything wrong here, just that the topic creator should probably just fuck off back to China and have sex with the girls there.
As regards Jade Goody, the woman has suffered enough and being buried today so not commenting on her.
Your statement that the original poster should go back to China to procure the services denied him here based on race makes no sense and is as blinkered as some of the horse’s in the Grand National. If nothing else think of the carbon footprint implications to the planet if your way of thinking became the norm and every punter who through happenstance and history had to travel to what ever corner he hailed from. Follow your thinking to its logical conclusion and all punters the world over would end up in East Africa.
How do you know he was not born here as people from various Asian nations have been here for substantially longer then most of the newer arrivals. If born here then he is Irish so entitled based on your new order to visit Celtic, red haired, harp playing, set dancing escorts as much as he wants or can find.
To say that it’s the ‘”policy” of the government to somehow water down our genetics to increase tax take is ridiculous and even the BNF would not arrive at that conspiracy theory no matter how stuck for new ideas they were. Our genepool was badly in need of being added to and stirred up a little. A genepool is exactly that, a pool and so finite and if not added to goes stagnant.
The banned user inferred that the entire population of some 1.5 billion people and who knows how many more who share the same origin spread around the world ALL shared the same negative characteristics she said she saw in a few she met and that is rule one page one of what is classed as a racist comment. She based that on meeting a handful out of 1.500.000.000 people. Count the zeros and tell me her assumptions were not racist in both tone and intent.
Bigbadjohn
04-04-09, 14:10
IMO, it's a very bad state of affairs if this "anti-racism" bullshit is permeating E-I.
Sky News and similar are completely insane sometimes in how left-wing they are. Like remember how they tried to completely destroy Jade Goody just because she said that prissy Indian should fuck off home if she didn't like it. It was just a bloody spate as is always happening in reality shows!
They treated like it was a flippin international incident with incitement to war!
Anyone intelligent knows it's a policy from the government in order to try to minimize the fact that we're selling out our homeland and our very GENEPOOL ITSELF to immigrants for the money the government can make off of them!!!
I'm not saying Patricia did anything wrong here, just that the topic creator should probably just fuck off back to China and have sex with the girls there.
here a good pic of nicegirlsarenice :p:D
http://www.channel4.com/assets/programmes/images/father-ted/series-3/episode-1/bunker-mentality/father-ted-s3e1-bunker-mentality_200x113.jpg
IMO, it's a very bad state of affairs if this "anti-racism" bullshit is permeating E-I.
Sky News and similar are completely insane sometimes in how left-wing they are. Like remember how they tried to completely destroy Jade Goody just because she said that prissy Indian should fuck off home if she didn't like it. It was just a bloody spate as is always happening in reality shows!
They treated like it was a flippin international incident with incitement to war!
Anyone intelligent knows it's a policy from the government in order to try to minimize the fact that we're selling out our homeland and our very GENEPOOL ITSELF to immigrants for the money the government can make off of them!!!
I'm not saying Patricia did anything wrong here, just that the topic creator should probably just fuck off back to China and have sex with the girls there.
Your views are odd given your complete devotion to an immigrant in this country.
Or is that escort an ok immigrant because she is white.
And given our gene pool produced a specimen like yourself that is surely argument enough that the gene pool needs an injection of new genes.
(btw is it true that you are so concerned about preserving the gene pool you are only having sex with your sister)
nicegirlsarenice
04-04-09, 15:46
Wow, looks like left-wing media has gotten to some of you guys as well. :confused:
As regards Jade Goody, the woman has suffered enough and being buried today so not commenting on her.
Your statement that the original poster should go back to China to procure the services denied him here based on race makes no sense and is as blinkered as some of the horse’s in the Grand National. If nothing else think of the carbon footprint implications to the planet if your way of thinking became the norm and every punter who through happenstance and history had to travel to what ever corner he hailed from. Follow your thinking to its logical conclusion and all punters the world over would end up in East Africa.
How do you know he was not born here as people from various Asian nations have been here for substantially longer then most of the newer arrivals. If born here then he is Irish so entitled based on your new order to visit Celtic, red haired, harp playing, set dancing escorts as much as he wants or can find.
To say that it’s the ‘”policy” of the government to somehow water down our genetics to increase tax take is ridiculous and even the BNF would not arrive at that conspiracy theory no matter how stuck for new ideas they were. Our genepool was badly in need of being added to and stirred up a little. A genepool is exactly that, a pool and so finite and if not added to goes stagnant.
The banned user inferred that the entire population of some 1.5 billion people and who knows how many more who share the same origin spread around the world ALL shared the same negative characteristics she said she saw in a few she met and that is rule one page one of what is classed as a racist comment. She based that on meeting a handful out of 1.500.000.000 people. Count the zeros and tell me her assumptions were not racist in both tone and intent.
1. There would be less of a carbon footprint if they didn't come here to begin with.
2. He may be born here, in which case I would have more sympathy with him. But to try to badmouth escorts and call them racist just because they don't want to have sex for money, isn't right.
You think it's okay to pressurise girls into having sex with people so as not to be considered racist? If so you're off your rocker. I'm sure midgets or extremely fat people and sometimes disabled people also may have to deal with girls backing out of it. They have a lot more to complain about because at least they're the same breed as the person and they can't help it. China man can go back to China.
3. It's the policy of the government in part because of the immigrants making so much money for the economy, at least during the boom. I don't see what problem you could have with this... it's not a conspiracy or anything just an observation. Anyone would agree the government likes the immigrants for what they bring to the economy.
4. Inbreeding causes a species to be very unhealthy. However breeding with other races can be just as bad.
Even if this WERE true, why can't white people go there and fuck all of their women and settle down there as well? That's what true equality would be.
5. And like I said, maybe Patricia was right to ban her. I'm just saying it's a slippery slope to pressurising girls into having sex with men they may very much not want to, just to avoid being called racist.
6. I have NOTHING against people who are of a different race.
China man can go back to China where he belongs. That is not a racist remark.
Best thing that ever happened is low cost airlines, now everyone can explore the planet, cross breed and become mongrels and do away with this racist crap!! The sooner the better also, ffs were all Human from planet Earth. At least then if i say i don't like someone they can't throw the racist card at me (i might add the least racist person you could know) i would gladly except any nationality into my home / family..
nicegirlsarenice
04-04-09, 16:24
Anna, do you believe that a person should allow his own genes to be pushed out and mixed for the sake of immigrants who come here for MONEY?
And that our own lineage should be sold out for these guys and their stupid political correctness and for money? It would be like a prostitute having children for men she saw except much, much worse. The damage they do to our line would be irreparable.
How DARE you people do that to our own people and our own ancestry. Shame on you all. If it were up to people like the ones that criticised me the only Irish left would be half-Irish, then quarter Irish with a smaller and smaller population while in China it would be full Chinese.
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Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 16:39
Best thing that ever happened is low cost airlines, now everyone can explore the planet, cross breed and become mongrels and do away with this racist crap!! The sooner the better also, ffs were all Human from planet Earth. At least then if i say i don't like someone they can't throw the racist card at me (i might add the least racist person you could know) i would gladly except any nationality into my home / family..
what your saying is right.We are all humans and are all from the same planet and are all entitled to the same treatment but the problem arises in the different expectations of the various nationalities based on their upbringing,past experiences,future desires.etc.
Show me someone from a war torn country,someone from a peaceful country and someone from a former communist state and you show me three vary different ppl is what their expectations are.
To give an example.Do you know that alot of Eastern Europeans on the dole in this country are still earning more in a week on the dole than a week of wages back home?So they stay here?This is a fact,not just my making it up.So would my coming along saying that this ,Eastern Europeans siging on the dole because they are still better off,will destroy this countries finances,be racism?Hardly.Its an opinion ,based on what i have heard.
Same goes for cultures.Take some muslum countries.If a woman commits infidelity she gets stoned to death.How in Gods name could you mix this (wether right or wrong) type of culture with a one which doesnt have this approach?You cant,not without saying one is not acceptable AKA racism or discrimination ,in the laws of the law.One country worships a hairy metaler,another cows,another a bald guy in a orange cardigan,another some guy up a tree.How could anyone expect any of these to coexist ,espeicially in light of how stcuk up most religons are and how narrowminded they become in their views.
Sorry but this racism is taking way out of context in 99% of its apparent arisals.Sure ,nobody should be hassled just because they look differently just as much as nobody should be criticised and referred to as a racist,just because of an opinion,an opinion which neither interferes or deprives the so called victim of something.
Racism is wrong but it should be kept in context,
Westside.
Anna, do you believe that a person should allow his own genes to be pushed out and mixed for the sake of immigrants who come here for MONEY?
And that our own lineage should be sold out for these guys and their stupid political correctness and for money? It would be like a prostitute having children for men she saw except much, much worse. The damage they do to our line would be irreparable.
How DARE you people do that to our own people and our own ancestry. Shame on you all. If it were up to people like the ones that criticised me the only Irish left would be half-Irish, then quarter Irish with a smaller and smaller population while in China it would be full Chinese.
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God your a moron.
First of Chopsuey was looking for a ride not for the Escort to have his child
Secondly the Escort in question is a immigrant
Thirdly a lineage that produces something like yourself has shown beyond doubt it needs a fresh input.
To give an example.Do you know that alot of Eastern Europeans on the dole in this country are still earning more in a week on the dole than a week of wages back home?So they stay here?This is a fact,not just my making it up.So would my coming along saying that this ,Eastern Europeans siging on the dole because they are still better off,will destroy this countries finances,be racism?Hardly.Its an opinion ,based on what i have heard.
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They would only be entitled to the dole here if they have worked and fulfill the criteria (ie have enough stamps) they are getting what they paid tax and PSRI in this country for they are as entitled to it as anybody else. So yes it is bigoted to suggest you allow people to come here to live and work and pay tax and then if they are unfortunate to loose their job complain that they are getting more dole money than they would have got in their original country.
nicegirlsarenice
04-04-09, 16:50
God your a moron.
First of Edison was looking for a ride not for the Escort to have his child
Secondly the Escort in question is a immigrant
Thirdly a lineage that produces something like yourself has shown beyond doubt it needs a fresh input.
Just shut the fuck up cal. You're just writing stuff you know is wrong or irrelevant or nothing what I was trying to say.
I can't even argue with you it's such nonsense.
GOD I HATE YOU.
Just shut the fuck up cal. You're just writing stuff you know is wrong or irrelevant.
No your just an illiterate moron arguing about your lineage being protected when the OP of Asian origin complained that a Latvian escort would not have sex with him.
How in the name of sweet jesus does that effect you ********* to protect your lineage.
Just shut the fuck up cal. You're just writing stuff you know is wrong or irrelevant or nothing what I was trying to say.
I can't even argue with you it's such nonsense.
GOD I HATE YOU.
You can't argue because you are an ***** that has little grasp on reality at the best of times.
So when are you going to tell the immigrant escort that you follow around like a lapdog that she should go back to Latvia.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 17:04
Anna, do you believe that a person should allow his own genes to be pushed out and mixed for the sake of immigrants who come here for MONEY?
And that our own lineage should be sold out for these guys and their stupid political correctness and for money? It would be like a prostitute having children for men she saw except much, much worse. The damage they do to our line would be irreparable.
How DARE you people do that to our own people and our own ancestry. Shame on you all. If it were up to people like the ones that criticised me the only Irish left would be half-Irish, then quarter Irish with a smaller and smaller population while in China it would be full Chinese.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5872/fatherted.gif
The Irish culture will be destroyed and will will be like the red Indians of North America.Speaking of America,the Red Indians are the only true North Americans.The rest are all sorts of different mixed cultures but the original North American natives virtually died out.Now it would be sad to see this happen in Ireland unless its Kerry:).
Before anyone goes there ,yes i would go out with a girl of a different nationality to mine.Yes i would grow babies if i liked her enough and yes i would like to spend the rest of my life with her, depending on how well she looks after me:)
My prob is this.Near me we have a black guy and an estern european woman.Neither work or have no intentions of it.They have a child,get rent allowance,childrens allowance,medical cards,etc and we have Irish ppl dying on the sts and hard working ppl in this country shitting themselves as well as some ,say paws for example,to be fair to him,having to go and work abroad.Its getting comical.
If i were to go to some countries and try and live off them like that ,i would be beaten to death by them.
Foreign ppl are welcome in this country,they are welcome to stay in this country,as long as they contribute,equally to this country.Then stay but to be here and bum and send all of the bum money out of the country.Fuck that.Collins and the men of 1916 would turn in their graves at this and who would blame them and funny thing,those very hypocrites whose parties are offshoots of these mens organisations,are allowing it.
What next Hong Kong All Ireland Football champions 2020? 100,000,000,000 mixed race and 12 Irish?Bollox to that.
Im no racist ,heres my home,my car ,my animals.I dont want them ,oh my jocks who can have those too:rolleyes:
Take the Dail now.Jesus Christ.Back in 1920 or so Dev stood up and said "as a protest my deputies and i are leaving this house".A short while later ,the doors of the post office get blown off and the country goes to war and they did have a reason for it.
Now.LOL What a joke.
You ass.
That shouldnt be tolerated in this house.
Order, Order in the house,
I wont be spoken to like that ,its not my fault.Im still not saying how much we must borrow though.
Like a bunch of school children fighting.Order this and order that and name calling and sad faces.On one side we have a tantrum thrower,the other side a guy with the fire and charisma of a dead tom cat and the other side a man who apparently is more concerned with his underpants on the walls of a gallery than explaining to the Irish ppl what the state of the country is.He gives a reason for his outburst or his "over reaction" but in the house ,still wouldnt say what the state of the countries finances are.
calm,1,2,3,4,5,6................................................................ .............
Westside.
FFS,
Westside.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 17:08
They would only be entitled to the dole here if they have worked and fulfill the criteria (ie have enough stamps) they are getting what they paid tax and PSRI in this country for they are as entitled to it as anybody else. So yes it is bigoted to suggest you allow people to come here to live and work and pay tax and then if they are unfortunate to loose their job complain that they are getting more dole money than they would have got in their original country.
under the rules who have to be genuinely looking and capable of working to get the dole.Obviously im not saying all are like this but i am saying quite a few are.They are hardly going to go back home when they can make more on the dole here than working there.
The fact is we cannot afford to have ppl doing this.We literally dont have the money to pay it all out.This is a fact so something has to change.
so sorry its not in those cases,
Westside.
The Irish culture will be destroyed and will will be like the red Indians of North America.Speaking of America,the Red Indians are the only true North Americans.The rest are all sorts of different mixed cultures but the original North American natives virtually died out.Now it would be sad to see this happen in Ireland unless its Kerry:).
Before anyone goes there ,yes i would go out with a girl of a different nationality to mine.Yes i would grow babies if i liked her enough and yes i would like to spend the rest of my life with her, depending on how well she looks after me:)
My prob is this.Near me we have a black guy and an estern european woman.Neither work or have no intentions of it.They have a child,get rent allowance,childrens allowance,medical cards,etc and we have Irish ppl dying on the sts and hard working ppl in this country shitting themselves as well as some ,say paws for example,to be fair to him,having to go and work abroad.Its getting comical.
If i were to go to some countries and try and live off them like that ,i would be beaten to death by them.
Foreign ppl are welcome in this country,they are welcome to stay in this country,as long as they contribute,equally to this country.Then stay but to be here and bum and send all of the bum money out of the country.Fuck that.Collins and the men of 1916 would turn in their graves at this and who would blame them and funny thing,those very hypocrites whose parties are offshoots of these mens organisations,are allowing it.
What next Hong Kong All Ireland Football champions 2020? 100,000,000,000 mixed race and 12 Irish?Bollox to that.
Im no racist ,heres my home,my car ,my animals.I dont want them ,oh my jocks who can have those too:rolleyes:
Take the Dail now.Jesus Christ.Back in 1920 or so Dev stood up and said "as a protest my deputies and i are leaving this house".A short while later ,the doors of the post office get blown off and the country goes to war and they did have a reason for it.
Now.LOL What a joke.
You ass.
That shouldnt be tolerated in this house.
Order, Order in the house,
I wont be spoken to like that ,its not my fault.Im still not saying how much we must borrow though.
Like a bunch of school children fighting.Order this and order that and name calling and sad faces.On one side we have a tantrum thrower,the other side a guy with the fire and charisma of a dead tom cat and the other side a man who apparently is more concerned with his underpants on the walls of a gallery than explaining to the Irish ppl what the state of the country is.He gives a reason for his outburst or his "over reaction" but in the house ,still wouldnt say what the state of the countries finances are.
calm,1,2,3,4,5,6................................................................ .............
Westside.
FFS,
Westside.
If you have a point could you just highlight it.
How come every racist rant has
Im no racist in it
under the rules who have to be genuinely looking and capable of working to get the dole.Obviously im not saying all are like this but i am saying quite a few are.They are hardly going to go back home when they can make more on the dole here than working there.
The fact is we cannot afford to have ppl doing this.We literally dont have the money to pay it all out.This is a fact so something has to change.
so sorry its not in those cases,
Westside.
And there are an awful lot of Irish people like that as well so why just pick on the foreign nationals.
There are rules to receiving the dole as long as people meet those rules it should not make a jot of difference where they came from originally
BTW
There are 522 escorts advertising on here today
Less than 20 are irish,
You want to send the immigrants back where they came from say goodbye to your punting days
( Of course nicegirlsarenice ******)
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 17:27
And there are an awful lot of Irish people like that as well so why just pick on the foreign nationals.
There are rules to receiving the dole as long as people meet those rules it should not make a jot of difference where they came from originally
thats true.If you are asking me that i think its ok that hard working foreigner is sent home but a lazy Irish bum is ok,i dont agree with that but there is such a thing as looking after your own first.We are not a rich country,never were and never will be.Alot of our so called wealth is built on invisible borrowings.We simply cannot afford to keep ppl in this country just because they are getting more on the dole than they would if they worked at home.We just cannot afford it.This is the fact of the matter.
Does a hard working Irishman allow a foreign family to stay with him and feed them while his own childrens quality of life diminishes?Nobody should be expected to do this so why should this country be expected to do it too?We are a nation of idiots thats why.Next Tues most of the ppl of this country will look towards the future with a tightened disposable income bracket and a cload of worry over their heads.Those very same ppl ,some of whom might need to sell their homes,sell their cars etc will all sit there and cry all the while referring to ppl who think the country is too small for everyone as racists.Its comical when you consider it for a moment.
Westside.
And there are an awful lot of Irish people like that as well so why just pick on the foreign nationals.
There are rules to receiving the dole as long as people meet those rules it should not make a jot of difference where they came from originally
thats true.If you are asking me that i think its ok that hard working foreigner is sent home but a lazy Irish bum is ok,i dont agree with that but there is such a thing as looking after your own first.We are not a rich country,never were and never will be.Alot of our so called wealth is built on invisible borrowings.We simply cannot afford to keep ppl in this country just because they are getting more on the dole than they would if they worked at home.We just cannot afford it.This is the fact of the matter.
Does a hard working Irishman allow a foreign family to stay with him and feed them while his own childrens quality of life diminishes?Nobody should be expected to do this so why should this country be expected to do it too?We are a nation of idiots thats why.Next Tues most of the ppl of this country will look towards the future with a tightened disposable income bracket and a cload of worry over their heads.Those very same ppl ,some of whom might need to sell their homes,sell their cars etc will all sit there and cry all the while referring to ppl who think the country is too small for everyone as racists.Its comical when you consider it for a moment.
Westside.
They are here because they are entitled to be here.
Where they came from is irrelevant they worked here they paid tax they are entitled to the same supports as any one else when they fall on hard times.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 17:33
BTW
There are 522 escorts advertising on here today
Less than 20 are irish,
You want to send the immigrants back where they came from say goodbye to your punting days
( Of course nicegirlsarenice would still have his sister)
but they should legalise the industry and open up an extreamly profibale revenie strem for the gov.
Westside.
but they should legalise the industry and open up an extreamly profibale revenie strem for the gov.
Westside.
Escorting is not illegal
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 17:44
They are here because they are entitled to be here.
Where they came from is irrelevant they worked here they paid tax they are entitled to the same supports as any one else when they fall on hard times.
lets say you have two kids.One of them is sick and needs treatment but for whatever reason you cant afford to get that treatment for the child or cant get any funding from the gov.Do you think that having half of Eastern Europe on the dole here would have anything to do with that?Would it be unreasonable of you to crib about it?Of course it wouldnt.
