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Hi,
We are thinking of trying to get the data ladies share with us about bad clients into a more organised format, like a bad clients database that could be accessed by mobile phone as well as Internet etc.
However one massive problem I see with running bad client databases is how can you be sure reports from escorts are genuine?
I mean, some escorts could abuse the system and submit good client details to it, for revenge if they get a bad review etc. How could we stop that from happening?
I fear the whole thing could be easily abused and innocent clients could have their details in it. This is what puts me off the whole idea. But I would be interested in any suggestions as to how we could run a bad clients database whilst still being fair to clients.
Pat x
Why not try a Tier system, if a client has 1 negative report they go onto your Database, if they get a second they go onto the database accesable by escorts, obviously if a client recives a very bad report he should go straight onto the escorts database.
You could also rate the report on a scale of 1 to 5,
1 being the lowest to 5 being the worst, i would imagine an example would be
1 - Very unhygenic
2 - Verbally abusive
3 - Verbally abusive and threatening
4 - Verbally abusive and physical contact
5 - Actual Bodily harm.
Just some idea's to get the ball rolling cause I have nothing to fear :D:D
I'm no expert, but you would need to be careful when storing data about any individual -- as the Data Protection Acts are quite specific about the manner in which it should be secured, how access is obtained and the individual may have rights of access to his own data.
Also, you might be liable for any negative comments you transmit about an individual.
I'm not trying to be negative - but I would urge you to take advice on this one.
Hi Patricia,
The database is brillant idea but i really believe this subject shoul be discuss between ladies only because by allowing clients to know he have a datadase for bad clients they will just change their sim card and start again, again; and again
This discussion should be in private section only between girls and IE management because we can tell freely what is suitable for us.
Up to now no Clients have been physically attacked by girls so they cant understand our feeling and we never know what it is like to be an escort and serious incident who can occur.
Just my point of view
Sasha Eve
Alec Horan
23-09-08, 20:54
i would presume that ALL clients are Bad.... if you know what I mean
(this little world of ours where being a bit of a Perv is a kinda obligatory ?)
I'm no expert, but you would need to be careful when storing data about any individual -- as the Data Protection Acts are quite specific about the manner in which it should be secured, how access is obtained and the individual may have rights of access to his own data.
Also, you might be liable for any negative comments you transmit about an individual.
I'm not trying to be negative - but I would urge you to take advice on this one.
I would agree with you here that doing a database could open a whole new can of worms like a clients right to enforce action to have his data removed, the right to rectification and erasure of personal data, the right to object, the right to block certain uses of your information the list goes on.
However the data protection act was mainly setup to protect individuals from companies and commercial uses of your information for purposes like marketing, cold calling etc etc.
And at the end of it all if it saves one escort from harm then is done its job and its not like the client is going to even know he is in a database when you think about it and what are escorts going to do wth the data start a life of defrauding people openning up bank accounts or even worse start up a direct mailing company I doubt it.
Why not try a Tier system, if a client has 1 negative report they go onto your Database, if they get a second they go onto the database accesable by escorts, obviously if a client recives a very bad report he should go straight onto the escorts database.
You could also rate the report on a scale of 1 to 5,
1 being the lowest to 5 being the worst, i would imagine an example would be
1 - Very unhygenic
2 - Verbally abusive
3 - Verbally abusive and threatening
4 - Verbally abusive and physical contact
5 - Actual Bodily harm.
Just some idea's to get the ball rolling cause I have nothing to fear :D:D
You can add all that to Escort Watch - and some of you should go and look on there - it is quite an eye opener although i would add its mostly about scissors to the throat and knives and a gun pointed at an escort - that sort of stuff that scares the likes of me - and now with this girl being attached - shocking i hope thats added on there cos it should be.
L
Hi,
We are thinking of trying to get the data ladies share with us about bad clients into a more organised format, like a bad clients database that could be accessed by mobile phone as well as Internet etc.
However one massive problem I see with running bad client databases is how can you be sure reports from escorts are genuine?
I mean, some escorts could abuse the system and submit good client details to it, for revenge if they get a bad review etc. How could we stop that from happening?
I fear the whole thing could be easily abused and innocent clients could have their details in it. This is what puts me off the whole idea. But I would be interested in any suggestions as to how we could run a bad clients database whilst still being fair to clients.
Pat x
Pat turn all that on its head and ask yourself - how can you not stop clients that are peed off with life giving you an undeserved bad review.........
I do think that there should be something other than Escort Watch - although it does do exactly what it says on the tin....... did that post re that lady that was torchured by mature sacha go onto Escort Watch - i also think that it should be posted on IIE - its in everyones benefit - all the London Escort Sites send to one another if there is a dangerous client - mind it is usually if the girls have reported it to the police/garda......difficult one still think that IIE should know about this.
Liz
hardgalwayguy
24-09-08, 15:33
On the Data Protection issue. The data protection act is really to protect information which can be used to identify an individual, name, prsi number etc. I dont believe phone numbers are covered under this.
A Bad Client database, although in theory a good idea with great intentions, won't actually work ............... any punter who has his number listed on a Bad Client list will soon realise that escorts are not answering his phone and he will simply buy a new 10 euro sim card and get a booking with any escort he wishes to meet.
Paws
I dont see an issue with having a database that gives the phone numbers of bad clients, but surely any client that had threatened or attacked an escort is hardly likely to carry on using the same number, based on this there really is no real way of identifying a bad client. What with all the free sims on offer these days and so many clients using a different sim for punting only, how will it ever work?
If anything there should be a database for SAFE CLIENTS. Why not set up a database for clients that are genuine and safe, You could verify that a client is safe by having say 3 escorts verify that client. It would be similar to when one escort might ask for a reference from another escort they have been with to verify they are safe and genuine.
