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Half Man and Half Dildo
04-03-13, 19:36
I think this is a very timely opportunity to highlight Justine Reilly's involvement with Ruhama on Ireland's national airwaves.
I know people will probably mention yesterday's Sunday World, but in my opinion Dillon's articles are a secondary consideration at this point in time and it is more important to expose what Ruhama have done.
LaBelleThatcher
04-03-13, 20:14
I think this is a very timely opportunity to highlight Justine Reilly's involvement with Ruhama on Ireland's national airwaves.
I know people will probably mention yesterday's Sunday World, but in my opinion Dillon's articles are a secondary consideration at this point in time and it is more important to expose what Ruhama have done.
I think both are as important as each other and dual proof of the same evil, rotten corruption at the heart of TORL and the wider society...KEEP PESTERING NIALL OVER JUSTINE REILLY TOO.
Fine performance agin by Amber - good to see almost universal support for escorts on the issue (though Niall's show would be generally pre-disposed to those of the more liberally attitude) .Amber made a particularly salient point re Dillon and Sunday World that if they felt that the woman in question was pimped, did they contact the Gardai with their suspicions ? We all know the answer to that - they really are a shower of repulsive fucks
Curvaceous Kate
04-03-13, 22:29
Amber was brilliant bless her. I tried to get through all the way through, but got no where unfortunately. She could have done with some support.
the traveller
04-03-13, 22:43
Not one caller was against sex work,although some felt uncomfortable with letting workers child mind, O.K.. But I wonder where do Ruhama get all their supporters from. It's the same on other forums, the vast majority say legalise it and tax it.
Public opinion is not behind Ruhama so I hope our politicians realise that.
Amber, once again you came across as a very concerned person who felt nothing but sympathy for 'Rose'.
Those gutter press journalists have a lot to answer for, just a poor woman trying to make a go here. All the innuendos in the article about trafficking and pimps was just make believe to give the story more umph! Ruhama and that gutter journalist deserve each other because they both are full of lies, half truths, deceit and misinformation. Both are hypocrites, the paper takes sex phone ads and Ruhamas bosses know all about exploitation in their laundries.
Half Man and Half Dildo
04-03-13, 23:49
But I wonder where do Ruhama get all their supporters from.
I've seen dozens of threads about prostitution on Boards.ie, Politics.ie, and articles on thejournal.ie and the vast majority of posters simply do not believe that in 2013 consenting adults should be criminalised, hell even Dublin City Council doesn't support them, and why is that - because the councillors educated themselves about the issue and did not, as other have done, just swallow Ruhama's bullshit. If you watched the Nolan show on BBC Northern Ireland where Laura debated the issue with Morrow the majority of the audience didn't support it there either.
Have a look at these recent threads on Boards.ie and you'll see what I mean.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056886862 (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056886862)
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056883055 (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056883055)
Unfortunately I only got the start and end of the show tonight so I'll have to wait for it to be made available as a podcast.
To be honest HMHD, i'd say most of those forums would have more male demographic tendencies and are likely to be more likely pro-escort than against.Having said that , I'd say proportionately more mature women would be escort-friendly than their younger sisterhood - i reckon that's because older women have more life-experience and realise that life is in no way sugar-coated and you'll do whatever is necessary to keep your life intact as was the case with 'Rose' . I suspect that younger women would be less tolerant of escorts (threatened by their sexual availability to men ?) .
When the streetworker was being interviewed by Paddy O'Gorman on the Pat Kenny Radio show about three weeks ago , she made a deliberate reference to the help the male garda would give her - thought it was an interesting emphasis at the time . Huge generalisation on my behalf of course but on the few occasions i've has this conversation with socialable company , i've found younger women more offended than understanding of prostitution with 'abuse of women' the core of their argument .