Im not saying that they arent entitled to it,they are.What im saying is that the reality of the situation is our country cant afford this.Remember we can no longer slash our interest rates.That is in the hands of the ECB.All we can do is borrow and repay and i think its a disgrace,an absolute fuckin disgrace that we have to borrow so much to keep things afloat while at the same time house half of the EU here.
If they had standarised the wgaes throughout the EU to some degree we wouldnt have this mess now.We are eitehr a union or not.It cannot be halfway.This is why the UK are so slow to accept the European Union concept.Its because they have first hand experience of whats coming to us.Its just that they are a reasonably rich country.We are not.
Westside.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 17:47
Escorting is not illegal
show me an escort that can do buisness without soliciting in some shape or form.Thats why they charge for their time and companionship and what happens happens because they fall madly in love with their clients always.Its not illegal to solicite for companionship,it is for sexual purposes with the prspects of payment for those purposes.
Westside.
lets say you have two kids.One of them is sick and needs treatment but for whatever reason you cant afford to get that treatment for the child or cant get any funding from the gov.Do you think that having half of Eastern Europe on the dole here would have anything to do with that?Would it be unreasonable of you to crib about it?Of course it wouldnt.
Im not saying that they arent entitled to it,they are.What im saying is that the reality of the situation is our country cant afford this.Remember we can no longer slash our interest rates.That is in the hands of the ECB.All we can do is borrow and repay and i think its a disgrace,an absolute fuckin disgrace that we have to borrow so much to keep things afloat while at the same time house half of the EU here.
If they had standarised the wgaes throughout the EU to some degree we wouldnt have this mess now.We are eitehr a union or not.It cannot be halfway.This is why the UK are so slow to accept the European Union concept.Its because they have first hand experience of whats coming to us.Its just that they are a reasonably rich country.We are not.
Westside.
No I would not crib about it because the two thing are completely unrelated I might crib about a lazy bastard that would not do a days work in a fit but it would have nothing to do with where he or she was born.
LOL At least try and keep in touch with reality on some level there 500 million people living in the EU bit of an exaggeration to suggest half of them are in Ireland.
And hello that is the rules of the club we signed upto they are here because they are entitled to be here.
BTW I hate to throw a spanner in the works of your so well worked out political theories but if we follow your logic then we could expect the Britain to send back all the Irish living there even on just irish born would be around a million people and if we go to those with irish citizenship thats about 2 million so I can't see any huge savings in following your policy of send them home we would be worse off. LMAO
Quarterpoundher
04-04-09, 18:13
1. There would be less of a carbon footprint if they didn't come here to begin with.
I dare say the fellas who watched Columbus step of the boat might had thought the same way about the shocking cost to the environment in all the timber that went into making the boats that bought him but does that mean he should have stayed at home? It would have been better for the inhabitants if he did but look at what followed eventually from the carbon foot print of those three ships? His footprint in the sand ultimately led to a footprint on the moon.
How do we know one of those coming here will not come up with some planet saving way to generate power. If you follow your argument then Einstein would be just another victim of the Nazis but he contributed a little to the carbon footprint by going to the US and changed the course of history.
2. He may be born here, in which case I would have more sympathy with him. But to try to badmouth escorts and call them racist just because they don't want to have sex for money, isn't right.
I don’t see where he badmouthed her. If what happened did happen then all he did was highlight it.
You think it's okay to pressurise girls into having sex with people so as not to be considered racist? If so you're off your rocker. I'm sure midgets or extremely fat people and sometimes disabled people also may have to deal with girls backing out of it. They have a lot more to complain about because at least they're the same breed as the person and they can't help it. China man can go back to China.
Don’t put words in my mouth . If you read my post you’ll see I never said that. She is perfectly within her rights to choose as she sees fit. I only said that what was not acceptable was for her to infer (and is what got her banned) that one fifth of the worlds population were all the same as her alleged negative encounters. If she had slept with 1.5 billion Chinese and found that to be the case then that would be different but as I suspect she has not then all she did was to generalize and pigeon hole entire sections of people based on a handful of interactions which is the cornerstone upon which racist stereotypes are built and propagate.
3. It's the policy of the government in part because of the immigrants making so much money for the economy, at least during the boom. I don't see what problem you could have with this... it's not a conspiracy or anything just an observation. Anyone would agree the government likes the immigrants for what they bring to the economy.
I don’t have a problem with the government not so long ago actively encouraging people from overseas here as for one the economy was screaming out for people at the time and secondly diversity is good. Who wants to see the same drab monotony of faces with the same background everywhere you look.
What I do have issue with is you saying that we have somehow sold our DNA into the bargain. Big deal if we have. That’s been done several times over in our history via conquest and the conquers being ultimately absorbed into the mix. It is almost certain that you have Scandinavian or Anglo Saxon DNA in you. That’s foreign DNA its just we don’t see it as that because its been part of us for so long. The only difference this time around is that it was economic factors that brought people here and some of them are now adding to the mix just as before.
4. Inbreeding causes a species to be very unhealthy. However breeding with other races can be just as bad.
Well if we are damned if we do and damned if we don’t then what does it matter?
Even if this WERE true, why can't white people go there and fuck all of their women and settle down there as well? That's what true equality would be.
I think a little guy with a moustache said something similar but it back fired a little on him.
5. And like I said, maybe Patricia was right to ban her. I'm just saying it's a slippery slope to pressurising girls into having sex with men they may very much not want to, just to avoid being called racist.
Patricia in no way has started a slippery slope or pressuised anyone to do anything. She was banned for racist comments inferring negative attributes to everyone based on the alledged interactions with a few.
You say it’s a slippery slope so what happens if racism is allowed free reign here and some one see that as the green light to attack a non national escort? How is that not a slippery slope?. She made racist remarks and had to be banned. Simple as that so no point trying to dress it up as left wing media mind fucking everyone into being lead by the nose. Read her post. Its plain as day.
6. I have NOTHING against people who are of a different race.
Glad to hear it. I never said you had.
China man can go back to China where he belongs. That is not a racist remark.
Well it is because he/she belongs where ever they want to belong. A Taiwanese cannot go back to China now can he so would you force him back to a Communist regime even though he lived all his life in a democracy? Or the Veitnamese who fled in boats ?
I hear what your saying about the danger of an Escort being branded as racist for not wanting to see certain nationalities but that is not what got her banned.
nicegirlsarenice
04-04-09, 18:20
Are you joking me QPH?
Someone belongs whereever they want to belong?
And we should all make sure they belong here? What a JOKE!!!!
So I automatically belong in Tokyo or in the Congo if I want to belong there???
Also I LOVE the way you just gloss over DESTROYING OUR ENTIRE LINEAGE OF ANCESTRY OVER IMMIGRANTS HELPING THE ECONOMY A LITTLE BIT!!!!!!!!
I'm sending a pm to Anna about this right now. :(
I'm sending a pm to Anna about this right now. :(
LOL Are you going to tell her that you think that she should go home.
Is Anna affecting your lineage by making you not want to have sex with your sister.
experienced punter
04-04-09, 18:27
under the rules who have to be genuinely looking and capable of working to get the dole.Obviously im not saying all are like this but i am saying quite a few are.They are hardly going to go back home when they can make more on the dole here than working there.
The fact is we cannot afford to have ppl doing this.We literally dont have the money to pay it all out.This is a fact so something has to change.
so sorry its not in those cases,
Westside.
Though we should bear in mind the differences in wage rates over in east european countries compared to here average 60p.w, therefore Ireland is seen as very attractive & is being exploited for this reason I have seen numerous cases & read about it in papers e.g foreign workers signing on here for the dole getting Ryanair flights to work in England back & forward, two foreign guys I worked with 2yrs ago havent worked since they say there is 'no need' as this is such a 'generous' country this is widespread, annoying when u pay taxes...
Keep our well behaved visitors and send the travellers, travelling?
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Though we should bear in mind the differences in wage rates over in east european countries compared to here average 60p.w, therefore Ireland is seen as very attractive & is being exploited for this reason I have seen numerous cases & read about it in papers e.g foreign workers signing on here for the dole getting Ryanair flights to work in England back & forward, two foreign guys I worked with 2yrs ago havent worked since they say there is 'no need' as this is such a 'generous' country this is widespread, annoying when u pay taxes...
Look it is as simple as
They meet the requirements they are entitled to the Dole
They break the rules the same as everyone else they lose that entitlement it makes no difference if they are Irish born or anywhere else.
Plenty of Irish people fiddling as well and plenty of them that would not work in a fit everyone is entitled to be treated equally no matter where they originally came from or how much better or worse it is there.
Quarterpoundher
04-04-09, 18:38
Are you joking me QPH?
Someone belongs whereever they want to belong?
And we should all make sure they belong here? What a JOKE!!!!
So I automatically belong in Tokyo or in the Congo if I want to belong there???
Also I LOVE the way you just gloss over DESTROYING OUR ENTIRE LINEAGE OF ANCESTRY OVER IMMIGRANTS HELPING THE ECONOMY A LITTLE BIT!!!!!!!!
I'm sending a pm to Anna about this right now. :(
Again you are evading my points so I will clarify what I mean by anyone can belong where they want to belong.
I meant that in this instance a person who is of Chinese decent for example who resides in the West is free to do so but you seem to be suggesting they be forcibly repatriated. I did not mean anyone can up sticks and go where they want regardless of the impact that would have on the receiving country. It was you who suggested that we should be allowed to go over there and do what we want in the interests as you put it of “equality”
We did a fair job of fecking up our own culture in the years between independence and the influx of other people here on top of the what happened in the pre independence era so do not even attempt to lay the blame at anyone other then ourselves. How is a few people coming here to make a few bob supposed to have lead to what you are claiming. it is nothing more then shifting the blame.
Stop yer bitchen. Jeez you think its the first time you were ever rejected. If a girl wont have sex with you find someone who will. ff sake its just your ego taken a knock. Grow up seriously
I'm actually surprised this issue has taken this long to raise it's ugly little head here.....
IMO this country has never been as racially tolerant as it would like to believe, and I believe in the "current economic climate" many will show their true colours.......
I think the "foreigners coming over here taking our jobs" comments that we've all heard whispered around will be heard a lot more, and louder than ever...
This whole situation is breeding racism, and people are lashing out in a way that they wouldn't normally.........
Actually, maybe racism is a little strong to describe what's going on, but sadly it looks a bit like that...
To be honest I think this country has become a nation of lazy, spoilt, snobby, greedy whingers.....
Don't get me wrong, I love my country, but the "Celtic tiger" changed a generation....
People are upset, some have lost jobs, seen their wages drop and mostly through no fault of their own, and want something or somebody to blame. That's understandable! It's human nature.......
But the fact is, many of the lower paid jobs in this country were, and still are being filled by non nationals, and the truth of the matter is, over the last number of years, the jobs that many here would not do because they felt those jobs below them, they would now take your arm off for, but are already filled by non nationals....
Irish people have taken to long in adjusting their wage expectations......
Non nationals came here to fill an employment gap created in this country and now that it's dried up many want them to go, or be sent home again......Regardless of what many may want, or think should happen, this will not happen......
I'm not going to comment on, or respond to individual comments already made here, many have made lots of good points..... It's something that people are passionate about and all are entitled to their opinions......... within reason.....
This is just my opinion......... agree, disagree or lambaste me for if..... I don't care....
But people do need to remember this, we Irish have spread ourselves all over the world, we're famous for if, we went where we could, when we needed to, and made the best of it, I'm sure we weren’t always welcomed with open arms, but many persevered and carved out a life for themselves where they could..... As romantic as it may sound, don't tell me all who left these shores didn't do so for very similar reasons that people come here for.......
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 21:12
No I would not crib about it because the two thing are completely unrelated I might crib about a lazy bastard that would not do a days work in a fit but it would have nothing to do with where he or she was born.
LOL At least try and keep in touch with reality on some level there 500 million people living in the EU bit of an exaggeration to suggest half of them are in Ireland.
And hello that is the rules of the club we signed upto they are here because they are entitled to be here.
BTW I hate to throw a spanner in the works of your so well worked out political theories but if we follow your logic then we could expect the Britain to send back all the Irish living there even on just irish born would be around a million people and if we go to those with irish citizenship thats about 2 million so I can't see any huge savings in following your policy of send them home we would be worse off. LMAO
so try wholebrain functioning.
As far as the Irish in UK goes,lots of Irish fought against the Germans in WW2.I have quite a few great grand uncles or whatever that died fighting for the British so damn right they give us something like jobs.We helped rebuild the very place and we helped protect too.
In that era there was a post war boom in building,money was actually visible and there was no money crisis as there is now.
Now tell me what did Poland do for us?As a way of gratutude to them for ??????????????They did nothing.Sorry actually they did do one thing.They took there own ppl and shot them in concentration camps for the Nazis.
So thanks for throwing the spanner in my works.Since when did economics become so gloriously scientific anyway?
Tell you one thing,the goverment need to focus on creating what brings tax into their budget,jobs.The so called Celtic Tiger happened because of two reasons.Taxation rates came down leading to more disposable income ,leading to more spending and secondly we had the lowest corporations tax in the EU.The gov have to make it affordable for buisness again here and maybe next time they might make a half assed attempt to preserve domestic industries like farming and tourism.
Where is Eddie Hobbs with his ideas now????????
Eddie?Eddieeeee????
Westside.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 21:13
No I would not crib about it because the two thing are completely unrelated I might crib about a lazy bastard that would not do a days work in a fit but it would have nothing to do with where he or she was born.
LOL At least try and keep in touch with reality on some level there 500 million people living in the EU bit of an exaggeration to suggest half of them are in Ireland.
And hello that is the rules of the club we signed upto they are here because they are entitled to be here.
BTW I hate to throw a spanner in the works of your so well worked out political theories but if we follow your logic then we could expect the Britain to send back all the Irish living there even on just irish born would be around a million people and if we go to those with irish citizenship thats about 2 million so I can't see any huge savings in following your policy of send them home we would be worse off. LMAO
since Eastern Europe comes here and works for half Irish wages ,wouldnt half the unemployment benefits suit them too?
Westside.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 21:29
Though we should bear in mind the differences in wage rates over in east european countries compared to here average 60p.w, therefore Ireland is seen as very attractive & is being exploited for this reason I have seen numerous cases & read about it in papers e.g foreign workers signing on here for the dole getting Ryanair flights to work in England back & forward, two foreign guys I worked with 2yrs ago havent worked since they say there is 'no need' as this is such a 'generous' country this is widespread, annoying when u pay taxes...
We are all so different.There is very little standardisation of anything.How they possibly expect it to work?They should have standardised wages to some degree and money value too.
Its goofy from Irelands viewpoint.We dont need the EU.All we have acheived by joining is gave oyr control of interest rates away (something we could do with badly right now) and received mass immigration of unskilled low payed workers.We are realiant in the US.Isnt it very strange how we are going through our worst recession while they are going through theirs?The US multinationals moving their buisness out of Ireland are doing it because they are doing very poorly back in the US.
I do think Obama will turn things around but it will take time,hopefully sooner than later.In the meantime the Irish gov need to stop acting like amatuers and start focusing on solutions.This is very managable and we will come out of it but will we come out of it with lessons learned or will we just go back to the way we were and end up in the same position in another ten years from now?This is my biggest personal fear.That nothing will be learned from this and the banks and world monetary funds will hit a wall again but worse than this.
Focus on creating new jobs.Strengthen our home industries like farming and tourism,start focusing on renewable energy soucrces,start putting a top notch rail system in place (something the british put down and these idiots took up) and affordbale and realiable public transport in our cities,bring down the cost of running buisness in Ireland and control (not stop) but control immigration.
Hardly rocket science,
Westside.
so try wholebrain functioning.
As far as the Irish in UK goes,lots of Irish fought against the Germans in WW2.I have quite a few great grand uncles or whatever that died fighting for the British so damn right they give us something like jobs.We helped rebuild the very place and we helped protect too.
In that era there was a post war boom in building,money was actually visible and there was no money crisis as there is now.
Now tell me what did Poland do for us?As a way of gratutude to them for ??????????????They did nothing.Sorry actually they did do one thing.They took there own ppl and shot them in concentration camps for the Nazis.
Westside.
Westie do you seriously believe that the Irish went to England with the belief that they owed us jobs for fighting in WW2????
We weren't invited there....... Nobody said come on over because me owe you one.....
We went there, and all over the world because we had to, or wanted to......
What did we do for America that made so many go over there????
As for the red text above, I was going to put down something, but a remark like that doesn't deserve a comment, I wouldn't dignify it..:mad::mad::mad:
Passionate or not, from anybody, that comment is idiotic and offensive:mad::mad::mad:
Grow up and when you do let everybody know.....so you can be welcomed to the real world.....
Now tell me what did Poland do for us?As a way of gratutude to them for ??????????????They did nothing.Sorry actually they did do one thing.They took there own ppl and shot them in concentration camps for the Nazis.
Why would Poland owe Ireland over WW2? I'm lost?
BTW: In WW2, Poland was the 4th largest contributor to the Allied Forces.
Pat x
I have to defend the Poles as 5 of my staff on the E-I advertising team are Polish!
since Eastern Europe comes here and works for half Irish wages ,wouldnt half the unemployment benefits suit them too?
Westside.
I work with people from all over the world and they get paid the same rate as Irish people.
Besides if employers take advantage of foreign nationals that is the fault of employers not the person being exploited
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 21:57
[QUOTE=luther;77441]I'm actually surprised this issue has taken this long to raise it's ugly little head here.....
Ah sure what would the world be like without Thomas O' Singho?
IMO this country has never been as racially tolerant as it would like to believe, and I believe in the "current economic climate" many will show their true colours.......
I dont think any country is racially tolerant when it comes to the current economical climate.
This whole situation is breeding racism, and people are lashing out in a way that they wouldn't normally.........
People ra epissed off with being treated differently to them IN OUR OWN COUNTRY.We cant even say something without being referred to as a racist.To those groups who go around playing the racist card with regards to Irish concern over our own economy ,i sincerely and most respectfully say go and f yourselves.If you want me to lick your arses try and different flavoured lotion rub.
Actually, maybe racism is a little strong to describe what's going on, but sadly it looks a bit like that...
It doesnt look like racism.We have a goverment that wont say how much we have or what they are doing all the while our finances are being further lowered because of the lack of immagration control here.My answer is simple.dont have a job after three months then day ,day.go back home and sign on in your own country but feel free to come back to workj here,for the smae or similar to what Irish work for.And to those who say but my gf or bf or whoever it is will have to leave and we cany be together ,go with them.
To be honest I think this country has become a nation of lazy, spoilt, snobby, greedy whingers.....
I agree with this in a long way but i would not criticse any Irish person for being unhappy with immigrants signing on while they struggle and even those who work foreigh or Irish having to pay for them.
Don't get me wrong, I love my country, but the "Celtic tiger" changed a generation....
True.
People are upset, some have lost jobs, seen their wages drop and mostly through no fault of their own, and want something or somebody to blame. That's understandable! It's human nature.......
Look we have a recession,a budget deficit that will carry over for the next three to four budgets.Im sorry but when the gov say that it will be hard and that we all must suffer thats just not fing good enough when we have foreigners signung on because they get more that way then if they worked at home.Im not even going into medical crads.I dont think my heart would hold out.Im not blaming anyone,its pretty pointless buit like anything else the future is in our hands and we can do good or make a daddy bags of it and we simply cannot afford to keep going like this.something has to go and the easiest is the mass immigrants.
But the fact is, many of the lower paid jobs in this country were, and still are being filled by non nationals, and the truth of the matter is, over the last number of years, the jobs that many here would not do because they felt those jobs below them, they would now take your arm off for, but are already filled by non nationals....
Actually some of the medium paid jobs were made low paid be the non nationals.this is a fact as can be seen in construction.
Non nationals came here to fill an employment gap created in this country and now that it's dried up many want them to go, or be sent home again......Regardless of what many may want, or think should happen, this will not happen......
In the current economic crisis anythign could happen.Inl;ikely but possible still.