Then if an escort gets a call from a client they can cross reference with the SAFE CLIENTS list, saving the hassle of trying to get in touch with other escorts for references. Then if the said client is not listed on the SAFE CLIENTS list then the escort has to make a reformed decision. Does she take the appointment anyway and just be that extra cautious or does she decide to not go ahead just incase.
Ok the only problem with this idea is how can a client be verified as being SAFE if he is a new punter. He may be very genuine but it might be his first time so he wouldnt have anyone to give him a reference.
Just a thought
I dont see an issue with having a database that gives the phone numbers of bad clients, but surely any client that had threatened or attacked an escort is hardly likely to carry on using the same number, based on this there really is no real way of identifying a bad client. What with all the free sims on offer these days and so many clients using a different sim for punting only, how will it ever work?
If anything there should be a database for SAFE CLIENTS. Why not set up a database for clients that are genuine and safe, You could verify that a client is safe by having say 3 escorts verify that client. It would be similar to when one escort might ask for a reference from another escort they have been with to verify they are safe and genuine.
Then if an escort gets a call from a client they can cross reference with the SAFE CLIENTS list, saving the hassle of trying to get in touch with other escorts for references. Then if the said client is not listed on the SAFE CLIENTS list then the escort has to make a reformed decision. Does she take the appointment anyway and just be that extra cautious or does she decide to not go ahead just incase.
Ok the only problem with this idea is how can a client be verified as being SAFE if he is a new punter. He may be very genuine but it might be his first time so he wouldnt have anyone to give him a reference.
Just a thought
Punterlink has a board where the girls can tell each other about clients.......the clients cannot read anything thats written about them - think thats the best way and its our way of networking all the good, bad and ugly stuff that's going on.
L
carlos marvado
04-10-08, 09:12
I dont see an issue with having a database that gives the phone numbers of bad clients, but surely any client that had threatened or attacked an escort is hardly likely to carry on using the same number, based on this there really is no real way of identifying a bad client. What with all the free sims on offer these days and so many clients using a different sim for punting only, how will it ever work?
If anything there should be a database for SAFE CLIENTS. Why not set up a database for clients that are genuine and safe, You could verify that a client is safe by having say 3 escorts verify that client. It would be similar to when one escort might ask for a reference from another escort they have been with to verify they are safe and genuine.
Then if an escort gets a call from a client they can cross reference with the SAFE CLIENTS list, saving the hassle of trying to get in touch with other escorts for references. Then if the said client is not listed on the SAFE CLIENTS list then the escort has to make a reformed decision. Does she take the appointment anyway and just be that extra cautious or does she decide to not go ahead just incase.
Ok the only problem with this idea is how can a client be verified as being SAFE if he is a new punter. He may be very genuine but it might be his first time so he wouldnt have anyone to give him a reference.
Just a thought
This suggestion makes more sense than the bad clients database option. Bad clients/criminals have cause to change their sim cards, good or safe clients don't. A database of safe clients would need to record their mobile numbers as well as the names they use for punting purposes, to avoid miscreants attempting to impersonate them.
The only drawbacks are, that newbie punters are put at a disadvantage as they will not be on the database and cannot provide references, and many escorts who don't have a good command of the English language won't make use of these facilities.
Despite the drawbacks, this is an option which merits consideration.
sexy.saffron.uk
04-10-08, 12:23
This suggestion makes more sense than the bad clients database option. Bad clients/criminals have cause to change their sim cards, good or safe clients don't. A database of safe clients would need to record their mobile numbers as well as the names they use for punting purposes, to avoid miscreants attempting to impersonate them.
The only drawbacks are, that newbie punters are put at a disadvantage as they will not be on the database and cannot provide references, and many escorts who don't have a good command of the English language won't make use of these facilities.
Despite the drawbacks, this is an option which merits consideration.
I totally agree, but in my opinion with what has happened with me, i would only be seeing guy's ive seen before but as you said what about the new punter's ? I'ts a hot potato! but us girl's have to look after ourselve's to?
themightygreen
05-10-08, 01:29
in northern ireland and scotland i seem to think we have a lot more outcalls so at least the girls can post the addresses in ireland i dont think a punter will use his own phone anyway he just probably uses a walk and talk so in my opinion the whole data base is pointless now dont get me wrong the majority of us all here love a punt after a hard week we go in have the crack and leave (pardon the pun) but a man that goes in to attack a girl punter or not is a rare breed they will attack women working girl or not they are sick in the head so in my opinion they will think it out so what are the girls to do guys:mad:
It is easy to renew phone numbers but many of these buggers are too dense or cocky to do so. I think that it is more important to have a form, like the escort review form, where escorts can put down accurate physical details of threatening or abusive clients along with their phone numbers. This may sound daft but you must remember that these bullies are basically cowards. Profiles can be cross-referenced and different phones can be investigated for records of use. These people are likely to be terrified of any risk of exposure and the knowledge that this type of detailed description of themselves and their phones could exist would help to put manners on many of them.
I do not see an escort reporting a client because of a bad review. It would look too obvious. The chances are that the client will have reviews of other escorts who could be asked for confirmation. Besides that, I think that most reviewers are like myself and do not divulge their identity.
I think that some escorts may be inclined to report good clients to keep them away from other escorts but they would not get away with this too often.
hanging2loose
11-10-08, 11:10
Wouldnt said database be a breach of that whole... Data Protection act, let alone privacy, considering punters are also... you know Consumers...
H2L
maturesasha
11-10-08, 16:59
I think the only answer is hidden camera's. If a guy does attact a girl she had all his details and she can decide to go to the garda or publish the photos or video on the web.