Of course , religious people ,irrespesctive of age alomst always carry the one view
Is there a LINK please, to hear this program from last night ? xx
To be honest HMHD, i'd say most of those forums would have more male demographic tendencies and are likely to be more likely pro-escort than against.Having said that , I'd say proportionately more mature women would be escort-friendly than their younger sisterhood - i reckon that's because older women have more life-experience and realise that life is in no way sugar-coated and you'll do whatever is necessary to keep your life intact as was the case with 'Rose' . I suspect that younger women would be less tolerant of escorts (threatened by their sexual availability to men ?) .
When the streetworker was being interviewed by Paddy O'Gorman on the Pat Kenny Radio show about three weeks ago , she made a deliberate reference to the help the male garda would give her - thought it was an interesting emphasis at the time . Huge generalisation on my behalf of course but on the few occasions i've has this conversation with socialable company , i've found younger women more offended than understanding of prostitution with 'abuse of women' the core of their argument .
Of course , religious people ,irrespesctive of age alomst always carry the one view
Great post! I've noticed this difference among age groups in women also. I wonder is it also partly due to 2 other factors: 1. Prostitution used to be more common afaik (based on the Kinsey statistic for instance), so older women would be more used to it.
2. For lots of women, getting married and in a secure relationship is a goal. Once they're in that position, they care less about the threat to their relationship that prostitution poses. Like yourself, I'm generalising and just guessing, but this is my hunch anyway
Great post! I've noticed this difference among age groups in women also. I wonder is it also partly due to 2 other factors: 1. Prostitution used to be more common afaik (based on the Kinsey statistic for instance), so older women would be more used to it.
2. For lots of women, getting married and in a secure relationship is a goal. Once they're in that position, they care less about the threat to their relationship that prostitution poses. Like yourself, I'm generalising and just guessing, but this is my hunch anyway
In your opinion, prostitution poses a threat to relationships ? xx
In your opinion, prostitution poses a threat to relationships ? xx
Well, actually I should have said "perceived threat".
However, do I think it does genuinely pose a threat? I think it can in certain relationships. Say for instance a guy has an otherwise good relationship with his wife/ gf and a good sex life with her. What if he just let's his curiosity get the better of him and pays an escort. It could just be a big mistake which he regrets as he was actually satisfied sexually. He may be plagued with guilt or his partner could find out. In that case, a relationship could be destroyed over a silly mistake. Or maybe it just lead to a bump in the relationship.
In other cases though, if say a husband has a much higher sex drive than his wife/ gf or their sex life deteriorates, visiting escorts could save an otherwise happy relationship.
So, there's no single answer IMO. I'm probably not the best authority btw. I'm single and 28 y.o., never had a serious relationship and very little experience of escorts either!
In any case, I don't think escorts are the real threat. In the scenarios I gave above, the source of the problem is either a man just being stupid/ selfish or the relationship itself
Curvaceous Kate
05-03-13, 15:30
Well, actually I should have said "perceived threat".
However, do I think it does genuinely pose a threat? I think it can in certain relationships. Say for instance a guy has an otherwise good relationship with his wife/ gf and a good sex life with her. What if he just let's his curiosity get the better of him and pays an escort. It could just be a big mistake which he regrets as he was actually satisfied sexually. He may be plagued with guilt or his partner could find out. In that case, a relationship could be destroyed over a silly mistake. Or maybe it just lead to a bump in the relationship.
In other cases though, if say a husband has a much higher sex drive than his wife/ gf or their sex life deteriorates, visiting escorts could save an otherwise happy relationship.
So, there's no single answer IMO. I'm probably not the best authority btw. I'm single and 28 y.o., never had a serious relationship and very little experience of escorts either!
In any case, I don't think escorts are the real threat. In the scenarios I gave above, the source of the problem is either a man just being stupid/ selfish or the relationship itself
If I was married and I discovered that my husband was seeing Escorts without telling me I would blow my top and split up with them. More than anything it is a matter of trust.
There are relationships where it has been discussed and the lady has agreed to turn a blind eye or even suggested it and in those cases it is not a problem, it is the deception that is often hard to repair when these things are discovered.
If I was married and I discovered that my husband was seeing Escorts without telling me I would blow my top and split up with them. More than anything it is a matter of trust.