But people do need to remember this, we Irish have spread ourselves all over the world, we're famous for if, we went where we could, when we needed to, and made the best of it, I'm sure we weren’t always welcomed with open arms, but many persevered and carved out a life for themselves where they could..... As romantic as it may sound, don't tell me all who left these shores didn't do so for very similar reasons that people come here for....
We either earned it or were forced.America?Well everyone went to America so thats pretty much that.UK ,we earned it.We volunteered and fought in WW2.Lots of Irsih fought and died.We earned our right to work in the UK.Austrailia was pretty much a forced issu at the times of colonial powers and the British Empire.Also we did not go and work for f'all.We worked and if there wasnt any work we came back home.
Sincerely,
Westside.
so try wholebrain functioning.
As far as the Irish in UK goes,lots of Irish fought against the Germans in WW2.I have quite a few great grand uncles or whatever that died fighting for the British so damn right they give us something like jobs.We helped rebuild the very place and we helped protect too.
In that era there was a post war boom in building,money was actually visible and there was no money crisis as there is now.
Now tell me what did Poland do for us?As a way of gratutude to them for ??????????????They did nothing.Sorry actually they did do one thing.They took there own ppl and shot them in concentration camps for the Nazis.
So thanks for throwing the spanner in my works.Since when did economics become so gloriously scientific anyway?
Tell you one thing,the goverment need to focus on creating what brings tax into their budget,jobs.The so called Celtic Tiger happened because of two reasons.Taxation rates came down leading to more disposable income ,leading to more spending and secondly we had the lowest corporations tax in the EU.The gov have to make it affordable for buisness again here and maybe next time they might make a half assed attempt to preserve domestic industries like farming and tourism.
Where is Eddie Hobbs with his ideas now????????
Eddie?Eddieeeee????
Westside.
Honestly you want to try a bit of half brain functioning because it could only be a massive improvement on what you have achieved so far today.
Lets get this logic straight because some irish people fought in the British army nearly 70 years ago they somehow owe Irish people jobs, health care, unemployment benefit etc.
And polish people did not join the irish army decades ago to fight in a war we weren't involved in so we owe them nothing.
I see so it all comes down to world war 2 :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Well now that you have explained it I'm even more amazed at how out of touch with reality you really are.
Just think on this the boom would have collapsed long before it did if the various immigrants from around the world had not come here to fill the jobs that Irish people could not fill. They worked here they paid their way and they are as entitled to any benefits that derive from that as you or I.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 22:07
Westie do you seriously believe that the Irish went to England with the belief that they owed us jobs for fighting in WW2????
We weren't invited there....... Nobody said come on over because me owe you one.....
We went there, and all over the world because we had to, or wanted to......
What did we do for America that made so many go over there????
As for the red text above, I was going to put down something, but a remark like that doesn't deserve a comment, I wouldn't dignify it..:mad::mad::mad:
Passionate or not, from anybody, that comment is idiotic and offensive:mad::mad::mad:
Grow up and when you do let everybody know.....so you can be welcomed to the real world.....
its a fact whether you like it or not.They did nothing for anyone not even themselves.As far as growing up goes.
What im saying is that we went and helped build the UK again just like we went and fought against their enemies.
America.everyone brings that up.Name one nation.One that doesnt exist in America?
The Red Indians are the true Americans.The rest are made up of all differing nationalities and yes that includes Irish.
As for my red text,go and tell me that they didnt?They did.they took their own ppl,their very own flesh and blood and caged them,shot them.This is not me speaking but the history books.So i guess history is idiotic and offensive.
Growing up means having a mind of your own and the abilty to speak it so thanks for the encouragement.It also means being able to comment on fact ,in this case history and also avoidance of little faces on the screen.
Cheers,
Westside.
We are all so different.There is very little standardisation of anything.How they possibly expect it to work?They should have standardised wages to some degree and money value too.
Its goofy from Irelands viewpoint.We dont need the EU.All we have acheived by joining is gave oyr control of interest rates away (something we could do with badly right now) and received mass immigration of unskilled low payed workers.We are realiant in the US.Isnt it very strange how we are going through our worst recession while they are going through theirs?The US multinationals moving their buisness out of Ireland are doing it because they are doing very poorly back in the US.
I do think Obama will turn things around but it will take time,hopefully sooner than later.In the meantime the Irish gov need to stop acting like amatuers and start focusing on solutions.This is very managable and we will come out of it but will we come out of it with lessons learned or will we just go back to the way we were and end up in the same position in another ten years from now?This is my biggest personal fear.That nothing will be learned from this and the banks and world monetary funds will hit a wall again but worse than this.
Focus on creating new jobs.Strengthen our home industries like farming and tourism,start focusing on renewable energy soucrces,start putting a top notch rail system in place (something the british put down and these idiots took up) and affordbale and realiable public transport in our cities,bring down the cost of running buisness in Ireland and control (not stop) but control immigration.
Hardly rocket science,
Westside.
Honestly it is truly amazing how deluded you are.
The reason US companies come here is because we are in the EU it's not because of a fondness for paddies its because we have give them access to a market of 500 million people we speak english and we have a low corporation tax and upto recently we were fairly low cost economy.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 22:14
I have to defend the Poles as 5 of my staff on the E-I advertising team are Polish
No surprise.Keeping the costs down.How much are you paying them?Or am i a racist for asking?Per hour ,how much?????Why are you employing Poles when you could employ Irish?Just wondering.
I stand over what i say.We bled and suffered for England and helped them build their country back up again.Poland jumped on the wagon.Big difference.
Poland was the 4th largest contributor to the Allied Forces.
Like they had a choice.
Westside.
Now tell me what did Poland do for us? Sorry actually they did do one thing.They took there own ppl and shot them in concentration camps for the Nazis.
Westside.
You are implying that this is the one thing that the Polish did for us....
Are you for real???? Seriously????
its a fact whether you like it or not.They did nothing for anyone not even themselves.As far as growing up goes.
What im saying is that we went and helped build the UK again just like we went and fought against their enemies.
America.everyone brings that up.Name one nation.One that doesnt exist in America?
The Red Indians are the true Americans.The rest are made up of all differing nationalities and yes that includes Irish.
As for my red text,go and tell me that they didnt?They did.they took their own ppl,their very own flesh and blood and caged them,shot them.This is not me speaking but the history books.So i guess history is idiotic and offensive.
Growing up means having a mind of your own and the abilty to speak it so thanks for the encouragement.It also means being able to comment on fact ,in this case history and also avoidance of little faces on the screen.
Cheers,
Westside.
Any invaded occupied people will always have people amongst them who are willing to turn on their own people to feather their nest it was just as true here as it was in Poland or amongst the native Americans unfortunately traitors are a fact of live all over the world, they are not restricted to Poland.
But perhaps you should do a little research and open your mind before you open your mouth and reveal the true level of your ignorance.
Polish Resistance - AK / Main Page - English Edition (http://www.polishresistance-ak.org/Main%20Page.htm)
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 22:18
I work with people from all over the world and they get paid the same rate as Irish people.
Besides if employers take advantage of foreign nationals that is the fault of employers not the person being exploited
but there is alot of it going on.What your saying about the employers is a fair point too but it still doesnt alter the fact that we should be happy to have them do it.In order to compete on the employment market are the Irish expected to drop our wages to the equivalent level or just do without work?
Why does Patricia employ 5 Poles?Cheaper thats why.Right Sweetie?
Westside.
I have to defend the Poles as 5 of my staff on the E-I advertising team are Polish
No surprise.Keeping the costs down.How much are you paying them?Or am i a racist for asking?Per hour ,how much?????Why are you employing Poles when you could employ Irish?Just wondering.
I stand over what i say.We bled and suffered for England and helped them build their country back up again.Poland jumped on the wagon.Big difference.
Poland was the 4th largest contributor to the Allied Forces.
Like they had a choice.
Westside.
Why should she employ Irish people the company is based in the UK irish people are just immigrants there as much as Poles or anyone else.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 22:19
You are implying that this is the one thing that the Polish did for us....
Are you for real???? Seriously????
maybe i didnt word it good,
Westside.
but there is alot of it going on.What your saying about the employers is a fair point too but it still doesnt alter the fact that we should be happy to have them do it.In order to compete on the employment market are the Irish expected to drop our wages to the equivalent level or just do without work?
Why does Patricia employ 5 Poles?Cheaper thats why.Right Sweetie?
Westside.
No but you don't blame the people being exploited either.
You regulate you legislate and you organise what you don't do is victimise.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 22:22
Why should she employ Irish people the company is based in the UK irish people are just immigrants there as much as Poles or anyone else.
not once,
Westside.
not once,
Westside.
Never gave any thought seems to be how you operate
Why are you employing Poles when you could employ Irish?Just wondering.
Westside.
Ask any employer in this country in the retail sector, or the service industry, take for example, without putting any names down, there are lots that I could mention, a fast food type outlet..........
The manager puts a sigh in the window "staff required, apply within".....
After 1 week with the sign up, ask the manager what was the percentage of Irish V non Irish applicants.....
What do you think it would be 2 years ago????
What do you think it would be this week???
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 22:26
Any invaded occupied people will always have people amongst them who are willing to turn on their own people to feather their nest it was just as true here as it was in Poland or amongst the native Americans unfortunately traitors are a fact of live all over the world, they are not restricted to Poland.
But perhaps you should do a little research and open your mind before you open your mouth and reveal the true level of your ignorance.
Polish Resistance - AK / Main Page - English Edition (http://www.polishresistance-ak.org/Main%20Page.htm)
Didnt happen here much now did it?The IRA and the Irish Free State wasnt an issue of turning on our own.It was Civil war.Cant think of many examples of what your saying.By the way i could google all night and bring up links that contradict what your giving me.Thats the beauty of the net.I however dont know whether your ignorant or not so wont comment on whether you are or not.
Yawn,
Westside.
Tommy Singh
04-04-09, 22:33
Never gave any thought seems to be how you operate
it would be way easier.Anyway nice talking ,or should i say annoying you.Hopefully i wont have any human dingleberries hanging off my arsehole while i sleep.
Hes a right little dingleberry,
Westside,
but there is alot of it going on.What your saying about the employers is a fair point too but it still doesnt alter the fact that we should be happy to have them do it.In order to compete on the employment market are the Irish expected to drop our wages to the equivalent level or just do without work?
Why does Patricia employ 5 Poles?Cheaper thats why.Right Sweetie?
Westside.
Why do you think she employes them only because they are cheap? Maybe because they are good in what they do? Or do you want to explain me why majority of irish young people is soooo lazy, why they don't do their job properly? Who would you employe?? Hard working foreigner or useless Irishman because he is Irish..... I dont want to say that all Irish people are like that but that's what I see everyday...
What im saying is that we went and helped build the UK again just like we went and fought against their enemies.
Cheers,
Westside.
So we went and helped build the UK again just out of the goodness of your hearts, just to give them a hand like???
Ah sure and be gorra aren't we just great!!!
Do you think they sent word over that they needed a bit of a dig out or did we just know and arrive over???:rolleyes::rolleyes:
As for fighting against their ememies...... you think the brave Irish that went to fight were just fighting against "their ememies"........I think you'll find there was a bigger picture ......:rolleyes::rolleyes:
maybe i didnt word it good,
Westside.
I don't need to read it again, but I think you do......
And you're almost right this time...
It's not that "maybe" you didn't word it good.........
You "didn't" word it good......... or well.........
Oh and BTW Tommy, as a "Johnny foreigner" working over here yourself, I'd like to take this opportunity to wish you continued success with your "Indian takeaway in Cork", all Irish employed in there I hope:D:D:D
And should things take a turn for the worst, I'm sure you won't be considering the dole queue, I'm sure we can all rely on you honest approach and your ability to take your own advice, and do the right thing and return to where you came from with the rest of the "Johnny foreigners"........:D:D:D
As far as the Irish in UK goes,lots of Irish fought against the Germans in WW2.I have quite a few great grand uncles or whatever that died fighting for the British so damn right they give us something like jobs.
Somehow, with your views on foreigners in general and Poles in particular, I can easily picture you fighting for the other side. Certainly your friend nicegirlsarenice ,with his concern for racial purity, would have been quite at home in the Reich.
Didnt happen here much now did it?The IRA and the Irish Free State wasnt an issue of turning on our own.It was Civil war.Cant think of many examples of what your saying.By the way i could google all night and bring up links that contradict what your giving me.Thats the beauty of the net.I however dont know whether your ignorant or not so wont comment on whether you are or not.
Yawn,
Westside.
Who the fuck do you think was running the place for the Brits, how many Irish people took the Kings/Queens shilling and joined the British army.
Irish Soldiers of the British Army (http://www.doyle.com.au/irish_soldiers_of_the_british_ar.htm)
Sorry chaps but I've moved this thread to the toilet as its getting rather heated and OTT.
Love Ric xxx;)
Sorry chaps but I've moved this thread to the toilet as its getting rather heated and OTT.
Love Ric xxx;)
WTF
So any discussion where there is disagreement goes to Soap opera
You would want to fucking cop yourself on Ric jesus christ how long to you have to be a mod before you learn how to do it.
WTF
So any discussion where there is disagreement goes to Soap opera
You would want to fucking cop yourself on Ric jesus christ how long to you have to be a mod before you learn how to do it.
No Darling Stewie. A disagreement is fine. But things in this thread are getting a little too much.
A more balanced debate would be nice.:)
This is not a balanced debate.:(
This is Tommy Singh and nicegirlsarenice rambling crap and everyone pointing it out. It belongs down here.:D
No Darling Stewie. A disagreement is fine. But things in this thread are getting a little too much.
A more balanced debate would be nice.:)
This is not a balanced debate.:(
This is Tommy Singh and nicegirlsarenice rambling crap and everyone pointing it out. It belongs down here.:D
No ric you are on a one man mission to eliminate any activity on these forums the first time in about 3 months an interesting thread comes along and you sent it to the toilet.
Was it getting in the way of your embarrassing attempt to get girls to show you naked pictures:rolleyes:
No surprise.Keeping the costs down.How much are you paying them?Or am i a racist for asking?Per hour ,how much?????Why are you employing Poles when you could employ Irish?Just wondering.
Actually most of my staff are either English or American, because we are based in London and the US.
Only 5 of our staff are Polish.
We also have Irish, Czech, Spanish, Indian and various other nationalities staff.
No I don't pay Polish staff less than I'd pay any other nationality staff. What a ridiculous suggestion?
Probably one of the main reasons we have a lot of different nationalities staff is that UK/Irish/US people can be a bit prudish about sex/escorts so wouldn't necessarily want to work for a company like ours. Other nationalities like Polish for example are less prudish.
Also good staff treated well attract more good staff. Once staff start recruiting their friends, you often particular nationalities becoming more common.
Stop looking for exploitation where it isn't :rolleyes:
Oh and regards WW2, educate yourself...
Pat x
Just to post some facts on who the Irish actually are...
Genetically, in terms of Y-chromosomes and Mt-DNA, inhabitants of Ireland and Britain are closely related to the Basques. More so the Irish than the British.
The original Irish came from northern Spain around 9,ooo years ago and spread across the island into different tribes/peoples including the Airgialla, Fir Ol nEchmacht, Delbhna, Fir Bolg, Érainn, Eóganachta, Mairtine, Conmaicne, Soghain, and Ulaid.
The word Ireland itself came from Érainn. These people were based in south Munster.
Since then the Irish people mixed with Viking, Anglo-Norman, Anglo-Saxon, Flemish and other peoples/ethnic groups to create the people on this island. Over the course of these changes the original languages spoken were replaced with English along with many other religious and cultural changes.
So now in the 21st century the Irish are mixing with many other ethnic groups. These people will only add to the richness of our culture. A culture that will continue to change.
So if you do get into a rant about Ireland loosing its culture to the hoards of new settlers arriving please think, who are the Irish really?
Just a thought.:)
DollyDarling
05-04-09, 07:33
Sorry i type wrong, I was meant to say she walk towarded the window and look down at me from above, thats when she saw an asian guy on a mobile and askes if it was me before hung up.
Why did i guess so well u would notice if someone went and open window when suddenly she got lots of traffic noise in background. I am only assuming, but regardless she did express racist.
About 70% of my clientelle in NYC are asian men, mostly chinese. They are always clean and polite and I enjoy their company. I am not sure why she would not like asian men.:confused:
DollyDarling
05-04-09, 07:39
well chopy,
I'm in da same boat as u. I'm asian and I've seen Vanessa before when she still calls herself Gabriela.I even left a positive review.She didnt ask to know my nationality before hand and the appointment went on fine.Now that you mention it I guess i know the reason why she wouldn't take a 2nd booking from me.
I didnt think of it as a racist issue since the first appointment went fine just like any usual punt, but I guess unlike your case she didnt know I was asian until i was right outside her door and a bit too late for her to slam it, the 2nd time i rang her she would have known then.....
I dunno, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt since she was very enthusiastic and active during the appointment and if she was really racist then she did well enough to cheat me.
Like others who mention, there are plenty of other girls here waiting for your business, if she's so picky as an escort in these economical climate she can eat shit very soon.:rolleyes:
about not seeing asians, then she MUST MUST CLARIFY ON HER WEBSITE OR PROFILE so she doesnt waste your time and give you this horrible emotional blow. Its the last thing you need - a hit to your self esteem, just when you're on your way to see an escort for an instant pick-me-up, then she goes and gives you something else to worry about. Or how far did you drive to see her? Then if she rejects you, you have driven all that way for nothing. Its very rude for a girl to not say it clearly if she will not see certain races. She has her own issues for not seeing them, that you cant help, and she doesnt need to explain herself either, but it is completely disrespectful to not clarify this in advance.
DollyDarling
05-04-09, 07:45
This is totally offensive and it is why you are banned :mad::mad::mad:
Thats crazy to say what she said. I love Chinese men. They have all size cocks just like every race of man varies in size. These stereotypes are very unfair and cruel. Im not one to care at all on the size of a cock. Chinese men can have big or small cocks. Black men are not all big either. Ive seen big and small cocks on black men. And little minds has nothing to do with the size of a cock or a person's race. Yikes. I hope this girl changes her mind someday. It's not good to think such thoughts about people.
DollyDarling
05-04-09, 08:04
went there, and all over the world because we had to, or wanted to......
What did we do for America that made so many go over there????
We are so glad ye did come over :) We love the Irish. And I love the Irish and Irish cock.... Can you bring more of ye over here? Its lonely here in NYC without ye here with me
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 08:28
Ask any employer in this country in the retail sector, or the service industry, take for example, without putting any names down, there are lots that I could mention, a fast food type outlet..........
The manager puts a sigh in the window "staff required, apply within".....
After 1 week with the sign up, ask the manager what was the percentage of Irish V non Irish applicants.....
What do you think it would be 2 years ago????
What do you think it would be this week???
its about the construction industry more than anything else.No construction ,no homes built ,no homes built ,nothing purchased for them.The non nationals mainly Eastern European fucked our construction industry because they worked for f'all.I wouldnt work in the construction industry as i have no respect left for it or for those than run it.
Westside.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 08:35
Why do you think she employes them only because they are cheap? Maybe because they are good in what they do? Or do you want to explain me why majority of irish young people is soooo lazy, why they don't do their job properly? Who would you employe?? Hard working foreigner or useless Irishman because he is Irish..... I dont want to say that all Irish people are like that but that's what I see everyday...
whoever i would employ i would give an arm and a leg to keep them in employment which a lot of our smaller companies are doing.
I stand over what im saying all along.this country cannot afford to keep all of these non nationals here and expect to come out of this recession thriving.Mainly Eastern Europeans.
Am i saying all Eastern Europeans are bad workers or people that are not worth keeping?No i am not.What i am saying is that unless some control is shown ,we will cintinue to have probs.
Am i saying i dont like all Eastern Europeans?No i am not but i dont like most of them.Incidently i like most black ppl.Now how to i come to these conclusions?From my experience of them thats how.
A racist?I dont think so,
Westside.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 08:53
Actually most of my staff are either English or American, because we are based in London and the US.
Fair enough.Makes sense too.
Only 5 of our staff are Polish.
Ok.
We also have Irish, Czech, Spanish, Indian and various other nationalities staff.
I dont have any probs with those nationalities.
No I don't pay Polish staff less than I'd pay any other nationality staff. What a ridiculous suggestion?
You are hardly going to come along and say "yes i pemloy them because they are cheap labour.Its no more a ridiculous suggestion thatn somone saying "I have to defend Poles because 5 of my staff are Poles.
Probably one of the main reasons we have a lot of different nationalities staff is that UK/Irish/US people can be a bit prudish about sex/escorts so wouldn't necessarily want to work for a company like ours. Other nationalities like Polish for example are less prudish.
Fair enough but i can tell you something for free and dont ask me to go and find them please.I dotn read reviews much but i can tell you that i have seen some false ones everytime i did read them,that escaped and were allowed through.They were written in broken English by an escort or a frined of hers.Based on the username type (a Western punter) that is.
Also good staff treated well attract more good staff. Once staff start recruiting their friends, you often particular nationalities becoming more common.
True.
Stop looking for exploitation where it isn't
I am not looking for exploitation.I asked you qs and you answered them for me.I asked you why you employ them and you answered me so i was wrong on any possible assumption i made there.
Oh and regards WW2, educate yourself...
I am educated enough about it to know that if there were a repeat ,that i know what nationalities can be relied upon and what ones cannot but this then depends on which side they are on.Bear i mind that i havnt googles one thing in this discussion.For one thing a google search shows up ,it will also show up a differing viewpoint.
I use alot of throw away remarks.For instance when i say they took their own ppl and shot them ,im not saying that 100% of Poles took there own ppl and shot them,i am saying some did.When i say they will destroy the economy here ,i am not saying that all of them should be sent home or none of them are welcome or that all of them fall under this grouping.What i am saying is that alot of them do and thats why control needs to be established.
Its easy for you to sit their and say little about it when your money is made,when you dont have financial probs like alot of ppl here.Hell you dont even base your buisness in your home country but thats keeping out of the Irish jurisdiction in regards to advert laws and soliciting which is something that you have to do i guess.
I stand over all i say.The extenct of it ,i cant say for sure but i can say that in thye current economic crisis Ireland cannot afford to sit back and allowed a mass of foreigners claim welfare.We just dont have the money and all it will do is drive the taxes up more and lead to a cycle of more taxes = less disposable income,less disposable income = less spending = less spending less indirect taxes leading to more income taxes.
A fact whether ppl like it or not,
Westside.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 08:58
Just to post some facts on who the Irish actually are...
Genetically, in terms of Y-chromosomes and Mt-DNA, inhabitants of Ireland and Britain are closely related to the Basques. More so the Irish than the British.
The original Irish came from northern Spain around 9,ooo years ago and spread across the island into different tribes/peoples including the Airgialla, Fir Ol nEchmacht, Delbhna, Fir Bolg, Érainn, Eóganachta, Mairtine, Conmaicne, Soghain, and Ulaid.
The word Ireland itself came from Érainn. These people were based in south Munster.
Since then the Irish people mixed with Viking, Anglo-Norman, Anglo-Saxon, Flemish and other peoples/ethnic groups to create the people on this island. Over the course of these changes the original languages spoken were replaced with English along with many other religious and cultural changes.
So now in the 21st century the Irish are mixing with many other ethnic groups. These people will only add to the richness of our culture. A culture that will continue to change.
So if you do get into a rant about Ireland loosing its culture to the hoards of new settlers arriving please think, who are the Irish really?
Just a thought.:)
but all nationalities were formed via differing cultures.I also stand by what i am saying as far as our culture and breeding.The Irish as a nation will start dying off,our cultures will satrt dissapearing and we will end up with a Polish All Ireland Hurling team, or something.
We are simply too small a country to take a mass influx of foreigners and we are too poor a country to keep them all to,"all" being the operative work here.
Check out the sq area of UK and US along with their populations and now compare with Ireland.They are way bigger and richer than us.always were and always will be.
Westside.
PS i am aware that some of what i am saying may not sound nice but facts are facts and not all facts sound nice.
Great IM all for a more ethnic assimilated Ireland. We may actualy get a decent soccer team.
Brazilians mixed with Irish Black guys with read hair with names like Ronald O' Dinho and Robert O' Carlos Kaka Murphy etc
experienced punter
05-04-09, 09:27
I had sex with a lovely Polish girl 2 weeks ago 80 per hour Was I exploiting her coz her hourly rate was cheaper?:p
Alyssa Jenkins
05-04-09, 09:38
About 70% of my clientelle in NYC are asian men, mostly chinese. They are always clean and polite and I enjoy their company. I am not sure why she would not like asian men.:confused:
I must say I agree with all three of your posts Dolly. If an escort for any reason chooses not to see a certain type of person she should clearly state this and should never be questioned at her choice as we are all entitled to have choices of who we want to spend our time with. I have lived In Hong Kong and South East Asia for long periods and all I can say is this it is very multicultural out there alot of different nationalities and everyone seems to just get on fine in fact the people in HK treat the ex pats extremely well whereever they hail from. I have never ever experienced any problems with Asian men so to speak and in fact meet many of them in Ireland, Uk and pretty much everywhere I travel. I think the initial poster must have been angry at being humiliated by what Dolly suggests making the appointment, having the anticipation all reared up and then arriving there and being turned away this is understandable in the circumstances.Im sure there have been some of you that have made an appointment before and then when you have arrived after making a huge effort to be on time etc etc the lady hasnt been availible or just did not answer her phone the word of Dissapointment springs to mind here in this gents case humiliation as well as he saw her look out at him. I also agree that you cannot classify one nationality as being all the same as there are always things that make each and every human being different and unique. In life generally you get good and bad people and I dont believe that a race or nationality makes you essentially bad. I am sure there are good and bad everywhere in the world in each nation this should never be set on standards such as colour or race. As for Dick sizes I think Dolly has said it already.....
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 10:23
Good points.Amazing coming from a :)New Zealander.I am as amazed as you are here.:) Just kidding here.
I also agree that you cannot classify one nationality as being all the same as there are always things that make each and every human being different and unique.
This is true but its true from both ends also.Just as you say each and every human being different and unique,each and every nationality is also unique and this uniqueness is also going to be a good or bad thing depending on the circumstances.This doesnt make either one bad or racist ,only different.So different nationalities,different views but also different likes and dislikes and that unfortuanatly includes each other.Of course i can only speak generally because i havent met each and every one of the ppl.
In life generally you get good and bad people and I dont believe that a race or nationality makes you essentially bad. I am sure there are good and bad everywhere in the world in each nation this should never be set on standards such as colour or race
This of course is always true but it still doesnt alter the fact that certain ppl take to certain ppl in different ways.Unless they are breaking the law in some form or another then they are not racists.Remember racism is a serious crime and referring to someone as racist when they may not be ,is just as bad.
I want to make one thing very clear here.I am not a racist.I do however take to certain nationalities better than others.I also would adopt the same attitude that as far as the present situation in this country to any nationality.I dont generally like Eastern Europeans.It doesnt mean they are all bad,or that i see myself as superior,it means that i just cant take to them that great.Have i met nice ones?Defo.I met Marushka of Upmarket Models (cant remember what nationality she is), and found her very very nice and im saying this is a personal sense not an escort or buis sense.However it still doesnt alter the fact that if i dont like a certain type of nationality then i am a racist or would use racial tactics on them.It also doesnt alter the fatc that i believe that the Irish economy cannot afford to keep the ammount of Eastern Europeans that are residing here.
Also i find it mildly amusing that a guy complains of an escort being racist and uses a username of Chop Suey.Maybe she preferred Satay or Kung Po?Sort of like an Irishman cmplaining about racism under the username of Paddy.
Sincerely,
Westside.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 10:24
Great IM all for a more ethnic assimilated Ireland. We may actualy get a decent soccer team.
Brazilians mixed with Irish Black guys with read hair with names like Ronald O' Dinho and Robert O' Carlos Kaka Murphy etc
or Thomas and Finbar O' Singho,
LOL
Westside.
but all nationalities were formed via differing cultures.I also stand by what i am saying as far as our culture and breeding.The Irish as a nation will start dying off,our cultures will satrt dissapearing and we will end up with a Polish All Ireland Hurling team, or something.
We are simply too small a country to take a mass influx of foreigners and we are too poor a country to keep them all to,"all" being the operative work here.
Check out the sq area of UK and US along with their populations and now compare with Ireland.They are way bigger and richer than us.always were and always will be.
Westside.
PS i am aware that some of what i am saying may not sound nice but facts are facts and not all facts sound nice.
I think its a bit sad that you are that insecure.
whoever i would employ i would give an arm and a leg to keep them in employment which a lot of our smaller companies are doing.
I stand over what im saying all along.this country cannot afford to keep all of these non nationals here and expect to come out of this recession thriving.Mainly Eastern Europeans.
Am i saying all Eastern Europeans are bad workers or people that are not worth keeping?No i am not.What i am saying is that unless some control is shown ,we will cintinue to have probs.
Am i saying i dont like all Eastern Europeans?No i am not but i dont like most of them.Incidently i like most black ppl.Now how to i come to these conclusions?From my experience of them thats how.
A racist?I dont think so,
Westside.
You like black people therefor you can't be a racist :rolleyes::rolleyes:
That is the funniest shit you have written in a long time and that's saying something
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 12:59
I think its a bit sad that you are that insecure.
What im getting back from you are the oneliners of a guy that has his mind made up to disagree with me regardless because you and i havnt seen eye to eye.
Westside.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 13:02
You like black people therefor you can't be a racist :rolleyes::rolleyes:
That is the funniest shit you have written in a long time and that's saying something
All this suggests is the fact that your illiterate.Either that or your interpretations of something are constipated or a guy who has his mind made up to "try" and bother me whether he agrees or not.
Try Barnum and Baileys,i think that they are hiring at the mo.
Another bright one,
Westside.
What im getting back from you are the oneliners of a guy that has his mind made up to disagree with me regardless because you and i havnt seen eye to eye.
Westside.
Because your talking nonsense if you have the ability to come up with a reasoned argument lets hear it.
Your worried that foreign nationals will somehow undermine Irish culture and heritage that just suggests you are insecure about you own heritage and culture, not to mention that it suggests that you somehow think that you have to be genetically pure Irish ( if such a thing exists) to partake in Irish culture. So presumably you view yourself as being more Irish or a better Irish person than say the O'hAilpins or Jason Sherlock or Paul Mcgrath etc etc.
Open your mind what is good of Ireland will stay there are things we can learn from immigrants and things they can learn from us and we will all be the better from it. The we have to protect our gene pool argument smacks of the worst kind of racist - nazi type ideology.
All this suggests is the fact that your illiterate.Either that or your interpretations of something are constipated or a guy who has his mind made up to "try" and bother me whether he agrees or not.
Try Barnum and Baileys,i think that they are hiring at the mo.
Another bright one,
Westside.
LOL
Yeah it must be me because your arguments are so well thought out.
I don't think you are illiterate I just don't think you bother reading in case you find something that will undermine your warped sense of reality. You indulge in national and racial stereotyping and then as with all racists quickly follow it up with the I am not a racist statement.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 14:31
Yeah it must be me because your arguments are so well thought out.
Not really,in fact i dont give them that much thought at all,after all they are only opinions and you sure wont find me running off a google search on something either.
I don't think you are illiterate I just don't think you bother reading in case you find something that will undermine your warped sense of reality. You indulge in national and racial stereotyping and then as with all racists quickly follow it up with the I am not a racist statement
So i am supposed to say that all the Eastern Europeans here wont do any harm to our countries financial status?Thats what you want me to say?I actually hope i am wrong.
You know what makes me smile while reading your comments.Right accross the country,next Tuesday,we will have people bitch and crib (and rightly so) about how much less off they are and remember its an emergency budget so we our standard budget coming up in a few short months which will be more crucifying,and alot of these very same ppl including some members of cabinet will turn to someone like me (and i believe im in pretty good company only alot dont have the cheek or be brazen enough to speak out about it) and refer to me as a racist because i give them a clear and direct means of saving this country billions over the next few years.Yes billions between low pay which is low taxes,welfare claims,medical cards,childs allowance and a host of other tax payers goodies.
Do i have a wrapped sense of reality?Who knows,but i do have a strong sense of reality and dont butter stuff up.Funny thing is this.Your comment of referring to me as a racist,if said in reality would get you into trouble not me.Accusing someone of being a racist is as serious as being a racist in the first place.Being a racist is an offence that almost guarentess a custody sentence.Guarenteed if you and i were in court on these matter you would lose hands down because your argument of what constitutes being a racist is fundamentally flawed im afraid.
As far as reading goes,i dont watch the news ,i dont read the papers.I read Beano and Dandy and love Felix and his amazing underpants on Viz.While they arent quite as funny they sure as hell make alot more sense and that includes your view of what racism is.
Hope this isnt wrapped too much for you or upsets your flawed sense of reality,
Sometimes wrapped is right,
Westside.
Quarterpoundher
05-04-09, 14:37
The Irish as a nation will start dying off,our cultures will satrt dissapearing and we will end up with a Polish All Ireland Hurling team, or something.
Cork might have to do that if they keep going on strike at the drop of a hat. :D
only went on strike last time cause they did'nt like the managers haircut :p
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 14:43
Because your talking nonsense if you have the ability to come up with a reasoned argument lets hear it.
Your worried that foreign nationals will somehow undermine Irish culture and heritage that just suggests you are insecure about you own heritage and culture, not to mention that it suggests that you somehow think that you have to be genetically pure Irish ( if such a thing exists) to partake in Irish culture. So presumably you view yourself as being more Irish or a better Irish person than say the O'hAilpins or Jason Sherlock or Paul Mcgrath etc etc.
Open your mind what is good of Ireland will stay there are things we can learn from immigrants and things they can learn from us and we will all be the better from it. The we have to protect our gene pool argument smacks of the worst kind of racist - nazi type ideology.
So because someone wants their culture healthy they are insecure?
Someone is concerned of the ammount of Eastern Europeans collecting welfare while we are having an emergency budget and are going through a long term recession are a racist?
And im wrapped?
These countries that ppl compare Ireland with are far bigger and far more heavily populated.People speak of the US.Look at the size of it.Look at the ammount of different breeds there and that are made up of all different cultures and now tell me where the american Indians and there cultures are? and this is in a country the size of the US.People compare Ireland with the UK?London alone has afar greater population than the whole of Ireland and this was always the case.
By the way i never said anything about immigration to Ireland stopping,i never said anythign about have various cultures coming here and learning from them,i never said anything about stopping anything non national but as long as its on a pro rata basis under some semblence of control and not an "Ireland is an easy free for all" approach.
FFS why do you think they have standards for different breeds of dogs that they encourage breeders to adhere to?Im not saying an Eastern European cant get involved with an Irish person or im not even saying that two different foreign nationals cant live here.What i am saying is that if it isnt controlled and its not being controlled at the moment ,then Irish culture could eventually be destroyed and dissappear entirely.Its bad enough that they fucked up the Irish Language by beating into ppl and fucked up ppls beliefs by screwing young kids all in the name of forgiveness from Christ and now our culture and our economy can go and take a dip too.FFS thats bollox sorry complete bollox.
Westside.
Yeah it must be me because your arguments are so well thought out.
Not really,in fact i dont give them that much thought at all,after all they are only opinions and you sure wont find me running off a google search on something either.
I don't think you are illiterate I just don't think you bother reading in case you find something that will undermine your warped sense of reality. You indulge in national and racial stereotyping and then as with all racists quickly follow it up with the I am not a racist statement
So i am supposed to say that all the Eastern Europeans here wont do any harm to our countries financial status?Thats what you want me to say?I actually hope i am wrong.
You know what makes me smile while reading your comments.Right accross the country,next Tuesday,we will have people bitch and crib (and rightly so) about how much less off they are and remember its an emergency budget so we our standard budget coming up in a few short months which will be more crucifying,and alot of these very same ppl including some members of cabinet will turn to someone like me (and i believe im in pretty good company only alot dont have the cheek or be brazen enough to speak out about it) and refer to me as a racist because i give them a clear and direct means of saving this country billions over the next few years.Yes billions between low pay which is low taxes,welfare claims,medical cards,childs allowance and a host of other tax payers goodies.
Do i have a wrapped sense of reality?Who knows,but i do have a strong sense of reality and dont butter stuff up.Funny thing is this.Your comment of referring to me as a racist,if said in reality would get you into trouble not me.Accusing someone of being a racist is as serious as being a racist in the first place.Being a racist is an offence that almost guarentess a custody sentence.Guarenteed if you and i were in court on these matter you would lose hands down because your argument of what constitutes being a racist is fundamentally flawed im afraid.
As far as reading goes,i dont watch the news ,i dont read the papers.I read Beano and Dandy and love Felix and his amazing underpants on Viz.While they arent quite as funny they sure as hell make alot more sense and that includes your view of what racism is.
Hope this isnt wrapped too much for you or upsets your flawed sense of reality,
Sometimes wrapped is right,
Westside.
Obviously Beano and Dandy is about all you read
You are so clueless it is almost sad,
Can you show me the law that says you cannot be a racist, The law can not control what you think nor does it attempt to however it does prevent you from incitement to Hatred which is a completely different thing altogether.
Your various statements here have displayed your a racist you might not like to think of yourself in those terms but if you re read your posts perhaps even you will see it.Part of your problem is that you don't actually understand what racism and xenophobia is so you conclude because you don't hate black people you are not a racist. Its not my understanding of racism and xenophobia that is flawed it is that you have no idea what they are.
So because someone wants their culture healthy they are insecure?
Someone is concerned of the ammount of Eastern Europeans collecting welfare while we are having an emergency budget and are going through a long term recession are a racist?
And im wrapped?
These countries that ppl compare Ireland with are far bigger and far more heavily populated.People speak of the US.Look at the size of it.Look at the ammount of different breeds there and that are made up of all different cultures and now tell me where the american Indians and there cultures are? and this is in a country the size of the US.People compare Ireland with the UK?London alone has afar greater population than the whole of Ireland and this was always the case.
By the way i never said anything about immigration to Ireland stopping,i never said anythign about have various cultures coming here and learning from them,i never said anything about stopping anything non national but as long as its on a pro rata basis under some semblence of control and not an "Ireland is an easy free for all" approach.
FFS why do you think they have standards for different breeds of dogs that they encourage breeders to adhere to?Im not saying an Eastern European cant get involved with an Irish person or im not even saying that two different foreign nationals cant live here.What i am saying is that if it isnt controlled and its not being controlled at the moment ,then Irish culture could eventually be destroyed and dissappear entirely.Its bad enough that they fucked up the Irish Language by beating into ppl and fucked up ppls beliefs by screwing young kids all in the name of forgiveness from Christ and now our culture and our economy can go and take a dip too.FFS thats bollox sorry complete bollox.
Westside.
Complete bollox is certainly what it is and you have a talent for it.
Since you are concerned about the amount of Eastern Europeans here on Social welfare tell us how many are there?
How do you want immigration from other EU countries controlled?
Do you want Ireland to leave the EU?
Not sure if you are taking the piss with your dog breeding comment but I kind of hope you are.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 16:29
Obviously Beano and Dandy is about all you read
Yeah they are a good laugh.Almost as funny as reading your attempts at humour but hey thats genetics for you.
You are so clueless it is almost sad,
Nope cluless ppl actually have to google everything.Need to wipe your arse?Google it.
Can you show me the law that says you cannot be a racist, The law can not control what you think nor does it attempt to however it does prevent you from incitement to Hatred which is a completely different thing altogether.
This just goes to show ,along with contradicting yourself self above in that your actually clueless,being a racist is against the law as racism is a crime and therefore being a racist is a breech of the law.If there is no law saying someone cannot be a racist then there is no law stating that someone cannot murder or rob etc.The Law is not a verb as the verb is the breech of that law.However ,giving an opinion on something is not racism since it doesnt cause anything law to be broken as in causing a loss to someone of foreign origin.So it goes to show that for me to be a racist , i actually have to be in breech of some law of the land and saying that there are too many Eastern Europeans signing on and receiving welfare which in turn will in my opinion cause us more financial problems as time goes by is not racism.
Your various statements here have displayed your a racist you might not like to think of yourself in those terms but if you re read your posts perhaps even you will see it.
you have already implied im a racist.whats the point in saying it again?