There are relationships where it has been discussed and the lady has agreed to turn a blind eye or even suggested it and in those cases it is not a problem, it is the deception that is often hard to repair when these things are discovered.
As if any man would want to cheat on youuuu.....!!!:p
I'm not married but i could rarely imagine a scenario (unless the wife's libido is effectively zero and she generously , rationally encourages the husband ,for his own satisfaction alone, to visit escorts) where a husband would pro-actively bring up the issue in a mature calm discussion with his wife. I've no doubt the vast majority of married men who visit escorts do it behind their wives back, because his ventures would inherently make the wife somehow inferior or incomplete. The husband may not in any way want her to feel inferior but i think she,herself , would feel that sense of hurt. I think it would take remarkable self-awareness and a special ,massively admirable trust in the relationship(barring particuular circumstances) for one partner to actively encourage the other to visit escorts . Having said that , just one word to counter my last paragraph : swingers .
Tangential question : would wives 'least hate' a stray hubby to visit an escort or have an affair ?
Curvaceous Kate
05-03-13, 16:08
As if any man would want to cheat on youuuu.....!!!:p
I'm not married but i could rarely imagine a scenario (unless the wife's libido is effectively zero and she generously , rationally encourages the husband ,for his own satisfaction alone, to visit escorts) where a husband would pro-actively bring up the issue in a mature calm discussion with his wife. I've no doubt the vast majority of married men who visit escorts do it behind their wives back, because his ventures would inherently make the wife somehow inferior or incomplete. The husband may not in any way want her to feel inferior but i think she,herself , would feel that sense of hurt. I think it would take remarkable self-awareness and a special ,massively admirable trust in the relationship(barring particuular circumstances) for one partner to actively encourage the other to visit escorts . Having said that , just one word to counter my last paragraph : swingers .
Tangential question : would wives 'least hate' a stray hubby to visit an escort or have an affair ?
For me it is the trust issue that would stick more than what they are doing. Communication is the most important thing in a relationship and once there are secrets, it's lost.
Yes there are swingers and yes there are women who have agreed to their men seeing Escorts, in preference of an inevitable affair that could break up a family. Not all women are unsympathetic to a man's needs. However, I doubt there are many that would understand the 'variety' thing, unless they were given the same choice themselves and decided upon an 'open relationship'. The point is, in not being honest, you are denying your partner the equal opportunity to see other men and have 'fun' too. Not all women have low libido's and she may well prefer to have more sex within the relationship, but he is too busy seeing his lady friends on EI.
I doubt I'll ever be in a relationship again, so it is a very vague idea of my ideal situation in one, but I imagine being monogamous or at best share the odd MMF 3sum with him (if that is his thing). It would be no good for me to share, as in truth for me to love someone enough to want to be with them, then I wouldn't want anyone else and I would want them to feel the same way. I would however, make a conscious effort to accommodate their needs, even when I'm not really in the mood and that would be because I love them. In the same way, I may ask them to cut the grass when they are not in the mood lol.
I think it is very important to know the person you settle with very well and be sure that you are compatible sexually. So many people don't put enough thought into this and then wonder what went wrong. I know it's not the most important thing, but it is important, as important as being with someone who mentally and emotionally works for you.
I think I'll just stay single :)
Unfortunately the podcast hasn't been uploaded on their site yet and I couldn't find it anywhere else
Just keep an eye out here for when it is
http://classichits.ie/category/podcasts/niallboylan/
The podcast is up there now if anyone missed it
Curvaceous Kate
06-03-13, 18:22
The podcast is up there now if anyone missed it
Make sure you have your tissues with you. It's hard to listen without feeling for Amber and Rose.
Make sure you have your tissues with you. It's hard to listen without feeling for Amber and Rose.
I genuinely misinterpreted that line when I read it first, I thought "Kate, that's disgusting". Then I realised what you meant....:o
Yes, it's horrible. The whole thing has had exactly the effect I feared, on Rose.
Amber made a fair point. Most escorts don't fear pimps or abusive clients, but gardai and reporters.