Part of your problem is that you don't actually understand what racism and xenophobia is so you conclude because you don't hate black people you are not a racist. Its not my understanding of racism and xenophobia that is flawed it is that you have no idea what they are.
More repetition.you just keep repeating yourself in different ways.you have your mind made up and so have i.You think im a racist and i know your a dickhead.
A logical enough conclusion,
Westside.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 16:32
Complete bollox is certainly what it is and you have a talent for it.
Since you are concerned about the amount of Eastern Europeans here on Social welfare tell us how many are there?
How do you want immigration from other EU countries controlled?
Do you want Ireland to leave the EU?
Not sure if you are taking the piss with your dog breeding comment but I kind of hope you are.
I am starting to believe that thats a real pic of you in that Avator.
Westside.
PS hows the anti modding shite going?
Obviously Beano and Dandy is about all you read
Yeah they are a good laugh.Almost as funny as reading your attempts at humour but hey thats genetics for you.
You are so clueless it is almost sad,
Nope cluless ppl actually have to google everything.Need to wipe your arse?Google it.
Can you show me the law that says you cannot be a racist, The law can not control what you think nor does it attempt to however it does prevent you from incitement to Hatred which is a completely different thing altogether.
This just goes to show ,along with contradicting yourself self above in that your actually clueless,being a racist is against the law as racism is a crime and therefore being a racist is a breech of the law.If there is no law saying someone cannot be a racist then there is no law stating that someone cannot murder or rob etc.The Law is not a verb as the verb is the breech of that law.However ,giving an opinion on something is not racism since it doesnt cause anything law to be broken as in causing a loss to someone of foreign origin.So it goes to show that for me to be a racist , i actually have to be in breech of some law of the land and saying that there are too many Eastern Europeans signing on and receiving welfare which in turn will in my opinion cause us more financial problems as time goes by is not racism.
Your various statements here have displayed your a racist you might not like to think of yourself in those terms but if you re read your posts perhaps even you will see it.
you have already implied im a racist.whats the point in saying it again?
Part of your problem is that you don't actually understand what racism and xenophobia is so you conclude because you don't hate black people you are not a racist. Its not my understanding of racism and xenophobia that is flawed it is that you have no idea what they are.
More repetition.you just keep repeating yourself in different ways.you have your mind made up and so have i.You think im a racist and i know your a dickhead.
A logical enough conclusion,
Westside.
Yeah Yeah Westie when you can't win you resort to your normal tactic.
Next you will start crying and tell us what a hard life you have had and how your leaving and never coming back.
Again show me the law that says you cannot be a racist.
See have such little understanding of what your talking about that you think that you can only be a racist if you perform some kind of racist act like beating up an Asian guy or putting dog shit through the letter box of your foreign national neighbour. Your attitude is what makes you a racist you don't have to act on it nor is your attitude illegal however acting on it would be.
I am starting to believe that thats a real pic of you in that Avator.
Westside.
PS hows the anti modding shite going?
Yeah Stewie is my name ask Liz
Still carrying the huge chip on your shoulder I see
experienced punter
05-04-09, 16:59
Nothing mpre disinteresting than viewing 2 people trying to outwit each other:rolleyes:
experienced punter
05-04-09, 17:03
And this thread began about an escort walking out a window!:D
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 17:04
Nothing mpre disinteresting than viewing 2 people trying to outwit each other:rolleyes:
your right.Should have just told him to f'off.:D Seriosuly though i am staying quiet on it now but wait and see.We have an emergency budget on tues,who is too say we wont have another.I mean at the moment it looks like we could have two or three in the next 12 months and you know,ppl will crib,moan,bitch and have absolutly no balls in becoming outspoken and seeing something for what it is.
Westside.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 17:07
And this thread began about an escort walking out a window!:D
but where i saw it change is when a user was banned for making comments and didnt seem racist to me unless "The Sweetie " (reg tm) has looked down the drawers of every Chinaman in Ireland to see if they all have small mickies.:)
Do they?Dont look at me mate,
Westside.
your right.Should have just told him to f'off.:D Seriosuly though i am staying quiet on it now but wait and see.We have an emergency budget on tues,who is too say we wont have another.I mean at the moment it looks like we could have two or three in the next 12 months and you know,ppl will crib,moan,bitch and have absolutly no balls in becoming outspoken and seeing something for what it is.
Westside.
nothing wrong with being outspoken but your claiming that a particular section namely eastern europeans are somehow a major problem so back it up or STFU.
And then explain exactly how throwing people who are perfectly entitled to be here out of the country will improve matters.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 17:16
Yeah Yeah Westie when you can't win you resort to your normal tactic.
Next you will start crying and tell us what a hard life you have had and how your leaving and never coming back.
Again show me the law that says you cannot be a racist.
See have such little understanding of what your talking about that you think that you can only be a racist if you perform some kind of racist act like beating up an Asian guy or putting dog shit through the letter box of your foreign national neighbour. Your attitude is what makes you a racist you don't have to act on it nor is your attitude illegal however acting on it would be.
i give up.you just dont get it.As for your smart ass second line.Im fine dickhead.Drinking a gallon of water a day tends to help alot.
the very fact that you think there is something to win says it all.:rolleyes:Heres your prize Cal, a pair of top of the range perforated shoes.:(
Dickhead:)
Westside.
PS im all upset.Actually im not nope:D
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 17:20
nothing wrong with being outspoken but your claiming that a particular section namely eastern europeans are somehow a major problem so back it up or STFU.
And then explain exactly how throwing people who are perfectly entitled to be here out of the country will improve matters.
i thought the penny would drop at some stage.Toilet paper.The ladooooooooooooOOOO
mailed me and said for every Eastern European in this country that craps it costs us three rolls of paper per week and the forests just cant handle that.Do something West,do something and ill keep counting.:rolleyes:
You are observant,
Westside.
Cal go away and watch Wanderly Wagon or a rerun of Bosco or something plz.STFU??Whats that a disease?
i thought the penny would drop at some stage.Toilet paper.The ladooooooooooooOOOO
mailed me and said for every Eastern European in this country that craps it costs us three rolls of paper per week and the forests just cant handle that.Do something West,do something and ill keep counting.:rolleyes:
You are observant,
Westside.
Cal go away and watch Wanderly Wagon or a rerun of Bosco or something plz.STFU??Whats that a disease?
Guess that means you can't back it up.
What a surprise. :rolleyes:
Same sh1t different day here I see....
Look Weatie, we don't live in a perfect world........ just get on with it....
As I said before, the economic cricis in this country is giving rise to a breeding ground for this kind of anti immigrant ranting......I'll stop short of saying racism........and it will get worse...
Am I particularly happy with the thoughts that my hard earned tax in being given to people (regardless of where they come from) who might be scamming the system, and ultimately me, or, are just to lazy to get a job???? No....
Did this just occur to me now???? No.....
Is it as easy as just walking into the dole office, saying you don't have a job, and somebody handing you a cheque???? No....
Do I think it should be more strict???? Yes.....
I personally think unemployment benefits in this country are a joke!!!! The system in being scammed left right and centre!!!!! Individual cases are not looked at closely enough!!!
I could write about this stuff all day, it really bugs me. Everybody in this country should have to have at least sat the leaving cert, or maybe achieved a certain number of points to be allowed to draw the dole!!!! Might encourage more people to stay in school!!!! If you have to get X amount of points in the leaving to draw the dole which is €XXX per week, if you got 50 more points you could get a place in collage and earn 3 or 4 times more than the dole payout per week.....
Somebody comes to the dole office to sign on or collect their benefits, and I know around the corner there's a cleaning company looking for staff, do they know there's a job going around the corner? Yes! Did they apply for a job there? No! Why? Don't want to do that job!!! Should they get unemployment benefits???? No way!!!!!!
Is there a system in place to combat this kind of thing??? Yes!!!! Does it work??? No!!!!
If you don't have a job you should not be allowed to pick and choose what kind of a job you get, within reason, you have the choice, either take the job that's available or you don't get the dole!!!!
The footpath outside the dole office is filthy, rubbish all over the place!!! The next able bodied person that walks into the office is given a choice, either take this sweeping brush and clean up all the rubbish outside this office or you don't get your check!!!! Simple as that!!
Are the scenarios I just mentioned above crazy and off the wall??? Yes....
Do I ever think they might be implemented??? No....
Would I like to see them implemented??? I sure would....
At the risk of some reprisal now, and I'm sure there will be, here goes.....
Non nationals who arrive in this country should be given a pre determined amount of time to find a job, if they do not find a job within that time they should return home....
Am I happy that non nationals who were working here but have lost their jobs are being given money out of my pocket now??? Not really, but in fairness when they were working they were contributing to the economy and the state the same as the rest of us, so in fairness, although I may not think it's doing the country any favours, I do believe they are entitled!!!!
Can we stop more coming here??? No.... We are part of the EU.... That's it, we can't cherry pick the bits that suit us and ignore the rest...
Although I may not agree with lots of things that are going on in the country at the moment I don't go on and on about it because I know I can't, or it won't change it, it's not worth the hassle.....
Time better spent concentrating on the things I can change, or make a difference to......
I think we all know the Serenity Prayer...... It's good advice....:)
carlos marvado
05-04-09, 18:34
Its goofy from Irelands viewpoint.We dont need the EU.All we have acheived by joining is gave oyr control of interest rates away (something we could do with badly right now) and received mass immigration of unskilled low payed workers.We are realiant in the US.Isnt it very strange how we are going through our worst recession while they are going through theirs?The US multinationals moving their buisness out of Ireland are doing it because they are doing very poorly back in the US.
When we joined the EU or Common Market as it was then, Irish GNP was 60% of the average of the other members. For more than 30 years we benefitted greatly from transfers in the form of the CAP, structural funds etc. We now have extremely low interest rates as a result of being in the Eurozone (compared to 16-17% in the mid 1980s), a stable currency and lower transaction costs for business plus unfettered mobility of people, goods, services and capital. Back in the early 1990s, Albert Reynolds, on returning from Europe, proudly told us how much he had secured in funding for Ireland over a seven or so year period and how many millions that worked out as per day for every day of the funding period. (If I remember correctly, a General Election was'nt too far off) Were it not for the EU and the Euro, Ireland would look like Iceland today and our future would be as an off shore economic dependancy of the UK or the USA. Think Puerto Rico minus the Spanish language.
Given our membership of the EU, we have to apply EU legislation.....and even if we did'nt have this, we could hardly apply Irish law differently to foreign nationals residing and working here legally. The E. European construction workers, the Filipina nurses and Asian doctors in our hospitals and the countless nationalities who serve us in our hotels, restaurants, shops and petrol stations, were attracted here by the Celtic Tiger and the claims we made for our economic success. We needed their manpower and skills at the time and actively headhunted people from abroad through recruitment fairs etc. We had no problem telling all and sundry that we were the second wealthiest country in the EU after Luxemburg and going to every corner of the globe to lecture them on how we did it.
Then reality hit hard. It was all a speculative bubble fuelled by massive debt, greed, corruption and lax regulation. We did'nt get rich on the back of manufactured goods and services that were internationally traded, but on buying and selling houses to one another and through a bloated and overindulged public sector that was created on the back of an insecure tax base. We all know who created the speculative Celtic Tiger bubble over a 15 year period, greedy and corrupt gamblers who played with other peoples money and who were facilitated by greed and corrupt politicians who never called a halt, because that tax revenues allowed them to buy election after election. The guilty are probably nearly all, to a man and a few women, almost all Irish. The foreign workers, whom we needed and welcomed here, are as guiltless as the majority of Irish people.......but they, like us, are now going to have to pay for the greed of our so-called betters.......the people who prostituted prudence, community values, business and financial ethics in return for massive salaries, bonuses, perks and a jet set life style.
Excluding fraudulent abuses, anybody who receives unemployment benefit or assistance has become entitled to it on the basis of having made sufficient contributions. Sure many an E. European probably gets more here on the dole than they would earn at home and if that affords them a better standard of living here, then they would be foolish to leave. Like I said earlier, the Irish were great for putting the hand out is Brussels, emigrating for economic reasons to any country that would take them, and I'm pretty sure that if the boot were on the other foot and we spoke half decent Polish, we would be amongst the first queueing up at the Ryanair counters to get to Warsaw, Krakow or Bydgoszcz.
As for nicegirlsarenice's comments.........they hardly warrent an intelligent response. I assume that he must be the only member of this site who can trace his genetic make-up back 40 or 50 generations on both his paternal and maternal sides and that they are pure Celtic Irish.
Hold on ffs, did'nt the Celts come from across mainland Europe to Ireland and mingle (i.e f**k) with the original inhabitants and then, I hope I have the historical order correct here, the Danes, Anglo-Normans, English, Welsh, Scots, assorted Spanish and French troops, who tried to "liberate us", William of Orange and his Dutch and German troops, a few German spies in WWII (they had a reputation with the local girls), Italians (restaurants), Chinese (more restaurants), Indians (still more f**king restaurants) until Ireland became a gourmet's paradise. Then the Greeks (who introduced the Greek style to these shores). Did I forget to mention the 500 odd escorts, the vast majority non-Irish.
But you know it was'nt all one way traffic......no, we started off by sending our missionaries to Scotland, England and mainland Europe, where they f***ked with the locals (missionary position of course). We invaded Scotland, fled to France and Spain when the going got too hot here, and once we had established our position as part of the Empire, we travelled to N. America and the Caribbean, Africa, the Indian subcontinent, Australia, New Zealand and countless Pacific Islands as soldiers, missionaries, sailors, traders, impoverish immegrants or just plain old convicts. And guess what we did once we got to these places......exactly, we f**ked with the people we encountered there. That's why today, nobody is as Irish as Barak O'Bama.......except of course for our ex-heavy-weight world champion Muhammed O'Ali.
Nicegirlsarenice, if you are the last ethnically pure Irish-Celt (subject to genetic verification of course) get yourself down to Dublic Zoo before you become extinct and we'll try to clone ya. Peace brotha nicegirlsarenice. :D:D:D
Carlos we're all getting sick of your smart ass "one liners".....:D:D:D
Carlos we're all getting sick of your smart ass "one liners".....:D:D:D
You're not far behind him with your little quip:D
Oh and as for the EU, of course we should be allowed to pick and choose the best bits and ignore the stuff that dousn't benefit us...
I mean what has the EU ever done for us.....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
YouTube - Life of Brian - What have the Romans done (Immaculate Ed.) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaE3EaQte78)
You're not far behind him with your little quip:D
I'm getting lessons....
Carlos is teaching me the short replys....
And QPH is teaching me the long versions.....:D
carlos marvado
05-04-09, 18:56
Sorry chaps but I've moved this thread to the toilet as its getting rather heated and OTT.
Love Ric xxx;)
Ahhh Ricky baby, but this is the most interesting debate on here since the great list scandal.
Take a break from the Escort of the Month contest and the Campaign for More Explicit Photos and submit a nice interesting Quarterpoundheresque post.
I'm pretty sure one of the brothers is going to do a thesis on the Sexual Politics of Racism (with some Explicit Photos) to back up the arguement. :D:D:D
Ahhh Ricky baby, but this is the most interesting debate on here since the great list scandal.
Take a break from the Escort of the Month contest and the Campaign for More Explicit Photos and submit a nice interesting Quarterpoundheresque post.
I pretty sure one of the brothers is going to do a thesis on the Sexual Politics of Racism (with some Explicit Photos) to back up the arguement. :D:D:D
Just to post some facts on who the Irish actually are...
Genetically, in terms of Y-chromosomes and Mt-DNA, inhabitants of Ireland and Britain are closely related to the Basques. More so the Irish than the British.
The original Irish came from northern Spain around 9,ooo years ago and spread across the island into different tribes/peoples including the Airgialla, Fir Ol nEchmacht, Delbhna, Fir Bolg, Érainn, Eóganachta, Mairtine, Conmaicne, Soghain, and Ulaid.
The word Ireland itself came from Érainn. These people were based in south Munster.
Since then the Irish people mixed with Viking, Anglo-Norman, Anglo-Saxon, Flemish and other peoples/ethnic groups to create the people on this island. Over the course of these changes the original languages spoken were replaced with English along with many other religious and cultural changes.
So now in the 21st century the Irish are mixing with many other ethnic groups. These people will only add to the richness of our culture. A culture that will continue to change.
So if you do get into a rant about Ireland loosing its culture to the hoards of new settlers arriving please think, who are the Irish really?
Just a thought.:)
And let's not get too involved in defending our culture, when our culture is only just over a century old. Think I'm spoofing?
Gaeilge is a reconstructed language. Our sports are reconstructed. Our traditional music (much as I love it) is reconstructed. All of them bear only slight resemblances to the original, and were invented by the rising power of organisations like the Gaelic League in the late 19th century.
Ah, can you hear the skirl of the uileann pipes on the air, and the smell of turf smoke and strong whiskey wafting through the lilting accents, and see the sun rising over Slieve Whatyecallit and shining down upon Lough Bollock? :D
And let's not get too involved in defending our culture, when our culture is only just over a century old. Think I'm spoofing?
Gaeilge is a reconstructed language. Our sports are reconstructed. Our traditional music (much as I love it) is reconstructed. All of them bear only slight resemblances to the original, and were invented by the rising power of organisations like the Gaelic League in the late 19th century.
Ah, can you hear the skirl of the uileann pipes on the air, and the smell of turf smoke and strong whiskey wafting through the lilting accents, and see the sun rising over Slieve Whatyecallit and shining down upon Lough Bollock? :D
100% TRUE!!!
Thank you Mousey.
carlos marvado
05-04-09, 19:26
Yes Brother Ric. I read your piece after I had written my piece.......I just thought it could have been more Quarterpoundheresque like Qph's piece for example.
Ahh ffs, you're right Luther, I should stick to one-liners. :D:D:D
Yes Brother Ric. I read your piece after I had written my piece.......I just thought it could have been more Quarterpoundheresque like Qph's piece for example.
Ahh ffs, you're right Luther, I should stick to one-liners. :D:D:D
I wasn't in the mood for giving a long history lesson Carlos.
Quarterpoundher
05-04-09, 19:38
Yes Brother Ric. I read your piece after I had written my piece.......I just thought it could have been more Quarterpoundheresque like Qph's piece for example.
Ahh ffs, you're right Luther, I should stick to one-liners. :D:D:D
Jesus Carlos you wrote a Quarterpoundheresque post yourself today and Luther’s even had me taken aback but my poor old username is still used as a byword for long posts. :(
Why not Carlosesque or Luthereresque? :D
Nice to see what makes us Irish becoming more common here though… :p
And let's not get too involved in defending our culture, when our culture is only just over a century old. Think I'm spoofing?
Gaeilge is a reconstructed language. Our sports are reconstructed. Our traditional music (much as I love it) is reconstructed. All of them bear only slight resemblances to the original, and were invented by the rising power of organisations like the Gaelic League in the late 19th century.
Ah, can you hear the skirl of the uileann pipes on the air, and the smell of turf smoke and strong whiskey wafting through the lilting accents, and see the sun rising over Slieve Whatyecallit and shining down upon Lough Bollock? :D
I wouldn't agree that they are reconstructed but they were developed and organised the roots of the Language the music and the sports go back hundreds of years. They evolved into what we have today because that's the way the world works nothing stays the same.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 19:53
When we joined the EU or Common Market as it was then, Irish GNP was 60% of the average of the other members. For more than 30 years we benefitted greatly from transfers in the form of the CAP, structural funds etc. We now have extremely low interest rates as a result of being in the Eurozone (compared to 16-17% in the mid 1980s), a stable currency and lower transaction costs for business plus unfettered mobility of people, goods, services and capital. Back in the early 1990s, Albert Reynolds, on returning from Europe, proudly told us how much he had secured in funding for Ireland over a seven or so year period and how many millions that worked out as per day for every day of the funding period. (If I remember correctly, a General Election was'nt too far off) Were it not for the EU and the Euro, Ireland would look like Iceland today and our future would be as an off shore economic dependancy of the UK or the USA. Think Puerto Rico minus the Spanish language.
Given our membership of the EU, we have to apply EU legislation.....and even if we did'nt have this, we could hardly apply Irish law differently to foreign nationals residing and working here legally. The E. European construction workers, the Filipina nurses and Asian doctors in our hospitals and the countless nationalities who serve us in our hotels, restaurants, shops and petrol stations, were attracted here by the Celtic Tiger and the claims we made for our economic success. We needed their manpower and skills at the time and actively headhunted people from abroad through recruitment fairs etc. We had no problem telling all and sundry that we were the second wealthiest country in the EU after Luxemburg and going to every corner of the globe to lecture them on how we did it.
Then reality hit hard. It was all a speculative bubble fuelled by massive debt, greed, corruption and lax regulation. We did'nt get rich on the back of manufactured goods and services that were internationally traded, but on buying and selling houses to one another and through a bloated and overindulged public sector that was created on the back of an insecure tax base. We all know who created the speculative Celtic Tiger bubble over a 15 year period, greedy and corrupt gamblers who played with other peoples money and who were facilitated by greed and corrupt politicians who never called a halt, because that tax revenues allowed them to buy election after election. The guilty are probably nearly all, to a man and a few women, almost all Irish. The foreign workers, whom we needed and welcomed here, are as guiltless as the majority of Irish people.......but they, like us, are now going to have to pay for the greed of our so-called betters.......the people who prostituted prudence, community values, business and financial ethics in return for massive salaries, bonuses, perks and a jet set life style.
Excluding fraudulent abuses, anybody who receives unemployment benefit or assistance has become entitled to it on the basis of having made sufficient contributions. Sure many an E. European probably gets more here on the dole than they would earn at home and if that affords them a better standard of living here, then they would be foolish to leave. Like I said earlier, the Irish were great for putting the hand out is Brussels, emigrating for economic reasons to any country that would take them, and I'm pretty sure that if the boot were on the other foot and we spoke half decent Polish, we would be amongst the first queueing up at the Ryanair counters to get to Warsaw, Krakow or Bydgoszcz.
As for nicegirlsarenice's comments.........they hardly warrent an intelligent response. I assume that he must be the only member of this site who can trace his genetic make-up back 40 or 50 generations on both his paternal and maternal sides and that they are pure Celtic Irish.
Hold on ffs, did'nt the Celts come from across mainland Europe to Ireland and mingle (i.e f**k) with the original inhabitants and then, I hope I have the historical order correct here, the Danes, Anglo-Normans, English, Welsh, Scots, assorted Spanish and French troops, who tried to "liberate us", William of Orange and his Dutch and German troops, a few German spies in WWII (they had a reputation with the local girls), Italians (restaurants), Chinese (more restaurants), Indians (still more f**king restaurants) until Ireland became a gourmet's paradise. Then the Greeks (who introduced the Greek style to these shores). Did I forget to mention the 500 odd escorts, the vast majority non-Irish.
But you know it was'nt all one way traffic......no, we started off by sending our missionaries to Scotland, England and mainland Europe, where they f***ked with the locals (missionary position of course). We invaded Scotland, fled to France and Spain when the going got too hot here, and once we had established our position as part of the Empire, we travelled to N. America and the Caribbean, Africa, the Indian subcontinent, Australia, New Zealand and countless Pacific Islands as soldiers, missionaries, sailors, traders, impoverish immegrants or just plain old convicts. And guess what we did once we got to these places......exactly, we f**ked with the people we encountered there. That's why today, nobody is as Irish as Barak O'Bama.......except of course for our ex-heavy-weight world champion Muhammed O'Ali.
Nicegirlsarenice, if you are the last ethnically pure Irish-Celt (subject to genetic verification of course) get yourself down to Dublic Zoo before you become extinct and we'll try to clone ya. Peace brotha nicegirlsarenice. :D:D:D
when i said the EU i didnt mean so much joining the EU as to where the large multi nationals came from,America.
I already stated that i agree with anybody making contributions is entitled to welfare but its also a fact that they have to be genuinely looking for and /or capable of working as well.This may maynot be the case.Of course they would be foolish to leave.all i am saying is that we cannot afford all of this.We are not a rich country,our employment rate is dropping significantly,we have an emergency budget and the budget again later in the year assuming we wont have another emergency budget in the interim.People can go right down through history and pull out examples and it still wont alter the fact that a mass of foreign workers signing on will slow down our economic recovery.In the debt we are already in we smply cannot afford to get into anymore and the way things look we will.
Do you think that if the shoe was on the other foot we would be tolerated in Eastern Europe on a similar basis or situation?I doubt it.We have become a soft country to come too.
The so called Celtic tiger came about by us having the lowest corporations tax in Europe which attracted large foreign investment.That along with the fact the for the first time ever we had low taxes on income.People had more money to spend,to borrow,to invest.With this sort of set up comes high inflationand cost of living.
You mention the escorts on this site being foreign.Well they are actually some of the few that are working for waht the average escort is charging over here.By the way im not saying that the foreign workers are guilty.What i am saying is that they are an additonal financial burden on a country that cannot afford to have anymore of a financial burden but they stay here because we are too soft with welfare and regulations.
Westside.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 19:55
Guess that means you can't back it up.
What a surprise. :rolleyes:
i took your advice:)
Feeling wonderfully renewed,
Westside.:)
when i said the EU i didnt mean so much joining the EU as to where the large multi nationals came from,America.
I already stated that i agree with anybody making contributions is entitled to welfare but its also a fact that they have to be genuinely looking for and /or capable of working as well.This may maynot be the case.Of course they would be foolish to leave.all i am saying is that we cannot afford all of this.We are not a rich country,our employment rate is dropping significantly,we have an emergency budget and the budget again later in the year assuming we wont have another emergency budget in the interim.People can go right down through history and pull out examples and it still wont alter the fact that a mass of foreign workers signing on will slow down our economic recovery.In the debt we are already in we smply cannot afford to get into anymore and the way things look we will.
Do you think that if the shoe was on the other foot we would be tolerated in Eastern Europe on a similar basis or situation?I doubt it.We have become a soft country to come too.
The so called Celtic tiger came about by us having the lowest corporations tax in Europe which attracted large foreign investment.That along with the fact the for the first time ever we had low taxes on income.People had more money to spend,to borrow,to invest.With this sort of set up comes high inflationand cost of living.
You mention the escorts on this site being foreign.Well they are actually some of the few that are working for waht the average escort is charging over here.By the way im not saying that the foreign workers are guilty.What i am saying is that they are an additonal financial burden on a country that cannot afford to have anymore of a financial burden but they stay here because we are too soft with welfare and regulations.
Westside.
But why pick on East Europeans or any group I think we all agree that anyone receiving Job seekers allowance should be seeking a job but that applies to everyone not a section based on where they originally came from.
i took your advice:)
Feeling wonderfully renewed,
Westside.:)
Yeah but you didn't manage to find anything to back up your statements though did you.
I have loads more advice for you if you promise to take it
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 20:23
But why pick on East Europeans or any group I think we all agree that anyone receiving Job seekers allowance should be seeking a job but that applies to everyone not a section based on where they originally came from.
its mainly those from those areas that are causing the probs by working for way less (this is less tax too by the way along with Irish being pushed out of the jobs market).They are staying here because they will get more on the weekly dole than if they were working back home.Bollox to that.If they can work for half then they can sign on for half too.No they wont do that but they will take jobs for fuck all because otherwise they wouldnt get the jobs in the first place.They could refuse to work for that little and demand the same pay as the Irish got and they would be way better off for it too.
I dont see the French,Spainish,Italians,British,Americans,Swedes ,Germans or literally anyone else doing this.I am repeating what i said and will stand over this.We cannot afford this.We simply do not have the financial resources or means to do this and if the Lisbon Treay goes through ,we will be even worse off.Its the excess is what we cannot afford.Sure Eastern Europeans are welcome here but we simply cannot afford to keep up with the rate that they are coming here and staying here at.
Westside.
Tommy Singh
05-04-09, 20:27
If i am a racist ,why am i not banned like your one a dozen or so posts back?Heres is why.What i am saying isnt racism thats why sunshine.
Westside.
DollyDarling
05-04-09, 20:36
And let's not get too involved in defending our culture, when our culture is only just over a century old. Think I'm spoofing?
Gaeilge is a reconstructed language. Our sports are reconstructed. Our traditional music (much as I love it) is reconstructed. All of them bear only slight resemblances to the original, and were invented by the rising power of organisations like the Gaelic League in the late 19th century.
Ah, can you hear the skirl of the uileann pipes on the air, and the smell of turf smoke and strong whiskey wafting through the lilting accents, and see the sun rising over Slieve Whatyecallit and shining down upon Lough Bollock? :D
That sounds so romantic. Id give anything to be in this scenario right now: smelling the turf smoke and whiskey wafting thru the lilting accents and the skirl of uileann pipes on the air, and the sun rising over slieve anything and shining down on dolly darling lying naked by lough bollock chewing her ginseng chewing gum, burying it in the dirt by a 500 year old oak tree, gift to the fairies, now I can hear the birds singing instead of my gum chomping..... *sigh* ah thats the life, thats the life..... :o
... and then, attracted by the fragrant flower odour of Dolly's muff, a small cute fieldmouse crawled out from the grass and proceeded to engage his tongue in some cunnilingus!
If i am a racist ,why am i not banned like your one a dozen or so posts back?Heres is why.What i am saying isnt racism thats why sunshine.
Westside.
Maybe its too embarrassing for Patricia to have to ban one of her former mods no matter how unstable he is.
But on the other hand if your looking for consistency from Patricia as proof one way or the other then we may be a while waiting.
... and then, attracted by the fragrant flower odour of Dolly's muff, a small cute fieldmouse crawled out from the grass and proceeded to engage his tongue in some cunnilingus!
Thanks Mousey now its a beastiality thread.:p
Have you got something against mouse-on-fanny action, you bigoted swine? :eek:
DollyDarling
05-04-09, 21:09
I have nothing against those covered in lots of hair from head to toe, cute little pink noses, the tiniest of feet, and who have a spine that makes them walk on all fours rather then stand up straight, sure, most of us slouch anyway don't we? I am not a mouse racist at all. :D
I have heard rumor that Mr Mousey had a spell cast on him once upon a time, and he was a handsome prince who has been waiting Oh So Long to be turned back into that handsome prince if some Dolly lets him lick her. I dont' mind breaking the wicked spell put on poor Mr Mousey, besides he may give me a castle and lots of pretty dresses afterwards for doing so :p
But why pick on East Europeans
its mainly those from those areas that are causing the probs by working for way less (this is less tax too by the way along with Irish being pushed out of the jobs market).They are staying here because they will get more on the weekly dole than if they were working back home.Bollox to that.If they can work for half then they can sign on for half too.No they wont do that but they will take jobs for fuck all because otherwise they wouldnt get the jobs in the first place.They could refuse to work for that little and demand the same pay as the Irish got and they would be way better off for it too.
Westside.
Your getting a little mixed up here.......Either that or your talking BS again.....
You have heard of the minimum wage haven't you???
The East Europeans don't work for fuck all, they get at least the minimum wage, the same entitlements as everybody else......and don't go down that €5 per hour cash in hand under the table road....
And if you think that's pushing the Irish out of the jobs market you are talking BS......
And if that is what you think then you've proven my points......
That many Irish think it below them to work for minimum wage, so the Eastern Europeans are still filling a gap in employment....
Some Irish have become to snobby and greedy to work in certain places because they feel it below them....... they'd rather be lazy fuckers and draw the dole.....
Time for many Irish to re-evaluate their wage expectations, get off their lazy tiger cub arses, drop the superior attitudes and welcome back to the real world...
A job is a job, they should be glad of any they can get!!!
DollyDarling
06-04-09, 00:15
Literally AAAAAGES! And then yesterday, and all the way over here in NYC I got a phone call from a black man for full service. He did have a really big cock I must say. It was short, but really fat. I am so tight, OMG, so very tight, so had to work it in slowly, but it finally fit. He wasnt rough at all. He was very gentle with me, knowing Im a tight squeeze :eek: He kissed my neck like a romantic, and didn't take long to cum. Nothing at all like some girls stereotype black men. He was really nice and considerate. He then gave me a brief history lesson on how tap dancing is a combination of Irish step dance and African dance. Seems, in NYC the Irish and blacks lived in the same neighborhood: 5 points
Five Points, Manhattan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Points,_Manhattan)
The blending of their cultures created many new customs, and if you watch all those black & White films from long ago, it is just as it says blacks & whites both were tap dancing away on the big silver screen (hmm interesting that mixing black & white also makes silver, hence the silver screen with blacks and whites tapdancing...). Tonight, I had a Turkish man who brought me a jar of honey from his neighbor's bee farm and I licked his Turkish ass after sampling the nice honey. Next was a young black guy who wanted his little black cock sucked on. He came in my mouth. It tasted the same as a white man's cum.
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 03:19
Maybe its too embarrassing for Patricia to have to ban one of her former mods no matter how unstable he is.
But on the other hand if your looking for consistency from Patricia as proof one way or the other then we may be a while waiting.
seriously you spent more time on this thread trying to drag me down than hiding the hypocriscy of the fact that your pretending the situation doesnt bother you along with trying to be a hero in front of all of the foreign escorts here.
You my friend are a hypocrite,
Westside.
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 03:29
Your getting a little mixed up here.......Either that or your talking BS again.....
You have heard of the minimum wage haven't you???
The East Europeans don't work for fuck all, they get at least the minimum wage, the same entitlements as everybody else......and don't go down that €5 per hour cash in hand under the table road....
And if you think that's pushing the Irish out of the jobs market you are talking BS......
And if that is what you think then you've proven my points......
That many Irish think it below them to work for minimum wage, so the Eastern Europeans are still filling a gap in employment....
Some Irish have become to snobby and greedy to work in certain places because they feel it below them....... they'd rather be lazy fuckers and draw the dole.....
Time for many Irish to re-evaluate their wage expectations, get off their lazy tiger cub arses, drop the superior attitudes and welcome back to the real world...
A job is a job, they should be glad of any they can get!!!
i wasnt saying they work for fuck all.That was a throw away remark ffs.What i menat by fuck all was that they work for f'off on a comparative basis.
Its not that the Irish think that its below them to work for minimum wage.Its that the standard of living entails us having to be paid wages above that for a sustainable reasonble livlihood.Not only that but alot jobs are above minimum wage including the Eastern European ridden construction industry.Your not suggesting that we alter our standard of living to suit Eastern Europe are you?You ask me am i for real?Serious you completly out of touch with the stark reality of the situation.Next youll be saying that we should become a Commuinist state next.Trust me when i say lots of Irish are agreeable to what i am saying here but they dont say anything due to fear of being called a racist.
Westside.
carlos marvado
06-04-09, 05:43
when i said the EU i didnt mean so much joining the EU as to where the large multi nationals came from,America.
I already stated that i agree with anybody making contributions is entitled to welfare but its also a fact that they have to be genuinely looking for and /or capable of working as well.This may maynot be the case.Of course they would be foolish to leave.all i am saying is that we cannot afford all of this.We are not a rich country,our employment rate is dropping significantly,we have an emergency budget and the budget again later in the year assuming we wont have another emergency budget in the interim.People can go right down through history and pull out examples and it still wont alter the fact that a mass of foreign workers signing on will slow down our economic recovery.In the debt we are already in we smply cannot afford to get into anymore and the way things look we will.
Do you think that if the shoe was on the other foot we would be tolerated in Eastern Europe on a similar basis or situation?I doubt it.We have become a soft country to come too.
The so called Celtic tiger came about by us having the lowest corporations tax in Europe which attracted large foreign investment.That along with the fact the for the first time ever we had low taxes on income.People had more money to spend,to borrow,to invest.With this sort of set up comes high inflationand cost of living.
You mention the escorts on this site being foreign.Well they are actually some of the few that are working for waht the average escort is charging over here.By the way im not saying that the foreign workers are guilty.What i am saying is that they are an additonal financial burden on a country that cannot afford to have anymore of a financial burden but they stay here because we are too soft with welfare and regulations.
Westside.
I take your point Westie about the welfare and regulations maybe being to soft....but remember we have to treat other EU nationals in Ireland in the same way as our own nationals just as they must treat us equally to their nationals in their countries.
One could make the arguement that the welfare benefits here are much higher than in most other EU countries and regulation much more lax (even compared to our nearest neighbours across the water). But then the costs of most things, rent, electricity, food, socialising etc are also high here compared to the other EU countries. If we want to have any hope of regaining lost competitiveness, we need to push costs down so that the manufacturing and services sectors, which should be driving the economy forward can compete internationally. Lower input and transaction costs and overheads should result in a reduction in the costs of outputs and therefore lower prices for business and private consumers. There is no point in having lower corporation tax rates here if companies are unable to generate profits because of the high cost base of being located here.
So putting my money where my mouth is, this is what I would do if I were delivering the budget tomorrow:
1. Reduce VAT to UK levels or slightly below.
2. Reduce Employer's PRSI contributions.
3. Increase the employee PRSI contribution rate and abolish the ceiling.
4. Private medical insurance would no longer be tax deductable.
5. Between 5% and 33.3% reductions in public sector pay (depending on salary levels from Uachtaran na hEireann down) and benchmark public sector pay against private sector pay.
6. Semi state bodies and all companies in receipt on public monies (bailouts) to be subject to new civil service pay scales.
7. Property tax on all properties bar the main family home.
8. Abolish stamp duty on property transactions.
9. Reduce VRT on cars with lower emissions and reintroduce a scrappage scheme.
10. Reduce all state benefits ie. unemployment benefits, children's allowances by the projected rate of deflation (4 to 6%)
11. Abolish all subsidies and grants for private hospitals and schools.
12. Reintroduce University fees and higher means tested grants for third level students.
13. Increase income tax rates to 25%,48%,60% (and 100% for all salaries above 500,000)
14. Abolish minimum wage legislation.
15. Scrap state quangos.
16. Sell off or privatise selected semi-states.
17. Scrap the HSE.
18. Replace the Army with a national borderguard/coastguard service.
19. Establish a National Bank of Ireland under state ownership.
20. Abolish Seaned Eireann.
21. Increase corporation tax to 20 to 25%.
22. Legislate to cap professional fees i.e. Doctors, Dentists, Solicitors, Auctioneers etc. or alternatively set up a state owned structure to provide professional services in competition to them.
23. Introduce a 3 day per week community service scheme for those in receipt of unemployment assistance together with a travel/subsistance allowance. (Those who dont participate would receive a lower rate of unemployment assistance).
24. Close off tax loop-holes. E.g. Bono can now pay his fair share instead of mouthing off to the rest of us.
Anybody else out there prepared to lash their colours to the mast? Post your proposals.
annasavicha
06-04-09, 06:58
Anna, do you believe that a person should allow his own genes to be pushed out and mixed for the sake of immigrants who come here for MONEY?
And that our own lineage should be sold out for these guys and their stupid political correctness and for money? It would be like a prostitute having children for men she saw except much, much worse. The damage they do to our line would be irreparable.
How DARE you people do that to our own people and our own ancestry. Shame on you all. If it were up to people like the ones that criticised me the only Irish left would be half-Irish, then quarter Irish with a smaller and smaller population while in China it would be full Chinese.
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Yes and no.......
If girls have to be pressurised to have sex with certain race not to be concidered racist,it s nearly a rape..........
If girl does it by her own will and because she loves person and she decide to settle down with any of them by her own free will,nothing is wrong with that.
annasavicha
06-04-09, 07:01
No your just an illiterate moron arguing about your lineage being protected when the OP of Asian origin complained that a Latvian escort would not have sex with him.
How in the name of sweet jesus does that effect you ********* to protect your lineage.
If girl has to have sex with certain race or man not to be concidered a racist,in my eyes it s almost a rape.
Does any of guys feel good doing this to any girl???????
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 07:01
I take your point Westie about the welfare and regulations maybe being to soft....but remember we have to treat other EU nationals in Ireland in the same way as our own nationals just as they must treat us equally to their nationals in their countries.
Im not denying this nor am i saying that we should treat them bad.Im saying we cannot afford to keep them here in the nos that exist espeicially with more and more of them on welfare.
Heres a simple analogy.
Im a father and have a son and he phones me some day and says "dad i dont have anywhere to stay from next mon because i am being evicted" or whatever the case may be.So naturally as his father i would allow him to stay with me and help him out.That doesnt mean i should help a whole load of other ppl in the same position out nor does it make me a cunt for not doing so as i simply cannot afford it.The same can be said of what i am saying here.I think we should look after our own ppl first because we simply cannot afford to look after all here.Thats all i am saying and it doesnt make me a racist.Do i like most Eastern Euripeans?No i dont.Sorry but thats me yet that does mnake me a racist.I dont go allok for them,dont go and hassle them unless they hassle me first.sorry this is all an opinion not racism.
One could make the arguement that the welfare benefits here are much higher than in most other EU countries and regulation much more lax (even compared to our nearest neighbours across the water). But then the costs of most things, rent, electricity, food, socialising etc are also high here compared to the other EU countries. If we want to have any hope of regaining lost competitiveness, we need to push costs down so that the manufacturing and services sectors, which should be driving the economy forward can compete internationally.
This is an argument that i have heard several times but its reality.The reality is we have higher welfre payments,the cost of living is higher and we cannot afford to keep it up without Irish ppl suffing,in their own country.
Lower input and transaction costs and overheads should result in a reduction in the costs of outputs and therefore lower prices for business and private consumers. There is no point in having lower corporation tax rates here if companies are unable to generate profits because of the high cost base of being located here.
True there isnt any point in lowering corporations tax if they cannot make a profit but what else can be done to attract industry back in here?We cant control our interest rates so thats out as far as making borrowing easier.We have no choice but to up the income tax.So all we have left that we can realistically do is play around with the indirect taxation.Unfortunatly with a booming economy inflation rises and cost of living goes up.I think a good solution would be renewable cost efficient energy sources and this should bring the cost of production down and thus the cost of living ,in this case running a buisness or a home.
1. Reduce VAT to UK levels or slightly below.
Not sure on this.
2. Reduce Employer's PRSI contributions.
Wont happen soon anyway.
3. Increase the employee PRSI contribution rate and abolish the ceiling.
This will happen tommorow i feel but not sure if the ceiling will be abolished.
4. Private medical insurance would no longer be tax deductable.
A good idea.
5. Between 5% and 33.3% reductions in public sector pay (depending on salary levels from Uachtaran na hEireann down) and benchmark public sector pay against private sector pay.
Exactly and increased productivity of the public sector too.
6. Semi state bodies and all companies in receipt on public monies (bailouts) to be subject to new civil service pay scales.
Another great idea.
7. Property tax on all properties bar the main family home.
This will happen at some stage.I feel it would be unconsitutional to tax a family home.
8. Abolish stamp duty on property transactions.
Shopuld never have being here in the first place.All it did was made the cost of a home more expensive and thus increased borrowings.
9. Reduce VRT on cars with lower emissions and reintroduce a scrappage scheme.
Yes i agree here too.the scrappage scheme was a great idea.
10. Reduce all state benefits ie. unemployment benefits, children's allowances by the projected rate of deflation (4 to 6%)
Fuck that.Sort out the welfare of foreigners signing on first and then play around with reductions.
11. Abolish all subsidies and grants for private hospitals and schools.
I agree with this based onb the fact that we cannot afford it.
12. Reintroduce University fees and higher means tested grants for third level students.
Yes defo to this.
13. Increase income tax rates to 25%,48%,60% (and 100% for all salaries above 500,000)
This could very well happen over the course of the next year or two.
14. Abolish minimum wage legislation.
Not sure on this one.
15. Scrap state quangos.
State what? :o:D
16. Sell off or privatise selected semi-states.
Agreed.
17. Scrap the HSE.
Agreed.
18. Replace the Army with a national borderguard/coastguard service.
Agreed.
19. Establish a National Bank of Ireland under state ownership.
Agreed.
20. Abolish Seaned Eireann.
Yes agreed here too.
21. Increase corporation tax to 20 to 25%.
No way .Dont agree here unless the cost of running a buisness is ruduced in Ireland.
22. Legislate to cap professional fees i.e. Doctors, Dentists, Solicitors, Auctioneers etc. or alternatively set up a state owned structure to provide professional services in competition to them.
Agreed.This is a very troublesome area these last few years.They have flaed the situation.
23. Introduce a 3 day per week community service scheme for those in receipt of unemployment assistance together with a travel/subsistance allowance. (Those who dont participate would receive a lower rate of unemployment assistance).
Yes and no.Sort of half agree.
24. Close off tax loop-holes. E.g. Bono can now pay his fair share instead of mouthing off to the rest of us.
I think the whole country bar those affected would agree with this.
I would also like to see,
abolishment of the duel abode allowance and instead cheaper accomodation for TDs.
a realistic cap on TDs expenses.
means testing on medical cards.No reason for someone with alarge pension getting a medical card.
an abolishment of state paid pensions as per civil service.Not an abolishment of the old age pension but state paid job pensions to public sector workers.
a reinintroduction of more affordable rail transport and an overhaul of public servive transport in terms of realiabilty.
an abolishment of the liberty of civil service workers or TDS to retain their right to their employment.
a reinintroduction of capital punishment.
a realistic cap on the welfre payments of foreign workers and an standard wage for all regardless of nationality making job seeking more competitive again.
more control and greater vetting of immigrants,
an armed police force,
reinintroduction of training scheames that used to exist,
an abolishment of job related bonuses to very high paid employees or at least a standard capping on the ammounts.
an abolishment of pay rises giving to banking staff post bail out.
stricter controls of the sale of land and control of the pricing.
a greater focus (not sure of what form) on domestic industry involving protecion of farming sectors,post offices,and a greater control on the sale of certain commodities such as alchohol and pharmacustical products by large supermarkets.More protection and encouragement for our domestic industries.
Cal should be fucked out of the country,
Westside.
annasavicha
06-04-09, 07:03
You can't argue because you are an ***** that has little grasp on reality at the best of times.
So when are you going to tell the immigrant escort that you follow around like a lapdog that she should go back to Latvia.
Cal i will never go to Latvia.
You cud get an invitation to an mixed race christening in 2 years or so.
From Your darling Immigrant who planning to have an Irish babies
annasavicha
06-04-09, 07:08
LOL Are you going to tell her that you think that she should go home.
Is Anna affecting your lineage by making you not want to have sex with your sister.
Cal you can go and fuck yourself
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 07:15
If girl has to have sex with certain race or man not to be concidered a racist,in my eyes it s almost a rape.
Does any of guys feel good doing this to any girl???????
the very same as you have to perfom sex acts that you dont want to or feel comforatble doing.If you dont your racist and also nasty or maybe even greedy too.See this same clown calls me a racist and sees hothing wrong with a girl not wanting to see a guy.Maybe he looked rough,smelly,drunk,or maybe he was a midget or left his fly open and had a small micky dangling out.Who knows.How can any Chinaman come on here cribbing about racism when he chose Chop Suey as his username ffs.He was more annoyed that she just didnt want to see him and just choose racism as an excuse.
If you want to do something for this country Chopy then bring down the cost of chinese food.A greedy collection.About a tenner for a few old pieces of onion,one or two miniscule bits of pepper (probably to enchance the customers drunkness) and a piece of lettice and oh about three or four pieces of the meat garnish with watered down kangaroos piss.You find more meat on a minature chihuahas penis and more flavour on a week old tom cats urine.
Apparently if you dont want to see ppl from your own country your wrong,if Sexy doesnt want to see (no pun intended) dwarfs ,she is wrong.If a girl doesnt want to do CIM she is wrong,yet some of these clowns call me a racist because im at least honest enough to admit im not too fond of certain races.Apparently for all my nasty faults i wouldnt once criticise another human for not wanting to perform certain things or seeing certain ppl ,fuck i wouldnt even ask a woman to do something to me.
I like the Chinese though,every house should have one,
Westside.
annasavicha
06-04-09, 07:26
the very same as you have to perfom sex acts that you dont want to or feel comforatble doing.If you dont your racist and also nasty or maybe even greedy too.See this same clown calls me a racist and sees hothing wrong with a girl not wanting to see a guy.Maybe he looked rough,smelly,drunk,or maybe he was a midget or left his fly open and had a small micky dangling out.Who knows.How can any Chinaman come on here cribbing about racism when he chose Chop Suey as his username ffs.He was more annoyed that she just didnt want to see him and just choose racism as an excuse.
If you want to do something for this country Chopy then bring down the cost of chinese food.A greedy collection.About a tenner for a few old pieces of onion,one or two miniscule bits of pepper (probably to enchance the customers drunkness) and a piece of lettice and oh about three or four pieces of the meat garnish with watered down kangaroos piss.You find more meat on a minature chihuahas penis and more flavour on a week old tom cats urine.
Apparently if you dont want to see ppl from your own country your wrong,if Sexy doesnt want to see (no pun intended) dwarfs ,she is wrong.If a girl doesnt want to do CIM she is wrong,yet some of these clowns call me a racist because im at least honest enough to admit im not too fond of certain races.Apparently for all my nasty faults i wouldnt once criticise another human for not wanting to perform certain things or seeing certain ppl ,fuck i wouldnt even ask a woman to do something to me.
I like the Chinese though,every house should have one,
Westside.
Thats why probably i m doing my own thing without giving shit what i will get told and what they will say.
If i dont feel comfortable,i never pressurise myself into anything,and if i feel comfortable only seeing guys over 30,it s my choice,if i feel comfortable seeing guys mostly irish/uk origin,it s my choice and i will never be pushed into something i dont want to do.
It s moral/emotional rape to start with.
And guys that complaing girl not seeing him made him feel bad.........would it make him feel better girl having sex with him against her will???????
Is that what they want?????
Every time they pull a race card and i think it s low.....
I have refused irish man,indian,chinese,russian,lithuanian etc......does that make me racist towards all countries including my own and just not towards myself only?
No,i just refused to do something i did not felt comfortable with.
I will never do anything i m not comfortable with.
And anyone pulling race card can stick it up his own ass.
I slept with lithuanian woman,malasian,chinese,irish,african, and with man also,if i wud be racist i wud never had any of them in my bed.
Now shut up and look at your own faults why she cud of would not want to see man she did not seen.
If girl has to have sex with certain race or man not to be concidered a racist,in my eyes it s almost a rape.
Does any of guys feel good doing this to any girl???????
If you reread the posts, Stewie never accused the escort in question of racism for not wanting to see Asian clients. He accused nicegirlsarenice of racism, because of his obsession with racial purity and the danger of ``breeding with other races.''
If girl has to have sex with certain race or man not to be concidered a racist,in my eyes it s almost a rape.
Does any of guys feel good doing this to any girl???????
Of course a girl doesn't have to see anyone she doesn't want to.
I never said the girl had to have sex with anyone, As far as I'm concerned its completely up to her, who she wants to see or not see.
In fact there is no proof that the guy being Asian had anything to do with it maybe she looked out the window and just did not like the look of him.
Cal you can go and fuck yourself
I think you should re read my posts
A guy who is obsessed with you thinks immigrants should not be allowed in the country I was pointing out the stupidity of his any immigrant views given his obsession with yourself.
Cal i will never go to Latvia.
You cud get an invitation to an mixed race christening in 2 years or so.
From Your darling Immigrant who planning to have an Irish babies
Nothing unusual in you picking up the wrong end of the stick and running with it
I never said anything against you and I never suggested you should go to Latvia or anywhere else.
I merely pointed out that you are an immigrant which you are and that Nicegirlsarenice who has an obsession with you is opposed to letting immigrants stay in this country.
Personally I have nothing against immigrants including yourself.
Can I suggest you get your head out of your arse and look at the what I wrote.
seriously you spent more time on this thread trying to drag me down than hiding the hypocriscy of the fact that your pretending the situation doesnt bother you along with trying to be a hero in front of all of the foreign escorts here.
You my friend are a hypocrite,
Westside.
Listen you are so arrogant you seem to believe you know what I really think.
So i will say it again it does not bother me in the slightest how many east Europeans or any other nationality are in receipt of social welfare or live here.
They get what they are entitled to the same as everyone else. They paid their tax they paid their PRSI and they are entitled to the benifits that brings end of story.
I take your point Westie about the welfare and regulations maybe being to soft....but remember we have to treat other EU nationals in Ireland in the same way as our own nationals just as they must treat us equally to their nationals in their countries.
One could make the arguement that the welfare benefits here are much higher than in most other EU countries and regulation much more lax (even compared to our nearest neighbours across the water). But then the costs of most things, rent, electricity, food, socialising etc are also high here compared to the other EU countries. If we want to have any hope of regaining lost competitiveness, we need to push costs down so that the manufacturing and services sectors, which should be driving the economy forward can compete internationally. Lower input and transaction costs and overheads should result in a reduction in the costs of outputs and therefore lower prices for business and private consumers. There is no point in having lower corporation tax rates here if companies are unable to generate profits because of the high cost base of being located here.
So putting my money where my mouth is, this is what I would do if I were delivering the budget tomorrow:
1. Reduce VAT to UK levels or slightly below.
2. Reduce Employer's PRSI contributions.
3. Increase the employee PRSI contribution rate and abolish the ceiling.
4. Private medical insurance would no longer be tax deductable.
5. Between 5% and 33.3% reductions in public sector pay (depending on salary levels from Uachtaran na hEireann down) and benchmark public sector pay against private sector pay.
6. Semi state bodies and all companies in receipt on public monies (bailouts) to be subject to new civil service pay scales.
7. Property tax on all properties bar the main family home.
8. Abolish stamp duty on property transactions.
9. Reduce VRT on cars with lower emissions and reintroduce a scrappage scheme.
10. Reduce all state benefits ie. unemployment benefits, children's allowances by the projected rate of deflation (4 to 6%)
11. Abolish all subsidies and grants for private hospitals and schools.
12. Reintroduce University fees and higher means tested grants for third level students.
13. Increase income tax rates to 25%,48%,60% (and 100% for all salaries above 500,000)
14. Abolish minimum wage legislation.
15. Scrap state quangos.
16. Sell off or privatise selected semi-states.
17. Scrap the HSE.
18. Replace the Army with a national borderguard/coastguard service.
19. Establish a National Bank of Ireland under state ownership.
20. Abolish Seaned Eireann.
21. Increase corporation tax to 20 to 25%.
22. Legislate to cap professional fees i.e. Doctors, Dentists, Solicitors, Auctioneers etc. or alternatively set up a state owned structure to provide professional services in competition to them.
23. Introduce a 3 day per week community service scheme for those in receipt of unemployment assistance together with a travel/subsistance allowance. (Those who dont participate would receive a lower rate of unemployment assistance).
24. Close off tax loop-holes. E.g. Bono can now pay his fair share instead of mouthing off to the rest of us.
Anybody else out there prepared to lash their colours to the mast? Post your proposals.
Most of its ok Carlos
Some of it I would disagree with
Across the board cuts in public service pay I would set at the very least a minimum under which that would not apply some of the pay rates in the civil service are shockingly low. for example cleaners, security staff, clerical officers etc.
I would not scrap stamp duty on property it either has to be stamp duty or property tax.
I think our history of selling semi state companies has been a disaster for this state for example Eircom etc personally I would not trust this shower to sell anything.
I would not cut all state benefits particularly for pensioners yes there is deflation but that is being dragged down by things that pensioners don't use the cost of food, heating, electricity etc is not coming down.
Increasing corporation tax is actually more likely to make matters worse plenty of companies still here because they are taking advantage of the low corporation tax a lower percentage of something is better than a higher percentage of nothing.
The 3 day week community service while in principal it sounds appealing in reality the cost of implementing such a scheme may cost more than just leaving people as they are. There is also the issue that you may stymie job creation as work is being done for little cost
carlos marvado
06-04-09, 12:02
Most of its ok Carlos
Some of it I would disagree with
Across the board cuts in public service pay I would set at the very least a minimum under which that would not apply some of the pay rates in the civil service are shockingly low. for example cleaners, security staff, clerical officers etc.
I would not scrap stamp duty on property it either has to be stamp duty or property tax.
I think our history of selling semi state companies has been a disaster for this state for example Eircom etc personally I would not trust this shower to sell anything.
I would not cut all state benefits particularly for pensioners yes there is deflation but that is being dragged down by things that pensioners don't use the cost of food, heating, electricity etc is not coming down.
Increasing corporation tax is actually more likely to make matters worse plenty of companies still here because they are taking advantage of the low corporation tax a lower percentage of something is better than a higher percentage of nothing.
The 3 day week community service while in principal it sounds appealing in reality the cost of implementing such a scheme may cost more than just leaving people as they are. There is also the issue that you may stymie job creation as work is being done for little cost
Cal my suggestions regarding the minimum reductions in public sector pay of 5% for the lowest paid and for welfare reductions is that they should be neutral in the sense that lower VAT rates (which could be weighted in favour of the essentials that most of those affected spend a higher proportion of their income on) and reductions in energy prices (run a more efficient ESB as a not for profit organisation or introduce more competition and renewable energy) plus better third level maintenance grants etc. would leave the weakest in society with an unchanged purchasing power.
Property tax on second and subsequent properties (other than the main family home) would be a tax on speculative investments and purchase to rent activity and should be related to the income gained from the property. Because of the debate and speculation about the abolition of stamp duty, property transactions have been held back for a long time with people holding off from trading up or down. Given the uncertainty about how far prices have yet to fall, it would probably be difficult to do much to stimulate the market until people perceive that the bottom has been reached. But the abolition of Stamp Duty would be a clear signal of the state supporting activity in the housing market and as the tax is'nt bringing in that much these days, it would'nt be a great loss.
Eircom agreed.....it was over valued. However, if you look at what has happened in the mobile market since competition was introduced, prices have come down. More competition in the electricity generation and supply and transport areas should also benefit business and private consumers.
As far as corporation taxes are concerned, I think more companies would be attracted here if we had a lower cost base (employment costs, overheads, transaction costs, and a better infrastructure) which enabled them to generate greater profits. Our current low tax regime does'nt seem to be able to keep jobs here because multinationals can make greater profits elsewhere. So I would rather see a tax on profits than on jobs and job creation.
Community service for those on social welfare should not be structured so as to create a barrier against job creation in the private sector. It could however be used to provide extra manpower to assist in the delivery of a range of social services (home-help, meals on wheels, assistance in retirement homes, community projects, tidy towns work etc.) In some countries that have military service, community service is an alternative available for conscientious objectors. Of course there is a cost in administering such a scheme, but a transfer of those public sector staff who are currently underutilised could enable it to be organised and administered. We have a proud history of voluntarism here.......so it's more a question of putting it on a statutory national footing and giving the unemployed an incentive to participate. Apart from the community and societal benefits, there are strong arguements to be made on a human level for keeping people active and involved.
I have'nt made any suggestions for the agribusiness sector as I dont have that much knowledge......I was hopeing Qph might come up with some ideas there. :D But diversification might be a good start if it were into profitable areas. Anita made a good suggestion about ethanol on this or another thread. Anything that can be produced efficiently and profitably at home and which replaces foreign imports should be supported and grant aided.
Anyway brothers and sisters, I'm off to write my alternative budget speech......with a little help from Qph. :D:D:D
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 12:22
Listen you are so arrogant you seem to believe you know what I really think.
So i will say it again it does not bother me in the slightest how many east Europeans or any other nationality are in receipt of social welfare or live here.
They get what they are entitled to the same as everyone else. They paid their tax they paid their PRSI and they are entitled to the benifits that brings end of story.
your still a hypocrite.
Westside.
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 12:25
Most of its ok Carlos
Some of it I would disagree with
Across the board cuts in public service pay I would set at the very least a minimum under which that would not apply some of the pay rates in the civil service are shockingly low. for example cleaners, security staff, clerical officers etc.
I would not scrap stamp duty on property it either has to be stamp duty or property tax.
I think our history of selling semi state companies has been a disaster for this state for example Eircom etc personally I would not trust this shower to sell anything.
I would not cut all state benefits particularly for pensioners yes there is deflation but that is being dragged down by things that pensioners don't use the cost of food, heating, electricity etc is not coming down.
Increasing corporation tax is actually more likely to make matters worse plenty of companies still here because they are taking advantage of the low corporation tax a lower percentage of something is better than a higher percentage of nothing.
The 3 day week community service while in principal it sounds appealing in reality the cost of implementing such a scheme may cost more than just leaving people as they are. There is also the issue that you may stymie job creation as work is being done for little cost
the cost of electricity did come down to the consumer but will be offset by the increases of taxes in tommorows budget so ppl will no better for it ,possibly worse.
i wasnt saying they work for fuck all.That was a throw away remark ffs.What i menat by fuck all was that they work for f'off on a comparative basis.
Your right, you didn't say they work for "fuck all" you said "way less"......I see the differance now....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Do us a favour with your throw away remarks, throw them away instead of putting them here!!!
Comparative basis??? Comparative to what??? The greediness of some Irish workers......
Its not that the Irish think that its below them to work for minimum wage.Its that the standard of living entails us having to be paid wages above that for a sustainable reasonble livlihood.Not only that but alot jobs are above minimum wage including the Eastern European ridden construction industry.Your not suggesting that we alter our standard of living to suit Eastern Europe are you?
If you didn't know, the cost of living here is the same for everybody!!!
What are you saying, that an Irish person should be paid above the minimum wage, in the same job as an Eastern European is doing for minimum wage because what??? They get cheaper electricity, rent, food etc. than an Irish person???
You ask me am i for real?Serious you completly out of touch with the stark reality of the situation.
Westie I'm living in the stark reality of the situation......
I'm not going to tell you how I fill my days, but I can tell you in this matter, I'm well in touch. The lower paid sector of employment in this country is mostly being filled by non nationals. Fact. Reason. Many Irish will not do many of these jobs, they won't even apply for them!!! Fact!!!
Next youll be saying that we should become a Commuinist state next.Trust me when i say lots of Irish are agreeable to what i am saying here but they dont say anything due to fear of being called a racist.
I agree with you here, not the Communist state thing.
Lots of people do feel that all the foreigners should go home....
Lost of people do think that that shouldn't get state benefits....
Lots of people do think they are putting a drain on the economy that we can't afford....
Less and less people are afraid to speak about it...... and more and more will soon......
But they can't be sent home and they can't be denied state benefits that they are entitles to. Fact!!!
Westside.
What you're going on and on about is a wish list. In the real world wished don't always come true. No matter how much we wish for them, or how much we think we deserve them.
That's just the way the world works, it's not always fair and we can't always change it.....
Some times we just have to accept it and get on with it, even though we may not like it or agree with it....
But that's the real world....... Fact.......
your still a hypocrite.
Westside.
And your still a clueless gobshite but we won't linger on it.
annasavicha
06-04-09, 14:00
If you reread the posts, Stewie never accused the escort in question of racism for not wanting to see Asian clients. He accused nicegirlsarenice of racism, because of his obsession with racial purity and the danger of ``breeding with other races.''
I red it all,i made that comment in general and i did not implied cal did such thing so pls no accusations.
Do i say Cal said such thing?
Yes or no?
Answer is no,as i did not.
annasavicha
06-04-09, 14:01
Of course a girl doesn't have to see anyone she doesn't want to.
I never said the girl had to have sex with anyone, As far as I'm concerned its completely up to her, who she wants to see or not see.
In fact there is no proof that the guy being Asian had anything to do with it maybe she looked out the window and just did not like the look of him.
Sorry cal i did not said u said such thing i said that in general just came out i quoted that on yours as i paid to your comments special attention
annasavicha
06-04-09, 14:08
I think you should re read my posts
A guy who is obsessed with you thinks immigrants should not be allowed in the country I was pointing out the stupidity of his any immigrant views given his obsession with yourself.
So what he obsessed with me...
Have he done any harm to me?
NO!!!!!
So leave him alone!!!!
I did not said to u fuck urself for that
I found offensive the sisters comment in general and pulling me into u getting back at him.
Am i immigrant?
Yes,as i am.
But i pay tax,and i ve no welfare and i even did not asked for single mothers allowances and any allowances even i cud,so i find myself equeal,as i pay tax and i do not take what dont belong to me or what other people need more than i do.
I do not find calling myself immmigrant offensive but remarks about sister i do find offensive,or whose business is if he does run around like dog as u said.....
................u have not seen the ones that does that.............he s not hiding it......there are loads worse people who do it silently.......
at the end of the day no reason to insult him as he s harmless,he s entitled to his opinion.
Dont like his opinion,do not read it and no insults as there s the ugliness come out.
it s not ugly when ppl think different or what they think
insulting is ugly and it s not even opinion.
annasavicha
06-04-09, 14:14
Nothing unusual in you picking up the wrong end of the stick and running with it
I never said anything against you and I never suggested you should go to Latvia or anywhere else.
I merely pointed out that you are an immigrant which you are and that Nicegirlsarenice who has an obsession with you is opposed to letting immigrants stay in this country.
Personally I have nothing against immigrants including yourself.
Can I suggest you get your head out of your arse and look at the what I wrote.
Yes you asked Nice when he is asking me to leave the country as for being an immigrant and to save time and effort i stated to let u know i aint going anywhere.
I was clarifying before any further questions come up.
My head is still in my arse and i can see it the same way where u said it.
So what he obsessed with me...
Have he done any harm to me?
NO!!!!!
So leave him alone!!!!
I did not said to u fuck urself for that
I found offensive the sisters comment in general and pulling me into u getting back at him.
Am i immigrant?
Yes,as i am.
But i pay tax,and i ve no welfare and i even did not asked for single mothers allowances and any allowances even i cud,so i find myself equeal,as i pay tax and i do not take what dont belong to me or what other people need more than i do.
I do not find calling myself immmigrant offensive but remarks about sister i do find offensive,or whose business is if he does run around like dog as u said.....
................u have not seen the ones that does that.............he s not hiding it......there are loads worse people who do it silently.......
at the end of the day no reason to insult him as he s harmless,he s entitled to his opinion.
Dont like his opinion,do not read it and no insults as there s the ugliness come out.
it s not ugly when ppl think different or what they think
insulting is ugly and it s not even opinion.
Again your missing the point although nothing new in that
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of him obsessing on an Escort who is an immigrant while at the same time espousing anti immigrant views.
I never said he did harm to you but I don't think his racial purity views are harmless.
And personally I could not give a shit who follows you around in secret or in public but if I see someone being hypocritical then I will point it out.
But perhaps having a lapdog massages your ego so you can forgive him of his views no matter how outlandish.
And I don't know why you are telling me about your situation I never said you weren't welcome here you should address that to your pal nicegirls
Yes you asked Nice when he is asking me to leave the country as for being an immigrant and to save time and effort i stated to let u know i aint going anywhere.
I was clarifying before any further questions come up.
My head is still in my arse and i can see it the same way where u said it.
Because he is anti immigrant I asked him was he going to tell you you should leave the country given that he is somewhat obsessed with you.
insulting is ugly and it s not even opinion.
BTW pmsl
If anyone has no right to stand on the moral high ground about insults its yourself, your not behind the door at dishing out the insults when you want to.
experienced punter
06-04-09, 14:48
There are too many immigrants in the country at the moment & they are driving down the cost of wages I dont think there has been racism shown by anybody on this thread the problem being with the introduction of political correctness years ago people have become reluctant to voice their opinion in the open in fear of being labelled racist now its a case of people talk among friends if they have opinion about immigrants but u simply cannot ignore the scamming that is going on amongst immigrants here too e.g claiming dole here & working in England, working 2yrs here qualifying for social welfare then just getting dole/rent allowance etc just living off our taxes
on RTE News today every non-national will have to show photo ID collecting dole such is the serious nature of fraud going on amongst non-nationals here these are the some of the same people were told we couldn't do without here I object to my taxes being used like this..
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 15:07
There are too many immigrants in the country at the moment & they are driving down the cost of wages I dont think there has been racism shown by anybody on this thread the problem being with the introduction of political correctness years ago people have become reluctant to voice their opinion in the open in fear of being labelled racist now its a case of people talk among friends if they have opinion about immigrants but u simply cannot ignore the scamming that is going on amongst immigrants here too e.g claiming dole here & working in England, working 2yrs here qualifying for social welfare then just getting dole/rent allowance etc just living off our taxes
on RTE News today every non-national will have to show photo ID collecting dole such is the serious nature of fraud going on amongst non-nationals here these are the some of the same people were told we couldn't do without here I object to my taxes being used like this..
Most are scared to say anything for fear of being called racist.I didnt even think of the scamming to be honest.There are simply too many of them signing on and we cannot afford it.
Fact,
Westside.
Most are scared to say anything for fear of being called racist.I didnt even think of the scamming to be honest.There are simply too many of them signing on and we cannot afford it.
Fact,
Westside.
How many ?
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 15:09
How many ?
Westside....................
Westside....................
Well if you have no idea how many there are how can you say there are too many?
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 16:05
Well if you have no idea how many there are how can you say there are too many?
and thats too much considering the present economical climate.Of course i dont have an exact figure.I dont think you realise the long term damage this could do.
We need every grand we have,
Westside.
and thats too much considering the present economical climate.Of course i dont have an exact figure.I dont think you realise the long term damage this could do.
We need every grand we have,
Westside.
See the reality is they are entitled to it
So even if the government did what you suggest, the EU would fine them and force them to pay the money anyway, not too mention the damage you would do to Irelands reputation by even trying to take something away from people who paid their contributions and are entitled to the social welfare.
The long term damage of doing what you suggest would destroy the country for years if we ever recovered, our standing amongst our fellow EU member states would fall through the floor.
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 16:26
See the reality is they are entitled to it
So even if the government did what you suggest, the EU would fine them and force them to pay the money anyway, not too mention the damage you would do to Irelands reputation by even trying to take something away from people who paid their contributions and are entitled to the social welfare.
The long term damage of doing what you suggest would destroy the country for years if we ever recovered, our standing amongst our fellow EU member states would fall through the floor.
but look how the gov got a referendum passed by saying lets have another one because we dont like the rsults of the first one.The gov could do something.Im not saying to put them all on a canoe and let them off Mizen head.Im saying that they need to have stricter controls of immigration and welfare to them.
Sooner or later every country has to get strict on immigration.They have done it in the US,Austrailia,two of the more popular immigrant areas and far richer areas than us,although Austrailia is pretty much a continent.
We have to have more control as we cannot afford not to.How we do it is another thing.
Westside.
Sooner or later every country has to get strict on immigration.They have done it in the US,Austrailia,two of the more popular immigrant areas and far richer areas than us.
As I've come to expect from you, none of this is even vaguely correct. The US remains more open to immigration than Ireland. I know, having dealt with immigration authorities in both countries. I think Australia is also still more liberal, despite the nuttiness of its previous (Howard) government, but I don't have personal experience there. As for the US and Australia being ``far richer'' the latest IMF figures for per capita GDP are
Ireland 64,660
Australia 50,150
US 47,025
so they are considerably poorer. Could I suggest that you stop posting about things you clearly know nothing about?
but look how the gov got a referendum passed by saying lets have another one because we dont like the rsults of the first one.The gov could do something.Im not saying to put them all on a canoe and let them off Mizen head.Im saying that they need to have stricter controls of immigration and welfare to them.
Sooner or later every country has to get strict on immigration.They have done it in the US,Austrailia,two of the more popular immigrant areas and far richer areas than us,although Austrailia is pretty much a continent.
We have to have more control as we cannot afford not to.How we do it is another thing.
Westside.
Residence rights of EU/EEA nationals in Ireland-Information from CitizensInformation.ie (http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/moving-country/moving-to-ireland/rights-of-residence-in-ireland/residence_rights_EU_national)
There are controls
What you don't seem to grasp is that those getting the dole meet the requirements they are not jumping off planes and heading straight to Social Welfare to sign on.
As for tighter restrictions the current estimates are that there will be net migration from this country this year.
annasavicha
06-04-09, 18:01
Again your missing the point although nothing new in that
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of him obsessing on an Escort who is an immigrant while at the same time espousing anti immigrant views.
I dont give shit about it
I never said he did harm to you but I don't think his racial purity views are harmless.
and about this too
And personally I could not give a shit who follows you around in secret or in public but if I see someone being hypocritical then I will point it out.
and i cud not give shit what u give shit about
But perhaps having a lapdog massages your ego so you can forgive him of his views no matter how outlandish.
None of your business
And I don't know why you are telling me about your situation I never said you weren't welcome here you should address that to your pal nicegirls
YOU ASKED WHEN IS HE TELLING ME TO GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOT IT????????
annasavicha
06-04-09, 18:06
how many irish immigrants are in the US???????
NO VISA NO NOTHING!!!
THEY CANT EVEN GO HOME TO FAMILY FUNERAL BIRTHDAYS AND WEDDIND...........!!!!!!!!!!!11
NOW,DARLINGS,POKE FINGER IN THE OTHER EYES WHEN U TAKE THREE OUTTA YOURS
I dont give shit about it
and about this too
and i cud not give shit what u give shit about
None of your business
YOU ASKED WHEN IS HE TELLING ME TO GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOT IT????????
Anna cop yourself on
Yeah I asked him because that is the logical extension if he doesn't want immigrants in the country HELLO he doesn't want you.
No go and untwist your knickers maybe the sycophant will massage your ego some more.
how many irish immigrants are in the US???????
NO VISA NO NOTHING!!!
THEY CANT EVEN GO HOME TO FAMILY FUNERAL BIRTHDAYS AND WEDDIND...........!!!!!!!!!!!11
NOW,DARLINGS,POKE FINGER IN THE OTHER EYES WHEN U TAKE THREE OUTTA YOURS
I already made that point if they want to start sending immigrants home there are 2 million Irish citizens in Britain alone.
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 18:16
As I've come to expect from you, none of this is even vaguely correct. The US remains more open to immigration than Ireland. I know, having dealt with immigration authorities in both countries. I think Australia is also still more liberal, despite the nuttiness of its previous (Howard) government, but I don't have personal experience there. As for the US and Australia being ``far richer'' the latest IMF figures for per capita GDP are
Ireland 64,660
Australia 50,150
US 47,025
so they are considerably poorer. Could I suggest that you stop posting about things you clearly know nothing about?
GDP is only one of the means of economic health although the broadest one.So are you saying that if US picked up,we picked up that we would be richer than the US?And you say i speak nonsense?The key words in your statement " the latest IMF figures for per capita GDP are" which as far as im aware are measured by the quarter.Also these figures dont "neccessarily" give a true indication of a countries overall wealth.In fact its more of a measure of temporary performance than wealth although a person could argue that they are one and the same.Also in any event real GDP takes inflation into account and inflation rates differ also and that also includes different quarters within the same economy although it can remain fairly static.
If i have 1 billion and you have two billion but i earned 100,000 more than you in the last quarter who is richer?You are but who performance is richer?Mine.So are GDP meaures and overall wealth the same?Not neccessarly.
Also imports are subtracted from total GDP because consumer purchases of imports are not counted in GDP and the US has a current account deficit importing (this is when a countrys total imports is greater than the countrys total exports.) more than is exported.So obviously those figures above do not give a true view of a countries wealth but more of a countries economic performance which arent the same thing.GDP are often prone to revisions which can also change previosly figures and since its a % and change of 1% is enourmous.
Your confusing wealth and economic performance and say i speak nonsense?By the way,i know very little ,only the basics of economics and never considered myself an economic wizard.You might be if you didnt rely on google so much.
Sincerely,
Westside.
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 18:22
Residence rights of EU/EEA nationals in Ireland-Information from CitizensInformation.ie (http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/moving-country/moving-to-ireland/rights-of-residence-in-ireland/residence_rights_EU_national)
There are controls
What you don't seem to grasp is that those getting the dole meet the requirements they are not jumping off planes and heading straight to Social Welfare to sign on.
As for tighter restrictions the current estimates are that there will be net migration from this country this year.
what you dont seem to grasp is that your repeating yourself over and over again and again and im getting just as bad at this stage.
The current estimates?Seriosuly would you really take any notice of any current estimates in this country after three failed attempts at getting a bloody budget right.I will simplify it for Brian.We owe 100 therefore if we want to cover our debts and build something for 5 and buy something for 2 and provide a service for 3 we have to get 110 + in this years returns for to have a surplus budget next year.Where is the genius in that?
Its all about saving costs from here on and what im saying here ,greater control of immigration is one way of doing it.
Hugs and kisses,
Westside.
Tommy Singh
06-04-09, 18:25
look at all the trouble they cause?:D
Lovely little folks them Chinese,
Westside.
You are correct that GDP is a measure of economic activity rather than of wealth. But if you are deciding whether your economy has room to absorb immigrants then economic activity is what you want to look at. Your points about revisions and trade deficits are valid in theory, but in practice the effects are much smaller than the difference between Ireland's GDP and those of the US and Australia. And yes, to find the GDP figures (which are annual rather quarterly, for what it's worth) I searched on google. It's better than spouting a lot of uninformed nonsense. You should try it some time.
what you dont seem to grasp is that your repeating yourself over and over again and again and im getting just as bad at this stage.
The current estimates?Seriosuly would you really take any notice of any current estimates in this country after three failed attempts at getting a bloody budget right.I will simplify it for Brian.We owe 100 therefore if we want to cover our debts and build something for 5 and buy something for 2 and provide a service for 3 we have to get 110 + in this years returns for to have a surplus budget next year.Where is the genius in that?
Its all about saving costs from here on and what im saying here ,greater control of immigration is one way of doing it.
Hugs and kisses,
Westside.
Eh i'm only repeating myself because you keep making the the same point
Don't know how may ways I can spell it out. The government could not do what you want even if they wanted to. There are rules and they have to keep to them they can't unilaterally just change the EU immigration rules on their own.
97% of immigrants here are EU citizens I gave you a link to the rules governing it thats what the government has to follow.
And anyone entering the country Today will have to work for 2 years to be able to claim social welfare here.
Surplus budget next year LMAO if we see a surplus buget in the next 7 years it will be a fucking miracle.
Tommy Singh
07-04-09, 05:06
You are correct that GDP is a measure of economic activity rather than of wealth. But if you are deciding whether your economy has room to absorb immigrants then economic activity is what you want to look at. Your points about revisions and trade deficits are valid in theory, but in practice the effects are much smaller than the difference between Ireland's GDP and those of the US and Australia. And yes, to find the GDP figures (which are annual rather quarterly, for what it's worth) I searched on google. It's better than spouting a lot of uninformed nonsense. You should try it some time.
Whats this but nonsense.What i have said and for the last time is i have given an opinion,my own personal opinion as i see it,which may be right ,wrong and somewhere in the middle but its my opion nontheless.this doesnt make a me a racist.
Secondly its this very attitude that Ireland is richer than the US or we are a rich country has contributed to our downfall as much as anything else.
By the way my uninformed nonsense comes from my own head and not from some google search.We can compare figures till the cows come home but there are simply too many variables and the very fact that GDP as in Gross is the most accurate form of measurement of the countries performance just goes to show how inaccurate alot of these measurements are.
Westside.
Tommy Singh
07-04-09, 05:10
Eh i'm only repeating myself because you keep making the the same point
Don't know how may ways I can spell it out. The government could not do what you want even if they wanted to. There are rules and they have to keep to them they can't unilaterally just change the EU immigration rules on their own.
97% of immigrants here are EU citizens I gave you a link to the rules governing it thats what the government has to follow.
And anyone entering the country Today will have to work for 2 years to be able to claim social welfare here.
Surplus budget next year LMAO if we see a surplus buget in the next 7 years it will be a fucking miracle.
it just goes to show you are more concerned at trying to belittle me than actually reading,digesting and then giving an opinion.
Hey you found a bum chum though so all was worthwhile.Maybe you two can google holidays for morons and take a well deserved break.
:(
Westside.
PS if you need help reading and interpreting the brochures give me a shout and i get my dog to help you.:D
it just goes to show you are more concerned at trying to belittle me than actually reading,digesting and then giving an opinion.
Hey you found a bum chum though so all was worthwhile.Maybe you two can google holidays for morons and take a well deserved break.
:(
Westside.
PS if you need help reading and interpreting the brochures give me a shout and i get my dog to help you.:D
You don't need me to belittle ya, your doing a great job yourself
I see we are back to the everyone is ganging up on me chip on my shoulder westie as per normal
Tommy Singh
07-04-09, 13:48
You don't need me to belittle ya, your doing a great job yourself
I see we are back to the everyone is ganging up on me chip on my shoulder westie as per normal
whatever.
:(:(:(
Westside.:)
big daddy 69
16-04-09, 15:46
I just found out why she realy wouldnt let him in she took this pic to back her claims that he had already spunked himself & had brought his friend with him for moral support:D:D
http://www.funnyden.com/funnypics/101/bathroom04.gif